Although Rangers won their case at the Court of Session today, they have the option not to serve the ruling on the SFA that its Judicial Panel’s 12 month ban on player registration is illegal. Winning the point in law might sound like a victory, but taking the Association to court breaks membership rules of the SFA, rules imposed on all associations by Fifa.
We will find out soon enough the reach of SFA president, Campbell Ogilvie, who was one of the recipients of an EBT which precipitated Rangers crisis.
Rangers are deep in Sion territory now. Either they walk away from this showdown, the SFA expel or suspend them from football, or Fifa will shortly remind the SFA of their duties when a member club takes action in the civil courts.
Campbell Ogilvie was born for this moment; it justifies him holding onto his position all these months despite being “heavily conflicted”, according to his chief executive. I do not expect this to end well.
Despite an independent judicial panel ruling against Rangers, there is no way the office holders at the SFA will expel Rangers, no matter what they do. They would rather jeopardise the Scotland national team and every other club’s European participation.
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Good Morning,
There will be much to come today– even if it does not become public or manifest itself fully until later in the week or next week.
The SFA now find themselves in a very difficult place– with blazers at serious risk– and we can’t have blazers hanging on a shaky peg at any cost!
Meanwhile here is what I said on RTC last night.
Watch the Barca news story develop because we are no longer talking football here… we are into another territory altogether I think……..
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Good Evening,
Sometime in the early hours of the morning towards the end of October 1974, the Author, Broadcaster and Journalist Norman Mailer sat on a couch sweating profusely and feeling dreadful.
The reason for his discomfort was that Mailer was — shall we say— Ill prepared for physical exertion. He had just completed a 3-4k run and his preparation for 3000-4000 metres or so consisted of spending the hours immediately before this run in a casino where he consumed various foods– including a large burger—- washed down with several bourbons, brandies and assorted other beveridges.
You may ask what kind of a man, binges in a casino to the early hours and the goes on a 2-3 mile run at 6am? The answer is simple— It is the sign of a man who is both determined and dedicated……. and ultimately as daft as a brush.
You see the run concerned was through the leafy lanes outside Kinshasa Zaire and his running partner was none other than Mohammed Ali. So Burger and Brandies till the early hours would not stand in his way.
Clearly, Mailer was in no fit shape to accompany the challenger throughout his whole training run, and so after a couple of miles, he made his excuses and left Ali to the remainder of his training regime and simply walked back to Ali’s Villa and parked his behooky on the sofa.
However, he was astonished when Ali returned no more than 15 minutes later, his run apparently complete. For someone who was about to face ” Big Bad George” this was not a good sign. Ali appeared knackered, tired, and just plain unfit. The others in his camp– Angelo Dundee, Bundini Brown and the others seemed depressed and resigned to the fact that the Louisville Lip may well be silenced for good by the reigning champion– who, after all, had despatched Frazier and Norton in devastating fashion in his previous two fights. They seriously thought that George could actually kill him!
There was real and obvious concern and … yes…. fear in the room.
At this juncture Ali more or less dismissed his entourage and spoke to Mailer alone, where he revealed three shocking things to Mailer.
1, He expressed the view that no matter what anyone else said… ” George can’t Punch!”
Mailer told Ali that, with the greatest respect, this was nonsense as Mailer himself had seen Big George hit the heavy bag, and the bag and the man holding it ( former light heavy Champ Archie Moore ) flew into the air.
Ali dismissed the journalist’s concerns by pointing out that before big George unleashed one of his bombs he took an audible breath in, which proved that George couldn’t punch unless he filled his diaphram first. So– first hit him when he breathes in if possible but two– brace yourself because you know the hit is coming.
2. That being the case– despite everyone else’s concerns– Ali was not going to rely in his legs to dance out of the way, but instead he was relying on another set of muscles which were in perfect order to beat George and those muscles were—- his eyes.
His reasoning was that people do not get knocked out because of Pain– but because of shock. It is when you cannot defend yourself and can no longer see the blows coming or where they are coming from that you succumb to unconsciousness involuntarily as a result of shock. So Ali would stand and .. watch… rather than float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.
3. A big guy who is used to getting his way– who bullies and bludgeons his way, and who is used to getting their own way, starts to panic inside when their normal brute force starts to fail in achieving its normal result. It is then that they make mistakes– they react to what is in front of them rather than simply see through their own plan. They are unlikely to have a plan B and so they lose control of proceedings and that is the difference between the BIG fighter and the BIG BRAINED fighter…. and it is the latter who is far more Dangerous because he often has more than the one plan and can adapt. And when Plan A don’t work— no matter how long it takes— the big guy will eventually puff himself out or just plain chuck it– Liston for example.
The rest of course is History as far as Kinshasa goes.
