I’m sure there are people all over England wondering why their manager is apologising for anti-IRA chants by England fans last night. Someone likely pointed out to Roy Hodgson that his fans were breaking the law in Scotland by doing so, hundreds, if not thousands, could be criminalised this morning.
Their names and addresses are known to the football authorities, the match was televised and the chanting received widespread media coverage. Police Scotland were all over the ground and had the England fans surrounded.
All this took place in front of the First Minister, whose government decided laws against bigotry and sectarianism left them unable to “equalise” fans of all colours, most of whom never chant bigoted or sectarian words.
Alex Salmond left the stage caring nothing that the police have no interest in applying his law on this occasion. It wasn’t designed to criminalise the English, it was to criminalise Celtic fans. If the Offensive Behaviour Act can be flouted in front of the nation, the police and the First Minister, without censure or action, it is an absurd nonsense. The SNP government has refused to debate a review into the Act, never mind repeal it. They are defending the indefensible.
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Macjay-
You say you deal in facts and indisputable facts at that. However you labelled the people behind the Celtic Living Wage movement as intruders and agitators. That is your opinion, not fact.
Others such as myself regard these people as campaigners, not intruders or agitators.
the glorious balance sheet 08:25 on 20 November, 2014
Macjay
I am aware of some employees at Celtic Park who have attempted to join trade unions.
Celtic plc does not recognise trade unions
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I may be supremely naive but I genuinely didn’t know that the club does not recognise trade unions. I sort of assumed given our history and back-ground, trade union recognition would be a given. However, when I look at the backgrounds of those who sit on the board then I should be that surprised.
My friends in Celtic,
Good Morning.
Reading back. Everything was so good in the old days compared with the present.
Is that so ?
We had plenty of players who embarrassed the hoops and we watched old firm games at Parkhead with the “Rangers end” fully enclosed and the Celtic end with half a roof.
It was mentioned the other day about the disgraceful conditions we had to endure at Hampdump and yet our own custodians treated us the same.
I can vividly remember total overcrowding in the Celtic end as fans squeezed in to try to get some protection from the elements.
Maybe that’s why Kev J remembers the jungle so fondly, he just wanted to stay dry.
HH.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2841516/I-loved-Celtic-chaos-letter-bombs-just-wore-admits-Neil-Lennon-peace-Bolton.html
Neil Lennon interview in Daily Mail
HH
Smarmy:
ingratiating and wheedling in a way that is regarded as insincere or excessive.
That is how you are coming across mate and as usual you evade my question. Too hard? Don’t bother answering I all ready know the answer.
Re: your facts… do you get them all from youtube or do you actually ever read accredited historians?
I am finding it really hard to comprehend where you are coming from and why you are adopting such a repulsive attitude.
Rather than saying something I ‘might’ later regret, I’d be thankful if for a long time to come if you just ignored my posts.
If you feel the need to have the last word, be my guest.
the glorious balance sheet
08:25 on
20 November, 2014
Macjay
I am aware of some employees at Celtic Park who have attempted to join trade unions.
Celtic plc does not recognise trade unions.
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Now.
That`s one hell of an accusation.
Any proof?
kitalba
08:32 on
20 November, 2014
Smarmy:
Kit
I couldn`t care less about how I am coming across.
Celtic matter.
I don`t.
Anti-Irish
Attention seeking.
Smarmy.
And now repulsive.
Still no answer to the question.
Have the employees of Celtic F.C. requested external intervention into their conditions of employment?
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Ignore your posts?
No problem.
Agreed.
As long as we have mutual agreement.
Deal?
macjay1 – I really struggle with your line of thinking. When you talk of it harming Celtic, I take it you mean the projected £500k cost. Somebody on here costed that out to me that level of loss could only occur if we got drawn at home in all the cups and had extended run in them. It’s a best/worst case scenario.
Even if it were the case I’d suggest that there are a fair few supporters that might return thinking that Celtic was starting to get back to something they could believe in. It might not be the 1000 or so it would take to cover the costs but I suspect the hit would be nowhere near as bad as the club are projecting.
I’m sure the squad can lose a £10k/week player.
the glorious balance sheet
08:31 on
20 November, 2014
Macjay-
You say you deal in facts and indisputable facts at that. However you labelled the people behind the Celtic Living Wage movement as intruders and agitators. That is your opinion, not fact.
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“Labelled.”
Agitators? Yes. Happy to defend that description.
Intruders? I think not.Please show me where I used that term?
My friends in Celtic,
I also didn’t know that Celtic plc did not recognise trade unions.
I take it the players are in the PFA.
I do not agree with compulsion to do the right thing, but when Hearts just out of admin and a discredited organisation like RBS are taking the moral high ground then I feel Celtic for face saving reasons if nothing else should agree to pay approximately 180 employees the LW.