Years later, when I was training, I recall my boss telling me that it is a sure sign of someone being in trouble legally when they cannot see where the next challenge or tackle is coming from, and that always remember Bismarck– never get into too many fights at the one time as you are certain to be blindisded by someone. You will defend one case and in so doing you will leave yourself exposed in another.
Both of those stories came to my mind today.
Today has been a hectic day in the Rangers saga.
First we had the announcement of the CVA with the news that D & P could not put an actual figure on what was being offered to creditors at all. Instead, they could only say that this offfer– whatever it was…. would be far better for the creditors ( whoever they are- because that is not absolutely certain at this juncture )— than the alternative ( whatever that is ).
Further, the money on offer will come from Charles Green (hopefully), the Jelavic balance ( if the football authorities don’t step in ), some cash in the bank, and maybe some dough from the court action against Collier Bristow– if it is successful? None of that sounds good to me.
Further, it appears to me that the matters of Whyte and the BTC are not actually dealt with by this proposal, and that the long term position of Ticketus and the future security of assets under this scheme may well not be to the liking of the Ibrox faithful.
But not to worry, as if all goes wrong D & P do have a plan B and that is liquidation and a sale of assets at an agreed price to Charlie Green. Except that by my reckoning there is every chance that D& P may well not be the Liquidator at the end of the day for a variety of reasons, and that someone else may well just put the assets up for general sale with a view to raising more than £5M for creditors.
Not good for D&P– Not good for Rangers.
Then we have the Court ruling today, which A Tells the SFA what they could and should have done and B sends the case back to them to do it! Further this very decision seems to have got the backs up of other SPL members, Fifa and just about everyone else. It is as if a boxer has had a big swing and hit the target solidly enough– but the opponent hs not gone down and is free to come back with a punch of their own to the head– it just depends whether they come back with a haymaker or a blow that is designed to score a point or two. However, the problem may well be that the ringside judges have decided that the court case is the equivalent of a repeated low blow and that whether the knock out blow comes or not then they are going to disqualify the fighter anyway.
That’s leaving yourself exposed– Not Good for D&P- not good for Rangers.
However, beyond that we have the news revealed by Barca this morning that Graham Souness appears to have received far more than the £30k mentioned by Mark Daly.
Now there is a blindsider.
Now either this payment was a straightforward payment ( if there is such a thing ) through the EBT or it is a payment that has been disguised as a “standard” EBT payment.
If it was truly intended for Souness that is one thing but….. if it was actually intended for someone else, then that is even more curious still.
And where did the money originate from? Is there any suggestion that it was paid to Rangers as part of a commercial transaction? If so– how did it appear in their books and records and how would they explain paying it out to Souness or whoever?
What if– and yes I know I am speculating— the money or a big part of it, was actually going in some sort of circle? In other words whatever the so called “price” was– it was artificially inflated in public for some reason but in private it was all part of another transaction altogether?
Maybe the money went back to where it came from? Maybe it didn’t?
Whatever happened, if the movement of money was not exactly as it was portrayed to be, then somewhere, somehow, the accounts of Rangers PLC will have been wrong and will have concealed either income or liabilities….. or the accounts will have inflated receipts or failed to mention contracted payments.
If this happened more than once then….. well the accounts will have been even more innaccurate.
Of course, people rely on those accounts— bankers, shareholders, prospective shareholders, potential investors… even those who have already invested!
Of course if such a course of action happened once then that is bad enough,…… but if there were a series of transactions, whether they be all at the one club or at a number of clubs involving a number of individuals then that is something altogether different. If that were to turn out to be the case then that would be a blow that would be coming from… well lets say an unexpected angle and of itself would be enough to put you out of the game… possibly permanently.
Take that together with all the other stuff, including the Big Tax case which of itself was enough to score not only a knockdown but a long count, and you have a boxer who is in trouble— not only for this fight but in relation their very future in the game.
Not good for Rangers and anyone involved at Rangers– now or in the past!
However, there may be a solution for our battered and beleagured fighter, and the evidence comes in the shape of Big Bad George after he was floored by Ali having huffed, puffed and blown himself away.
Big Bad George didn’t fight again for a long time after that. In fact– Big Bad George died that night in Kinshasa and we never ever saw him again. Instead, the shell that looked like Big Bad George, sounded like Big Bad George and answered to the same name as Big Bad George, went away and spent time out of the game only to return some years later as Smiley George Foreman— complete with friendly personality and a big smile. He could still fight, could still compete and could even win titles. He could even grill a burger for Mailer.
But he had to go and find himself first, do his time and recognise that being the biggest and the baddest will not always be enough to see you through.
That is not an easy transformation to make…. unless someone else has forced you to think by knocking your lights out for you first.
BRTH
Enjoyed that post immensely. Your contributions on here are second to none. A joy to read
A nation, a government, a governing body, all afraid of a corrupt bigoted football club.
In the 21st century…….
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Kano 1000 on
Magic memories of a thirteeen year old who got to watch the fight with his Dad and Grandad and a perfect analogy for rangers today.
I hope the rope-a-dope is not far away…
Tactics of RFCia are totally transparent:
If we are kicked out of the SFA and thereby the SPL too, then the SFA and SPL have no authority to pry inside the club any further.
We can cover up all the crooked dealings forever.
We dump the debt, either by CVA or the big L, start up anew, no debt, no investigation, we are home free.
Getting kicked out for a brief period is preferable to the uncovering of all unlawful activities RFCia have been carrying out throughout the 100+ years of their existence.
All going to plan….
Morning all
Last night I dreamt that Sammi called me up and invited me out for dinner.
I don’t know what to make of that, but I’m somewhat uneasy about it…
Morning all. Overcast again here in North Ayrshire.
2 things bothered me about last night’s Newsnight programme. Firstly, all the experts seemed to take it as read that both HMRC and Ticketus would have already been in discussion with their administrators. Secondly, the expert felt it wasn’t worth pursuing the selling of the assets. Surely, that ought to be a priority?
the latest from RTC
http://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/a-permanent-embarrassment-and-an-occasional-disgrace/
Pantalonio- lay off the feta for a bit.
Dontbrattbakkinanger on 30 May, 2012 at 08:59 said:
Good advice. Thank you.
Is that really true about wee Kate? Shocking!
Tom McLaughlin on 30 May, 2012 at 07:41 said:
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Not read it yet,but it’s on my ‘wish list’……looking forward to being reacqauinted with the lads!
: )
Yes, wee Kate has been subbed for Michaela Strachan, Gordon’s lassie. Must be the ole cut-backs.
Good morning CQN from an overcast Clydebank
**The day the Rangers died**
Bye, bye Rangers your done
Drove your Hun bus to the court house to have some fun
Them good ole boys were drinking Buckie in Rye
Singing this’ll be the day that I die
This’ll be the day that I die
Keep the Faith
Hail Hail
Have to say, it’s a decent squad if they have wee Michaela on the bench…
Morning everyone.
Last night someone posted this cracking article but after 25 mins it was taken down.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1200816-ranger-fc-a-dying-club-determined-to-take-scottish-
soccer-down-with-it
Well worth a read so i sent an email to the company and this was their response.
Hi *****
The article was only up on our site for about 25 minutes before we had to pull it back for sourcing concerns and contact the writer. If the writer can answer those sourcing concerns, we will be able to restore the article.
Best,
-Tim Coughlin
B/R Copy Editing
Having listened to Graham Speirs and Michael Grant on Radio Shortbread this morning, I become more concerned about the language being applied around the Court rulings.
According to these muppets, the decision to appeal to Lord Glennie will have angered the SFA and they will react emotionally to punish Rangers further. If they don’t FIFA will be angry and will make sure Rangers get a hefty punishment. No indication that sanctions are fair or measured; these things are done because they are angry with Rangers.
As I see it, Lord Glennie has remitted his decision back to Lord Carloway for reconsideration, not to the SFA. My prediction, and I am not a lawyer so would welcome legal views, is that Lord Carloway will tell Lord Glennie that he is wrong and had overlooked the appropriate section in the SFA rulebook.
Is this not the most likely outcome?
Is it sick that D&P will walk away with 5.5 mill leaving less than half that to be divided amongst the many creditors ?
Grand morning in the sunbathe Chilterns,
Could anybody advise on the Trustees of RFFF, from my recollection it included Sandy Jardine, Ally McCoist and Walter Smith.
They paid for RFCia to take the action against the SFA, they must have known this was against the Football regulations yet persisted, shouldn’t SFA be looking to suspend these individuals, certainly with Messers Jardine and McCoist’s behaviour over the piece an unfit and proper charge must be considred.
Leaving the office last evening I was having a chat with some colleagues and we touched on the R@ngers affair and my Charlton Athletic supporting chum said “how come everybody seems to be bending over backwards to help R@ngers?” I didn’t have the time.
I dont know if this has already been posted but I think the European football authorities may find themselves with a real problem if Rangers take them to court over the rule which says member clubs are not allowed to take there association to court..In my opinion FIFA are putting themselves above the law and are not on the firmest ground with this rule.H.H.
They pull out all the stops for Springwatch.
Unlike on the ole Rang##s TV, where they have Damarcus Dingwatch, a completely different bucket of newts.
setting free the bears on 30 May, 2012 at 09:17 said:
I have long since stopped being surprised by the lack of accuracy and intelligence of guys like Spiers and the rest of them.