HH.
MacJay not hearing a lot of Celtic FC ,s customers and lifeblood giving you much support on this one. If the PLC don’t listen to Celtic supporters they risk more empty seats and lowering the price again. Worth a corporate punt to try and look like the club that many, agreed not all, supporters see as fundamental to the foundations of an inclusive Celtic. Can’t have zillionares eating prawn sandwiches in the gods while being served by Celtic workers on less than the living wage. If they are already treated to this minimum standard then Celtic have nothing to lose. MacJay do you really think anyone on less than a living wage would not want it mate. We are not third World exploiters. Hail Hail
macjay1 for neil lennon
04:44 on 20 November, 2014
Addressed to:
The living wage agitators.
Have the employees of Celtic F.C. requested your intrusion into their conditions of employment?
That`s YES or NO .
Will anyone answer?
Ca` canny.
Further questions will ensue.
I’m very much in favour of paying the living wage, but I accept that there are likely to be a lot of people who don’t rate it as a priority for the club. For instance, the change.org petition started by the Celtic Trust was set up in September and in just about 2 months has ~4,700 signatures. I don’t think that’s a very impressive response given how much noise being created on here and social media. I don’t think it represents an overwhelming desire for Celtic to pay the living wage. Then again, perhaps my sense of proportions is way off.
I want Celtic to become a living wage employer, however I am not a Celtic shareholder…
weeminger
08:46 on
20 November, 2014
Mate.
It`s got nothing to do with pounds or costs.
It has everything to do with the influence which the Celtic Trust wish to have over Celtic.
Seat on the Board etc. etc.
When will the penny drop?
How dare an external organisation interfere in the rights of the workers of any company?
The question.
Have the employees of Celtic F.C. requested external intervention into their conditions of employment?
Still no answer.
Where are all the unionists?
Macjay 0833-
It’s not an accusation, far less one hell of an accusation.
It is the clubs stated position as outlined by chairman Ian Bankier when dealing with questions at last year’s AGM. Mr Bankier said that Celtic did not recognise trade unions for employee bargaining purposes,
The comments were reported in the Scotsman newspaper of 16 November 2013 in their coverage of the AGM. As I am on my phone I cannot link the story but you can find it on the Scotsman website under the headline “Celtic AGM: passion roused by living wage rejection”
So not an accusation on my part, just dealing in those facts so beloved by you.
Not another Unionist debate MacJay.
Macjay
No, I’m not aware of any employee actively seeking (in public anyway) ‘intrusion’ into their employment conditions.
Does that make and others wrong because we attempt to have those employees paid a living wage?
Does it make the thousands who’ve signed the petition in support of a living wage?
Do you think Celtic should sign up to be a LW employer?
Oops there’s the bell.
Macjay-
You ask if any employees of Celtic asked for the intrusion by the living wage “agitators” into their contracts of employment; ergo you are calling them intruders
the glorious balance sheet
See my post at 08:54
macjay1 – explain to me how paying the living wage harms the club, other than in costs. If anything, it brings a feel good factor and shows the club sticking with it’s ethos and showing that it has a strong social conscience.
The wider social point is that the national minimum wage should be at a level where an individual is capable of a decent standard of living. Perhaps some (or all) of those that invest time in encouraging our club to support the living wage are also campaigning on the wider point too.
My friends in Celtic,
Talking about morally bankrupt, the decision of this weeks custodians at Greyskull to sack 10 mega high earners while not touching the poor underpaid, undervalued playing and coaching staff.
Living wage, not even minimum wage now for those unfortunates.
Genuinely my thoughts go out to them, especially at this time of year.
Nice to hear Ian Black couldn’t give a monkeys and will continue undeterred. Is that code for more visits to the bookies. Allegedly.
HH.
macjay1 for neil lennon
Stop trying to bully people it’s just stupid… Sort yourself out before trying to sort others out. That’s the key to addressing BULLYING.
Taurangabhoy
08:53 on
20 November, 2014
MacJay not hearing a lot of Celtic FC ,s customers and lifeblood giving you much support on this one. If the PLC don’t listen to Celtic supporters they risk more empty seats and lowering the price again. Worth a corporate punt to try and look like the club that many, agreed not all, supporters see as fundamental to the foundations of an inclusive Celtic. Can’t have zillionares eating prawn sandwiches in the gods while being served by Celtic workers on less than the living wage. If they are already treated to this minimum standard then Celtic have nothing to lose. MacJay do you really think anyone on less than a living wage would not want it mate. We are not third World exploiters. Hail Hail
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Tauranga
It`s got nothing to do with the rights of working people to earn a living wage.
It`s all about the Celtic Trust and it`s attempts to create an issue and gain benefit from doing so.