The language they use is of polarity, good/bad, black/white celtic/rangers, rangers/everybody.
It’s this very irresponsible way of reporting that could lead to the outbreak of violence that everyone is apparently scared of and the very same irresponsible journalist and fire stokers (Ally/ Sardine) will register their outrage and disgust…
This won’t be over till rangers are expelled from the league and the rebuilding of the national game can take place, even then the unenlightened will still be twitching and scheming..
Anybody else spotted the delightful irony in the name of the “sports lawyer” quoted by the BBC as saying FIFA could now ban all clubs Scottish?
He goes by the excellent name of Dr Gregory Ioannidis, the surname (I believe) being pronounced ‘You-need-us’ …
I couldn’t make it up.
FF
I posted this on RTC. I re-post it here with no shame. Yesterday I said “enough is enough”. Nothing has changed. The SFA remains mute.
[RTC is angry. So am I. So is everybody else in Scotland who loves the game of Football.
Everybody….except from the entire rotting body of RFCia…the lot of them are acting like a gang of bad junkies on a crack binge in a notorious crack house.
Already known worldwide as ‘Scotland’s Shame’,they are bringing the reputation of Scotland even further into their corrupt morass.
I am utterly disgusted by them.
And they have The SFA cowed,fearful and overseen by one of their own.
The absolute stench of their corruption has become overwhelming.]
Folly Folly on 30 May, 2012 at 09:29 said:
He’s Sammi’s agent I believe, he’s on Twitter every day, smart cookie and impartial…good value…
Dontbrattbakkinanger on 30 May, 2012 at 09:22 said:
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Ah….you’re a good mhan…you and many others on CQN keep me sane and laughing! HH !
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Back page of Daily Record (Photo/not link to DR web page)
https://twitter.com/Devi1sAdv0cate/status/207626837407444992/photo/1
Nice if true.
I see Traynor decrying the Disciplinary Process.
He does not like transparency. His kind do not.
It must be right then.
The man is a deceiver on a platform.
The process did not fail through error, it failed through leniency.
He decries the people in charge when is a greater enemy to football than the rest put together.
Jim Traynor – The Deceiver.
SPL needs ranjurz….to fix the competition
SPL needs ranjurz….to cheat ordinary fans out of their money
SPL needs ranjurz….to destroy the bogs
SPL needs ranjurz….to rig the transfer market
SPL needs ranjurz….to bring scottish football into disrepute and fet everyone banned from Europe
Only one of the above is untrue.
For God sake how many midfielders has lenny got just now at celtic ,and yet he wants to sign keith andrews another midfield player.oh come on celtic its another striker and a decent centre half we need,also
Sammi’s agent? That bhoy sure has won the ole lottery of life.
Sfb
I’m no lawyer but he could do that and the SFA could say that Rangers, having signed up to the rule, by dint of SFA membership, that football rules and having broken it, cannot expect the SFA to recognise it.
I would however prefer they remove this pollutant and those who think like them, from our game.
BRTH
I thought you had forsaken CQN for the young impostor. I’m sure Paul will be able to meet your agent’s terms to ensure your loan move does not become permanent.
We cannot afford to lose a talent like you.
SFTB
Agree with your conclusion! The reinstatement of the original decision will make it better for all. Agent Green/Duffer brothers were just trying to buy time (I think).
Of the many things that infuriates/amuses me (depending on my mood) about this soap opera (Corrie is more believable) is the unquestioning arrogance of all from the dark side who blithely assume that all debts owing to rankers should be paid in full whilst proposing that their creditors should be paid a maximum of 10% (and almost certainly less) of what they are owed.
If I was in debt to rankers, I’d tell them where to go as, presumably, after they liqudate, if they cannot be pursued for monies they owe, they cannot pusue others for monies due!
HH
Anyone got the number for the Guiness Book Of Records?
Just wondering…
What is the number for the greatest number of organisations anyone has managed to antagonise?
Don’t bother. Just watching the news about Julian Assange.
Not even RFCia could can up with him.
A wee tune for all at SFA Mansions
What to do, what to do, Nancy is lost for words as the house burns down… http://fb.me/1tNJz2kwN
View video
Could catch up with him (oops).
Auld Neil Lennon heid-Traynor and his fellow lapdogs ,must be door stepping Souness re EBT allegations? no?.
timbhoy2
I’m not accusing you of being a hun, it’s just that I find it difficult to believe that someone who persistently and consistently assumes a negative slant on Celtic stories is anything other than a person who doesn’t like Celtic very much.
If you are a Celtic fan, dont be such a miserable git!
If you are not, at least try to make your contributions a little more balanced.
This is a Celtic site or didn’t you know that?