Kettling…..Seat on the Board,,,,,,George Sq. demo……Green Brigade…….Bobby Sands demo……Forty two thousand pounds fine…………
Believe me.
After this,they will come up with the next manufactured issue.
Their motivation is power and influence.
Nothing to do with the rights of working people
Working people are simply the pawns in their little game.
How cynical is that?
the glorious balance sheet
08:58 on
20 November, 2014
Macjay 0833-
It’s not an accusation, far less one hell of an accusation.
It is the clubs stated position as outlined by chairman Ian Bankier when dealing with questions at last year’s AGM. Mr Bankier said that Celtic did not recognise trade unions for employee bargaining purposes,
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Thanks,my fellow Tim.
Always happy to get the facts.
Although slightly different from what you stated :
08:58 on
20 November, 2014
Macjay 0833-
” did not recognise trade unions”
for employee bargaining purposes,”
Interesting post on Phil’s Blog
The liquidation game
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We have, of course, been here before.
Mr Bomber exhorted The People to “starve them out” in the summer of 2012.
For a while it looked as if they were obeying, but Super Ally stepped in and saved the day for Charlie and the boys.
The King across the water has launched another salvo.
For The People this must seem like death by press release.
There is no doubt that if his “not a penny more” clarion call is obeyed then there will be an insolvency set at RIFC/TRFC.
And by that I do not mean the nice controlled in out administration that laxey Partners wanted at the start of this year.
By that I mean liquidation.
Although I know of the society which I write about the following is merely speculative on my part.
Let’s us say that because the woodworm of Onerous Contracts and Contingent Liabilities over the main assets and a boycott by the fans heeding Mr King that that Mike Ashley does walking away.
What would happen then?
Third Rangers?
Given that the Holding Company trick worked once I do not see why it cannot work again.
In the aftermath of the Independence Referendum there was a party held in a sumptuous Square Mile watering hole.
A source that attended this soiree told me that also attending this happy unionist event was ex-RIFC Chairman Malcolm Murray and Paul Murray.
As the evening wore on Malky appeared tired and emotional, perhaps overjoyed that the United Kingdom had been saved.
My source was in the room and very close to the first Chairman of Rangers International Football Club as he spoke.
What he said was important enough for me to put the following question into the Scottish Football Association:
Is the Scottish Football Association aware that an ex-chairman of Rangers International Football Club has been making claims in London that “conversations have been had with the ruling bodies in Scotland” apropos the establishment of a new club with cultural connections to the Rangers Football Club (1872-2012)?
Have there indeed been any discussions, formal or informal, between the SFA and any group or individual who wish to establish a new Rangers Football club?
Moreover are you aware that this ex-RIFC chairman has stated that this new entity would be allowed to play at the national stadium?
Can you confirm or deny this matter?
In fairness the SFA press officer was clearly astounded by my interrogative.
However my source was in the room and very close proximity to Malky as he held court.
Therefore I was happy that these words had been said, although perhaps uttered in jest at the end of a long day.
I left it at that as the SFA chap said he would go away and check.
For the avoidance of doubt I have always found the SFA Press Office to be polite,prompt and helpful and that goes back to the days of the ‘Dallas email’ story
However then there was the entirely coincidental event of Mr Donald Findlay QC going public on his views on the validity of Sevco.
He made it quite clear that the current “entity” was no the Rangers that he had been associated with.
Given that Mr Findlay is a QC then the English Language is a precision instrument for him.
I believe that he chose his words with great care and for maximum impact.
Let us speculate.
In the unlikely case of insolvency event at Ibrox this season and there is no way to achieve a CVA then liquidation is the only route.
Could there be another vehicle to harbour and nourish ‘Rangersness’?
A ‘Third Rangers’ would require the people who administer the national game to transfer the membership of the liquidated Sevco to the new Holding Club.
This has happened once so the precedent has been set.
If there was a squabble over the ownership of the stadium then, of course, NewNewCo could play at Hampden for a year.
Of course this is exactly what Mr Malcolm Murray stated to those who would listen to him at this Square Mile piss up.
Perhaps the ex-RIFC Chairman was only indulging in some jovial theorising.
However I have yet to receive a formal denial from the Scottish Football Association.
I submitted my questions on October 6th.
In the meantime it seems clear that RIFC Chairman David Somers called it correctly when David Cunningham King turned up in April without a pen.
He is playing the Liquidation Game.
That way he gets the stadium and, of course, the world famous Albion Car park.
With those two assets and an understanding administrative body he gets to pretend at being Rangers.
In reality it is the only play that makes sense.
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joe mccormack
November 19, 2014 at 11:55 am
One of the TSFM guys has just republished the Gers IPO prospectus…makes interesting reading as ever with the benefit of hindsight.
What sticks out immediately is that of whatever monies were generated, £5.5m would be used to upgrade the stadium and £4.5m to purchase ‘adjacent’ land.
As far as I’m aware neither of these prospectus aims were met.
Is there not a law against issuing a prospectus outlining to potential investors exactly how their money was going to be spent then using said monies presumably to fund the shortfall between income and expenditure?
Although I’d imagine that any Fund Manager, that had ‘invested’ his clients money in a get rich quick scheme, would be keeping a very low profile after having his erse skelped by Charles of Normandy.
Oh goody, macjay is back to his best, arguing about the colour of his own shite.
Tomorrow I’ll be at the AGM. The living wage will be discussed as part of the meeting. If it is properly discussed and goes to a vote, I’ll be voting for Celtic to pay their employees the living wage and I couldn’t give a shit about the “damage” it does to my club.
Macjay, you keep fingering your own shite and telling yourself it’s chocolate.
The question.
Have the employees of Celtic F.C. requested external intervention into their conditions of employment?
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O.K.
Time for me to bale out.
One issue only.
Let Celtic flourish.
Pretty cynical MacJay, but your opinion is as valid as the next. Celtic PLC can choose to do the right thing without losing any corporate cat and mouse game with the Trust. Anyway connecting with different parts of your support be it the GB or CT can’t be a bad thing mate. We are an inclusive club. Hail Hail.
Sorry , meant to copy this only…..not the whole article
joe mccormack
November 19, 2014 at 11:55 am
One of the TSFM guys has just republished the Gers IPO prospectus…makes interesting reading as ever with the benefit of hindsight.
What sticks out immediately is that of whatever monies were generated, £5.5m would be used to upgrade the stadium and £4.5m to purchase ‘adjacent’ land.
As far as I’m aware neither of these prospectus aims were met.
Is there not a law against issuing a prospectus outlining to potential investors exactly how their money was going to be spent then using said monies presumably to fund the shortfall between income and expenditure?
Although I’d imagine that any Fund Manager, that had ‘invested’ his clients money in a get rich quick scheme, would be keeping a very low profile after having his erse skelped by Charles of Normandy.
A Ceiler Gonof Rust
09:15 on
20 November, 2014
Yeah,pal.
Vote CelticTrust first.
Celtic F.C……also ran.
Flattery will get you nowhere.
Freud would love your analogies.
macjay1 for neil lennon
Did you not see my post at 08:54 , where you accused people involved in the living wage campaign of intrusion ?
You claimed you never said it ?????
Taurangabhoy
09:17 on
20 November, 2014
Pretty cynical MacJay, but your opinion is as valid as the next. Celtic PLC can choose to do the right thing without losing any corporate cat and mouse game with the Trust. Anyway connecting with different parts of your support be it the GB or CT can’t be a bad thing mate. We are an inclusive club. Hail Hail.
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Celtic are everything.
The ” CelticTrust ” are nothing.
The ( tiny minority) tail attempting to wag the dog.
Macjay, sometimes I enjoy your posts, but you have a great way of making a complete dick of yourself and you’ve managed it with some style today.
10/10 for agitation and attention seeking.
Freud? He was a dick anaw.
HH aussie boy
Mac Jay.
Our noisy mocking bird.
Where shall you perch for this weekend’s Celtic match.
What’s that dippy ? You won’t be there.
awe shame.
macjay1
No CFC employees have approached me to seek my support for them receiving the living wage at an annual cost to the club of circa 3 weeks of Wayne Rooney’s wages.
Nor have any children in Africa contacted me ref donations to help buy them mosquito nets.
Similarly no factory workers in the Far East have asked me not to shop at primark until they properly pay said workers.
And my grandparents didn’t actively petition beveridge in pursuit of the creation of an nhs.
Point 1. Too many in society who need to be heard have the least say in their affairs.
Point 2. We shouldn’t need to be asked or petitioned or nagged to do the right thing.
Aff oot.
HH jamesgang
FourGreenFields
09:23 on
20 November, 2014
macjay1 for neil lennon
Did you not see my post at 08:54 , where you accused people involved in the living wage campaign of intrusion ?Subtle
You claimed you never said it ????
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Thanks for that.
I said intrusion not intruders.
Semantically you`re right.
Wee victory to you.
Happy?
Any risk anyone will answer the question?
macjay1 for Neil Lennon 09:20
Yeah,pal. Vote Celtic Trust first.
………………………………………………
You are an unbelievably arrogant one.
Do you think the thousands that have signed the living wage petition over the past months give a toss for your one man crusade and exhibitionism from 12’000 miles away?
I’m happy that some people still have the Celtic ethos at their heart and am proud I can stand beside them. I’ve no idea what you represent but it’s nothing like Celtic.
Have you cast your vote?
jamesgang
Excellent post .