Results in preseason friendlies are (fortunately) notoriously unreliable indicators of results in competitive games, but Celtic will be alarmed at the scale of the deficit against Greuther Fuerth, from the German second tier, especially after reversals against Sevastopol and Cluj. Clubs from Ukraine, Romania and Germany are apparently organised, even during the summer months.
Next week’s game against Cliftonville is Celtic’s first test, but they will come thick and fast from now on.
Losing a friendly 6-2 brought an unwelcome feeling. Then I wondered how it would have felt to lose a competitive game by the same score to a major rival. Ouch. Made me feel a little better.
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macjay1 for Neil Lennon
03:09 on
11 July, 2013
NatKnow – “We welcome the paper-chase…”
02:49 on
11 July, 2013
I take it Australia is awake and advancing fairly…?
AND rejoicing.
Who wouldn`t rejoice when you`re young and free?
Young AND free? I won;t ask if you’re single mate! :-)
Fortunes Favour Mibbes
03:08 on
11 July, 2013
proudbhoy
100% correct.
The transfer fee was agreed well before the player’s terms. Simple as that. Vic was going whether he wanted to or not.
Victor was offered an improved contract (after 12 months) at Celtic that would have put him on a par with the highest paid at the club. He refused because his agent told him that EPL clubs were interested and would pay him double that. Therefore Victor rejected the offer. Celtic are not in a position to up the offer and so VW is free to go. I’m certain VW’s agent was telling him he’d be going to Barcelona or Chelsea on a bumper contract. But guess what…? His agent is a tool. His best offer is Southampton. And they offered Celtic £12.5 M. Celtic chose to accept this since there is no other offer on the table. Fine. We ned that money to build our team. Personally, I’m happy. And I expect this to be the business model for the future – as it is with many other clubs in Europe who do not have Sky and/or a sugar daddy from Russia or the middle east.
macjay
Young and free in Australia??
You forgot what “free” means? Or is just a comparison exercise to growing up in the UK? :))
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NatKnow,
I take the GB at their word. The proof is out there and very disturbing. That the rozzers have no easier target goes without saying. The Celtic Board haven’t addressed their role in this properly. It needs proper attention. That they fail to do so lumps in into the same category as the way they’re “dealing” with the SFA. It’s nonsense.
If they were genuinely representing the support, the harassment of these young boys would have been stopped a long time ago. I’d consider the idea they are doing so incognito if it wasn’t for the fact that the GB, more than once, have complained about collusion. Horrible state of affairs, and it needs addressed.
NatKnow @ 03:19
I get your point, but you should also bear in mind that the negotiating stance Celtic can take doesn’t stop at the player’s wages – it’s a big part of the negotiations. They were always fully aware of the potential transfer fee. Like I said, I’m not overly concerned about the transfer of VW, just wish some would see that it’s not necessarily his own decision.
Also, a wee bit of support for Efe, who will shine sooner if the moaning minnies give him a chance. Kayal too.
Is it possible folk are directing their anger at losses in pre-season games towards players, when they shouldn’t?
Doh ! Have I killed the conversation again?? :((
Well, as these occasions continually give me the opporchancity for final say after say after say after say….
This fine Calvinist fella would be arrested at Celtic Park if heard voicing his opinion in 2013.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61etFdGpXq8
Fortunes Favour Mibbes
03:29 on
11 July, 2013
macjay
Young and free in Australia??
You forgot what “free” means? Or is just a comparison exercise to growing up in the UK? :))
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NatKnow,
I take the GB at their word. The proof is out there and very disturbing. That the rozzers have no easier target goes without saying. The Celtic Board haven’t addressed their role in this properly. It needs proper attention. That they fail to do so lumps in into the same category as the way they’re “dealing” with the SFA. It’s nonsense.
If they were genuinely representing the support, the harassment of these young boys would have been stopped a long time ago. I’d consider the idea they are doing so incognito if it wasn’t for the fact that the GB, more than once, have complained about collusion. Horrible state of affairs, and it needs addressed.
It’s apparent that the police have made a conscious political decision to target the GB. Why? Like you and many others I am at a loss to understand. When it happens outside of Celtic Park, it is purely a police matter in my opinion. Their tactics at the Gallowgate a few months ago were, in my opinion, despicable and any reasonable person will view that incident with suspicion. As far as I know there are a number of complaints being pursued.
I would have thought that anything that happens within Celtic Park is solely the responsibility of Celtic plc. It’s private property and they have a care of duty for any event but, as far as I am aware, the club pay only a proportion of the cost of policing for a match – not 100%. This suggests to me that the police have certain powers that the Plc cannot trump. The treatment of fans occupying the section that was given over to the GB has been at best over-zealous and at worst illegal harassment. I’m not sure how much say the club actually has in how matches are policed. I think someone has to take this to court for a resolution by initiating proceeding against the police. For me, where the Plc is currently failing is in issuing a clear statement of their position. They have stated that any incident reported would be fully dealt with in a professional manner. As a minimum I would expect Celtic Plc to keep an audit train of all incidents reported and their outcomes and for this to be fully published on their website.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtIj07nTU5Y
Fortunes Favour Mibbes
03:47 on
11 July, 2013
Doh ! Have I killed the conversation again?? :((
You’ve not killed the conversation mate! It just takes a bit of time to reply to some of the issues under discussion which are not necessarily simple and straightforward.
Fortunes Favour Mibbes
03:34 on
11 July, 2013
NatKnow @ 03:19
I get your point, but you should also bear in mind that the negotiating stance Celtic can take doesn’t stop at the player’s wages – it’s a big part of the negotiations. They were always fully aware of the potential transfer fee. Like I said, I’m not overly concerned about the transfer of VW, just wish some would see that it’s not necessarily his own decision.
Also, a wee bit of support for Efe, who will shine sooner if the moaning minnies give him a chance. Kayal too.
Is it possible folk are directing their anger at losses in pre-season games towards players, when they shouldn’t?
Fair point mate – I’m sure player’s wages are a part of the calculation being made. At a simple level, Celtic already know that they cannot compete with any EPL team on wages.The selling point of playing for Celtic is the chance to play in Europe. Why is this an attraction? Well, for you and me it would be the chance to play on the best platform. But for many young players it’s a shop window. They see Celtic as a stepping stone and always will unless Celtic somehow replace Barcelona, Real Madrid or one of the other big continental clubs at the top of the pile. We’re some way off that.
As I mentioned earlier, the surprise for many is that a bigger club has not come in for VW.
Has he definitely signed for Southampton?
NatKnow
The statements from the PLC on this issue have been revealing in themselves.
It’s pretty clear imo they want the GB gone.
That’s the issue. I’d rather have the board we have if they had the ability to recognise the value of Celtic and the political stance of the support. But they’ve lost that themselves, and don’t see the value in it. This means, ultimately, they could kill off everything that is valuable about our support within the next generation.
By political, I mean, the value of people, charity, and equality. The idea that we aren’t just a football club – we never were just that. Our supporters should have the right to express anti-war sentiment if they wish.
Football supporters by and large are good at self-policing. There’s no argument that I’ve heard here re a right wing support group. They’d be told were to go. And they know where they’d be welcome.
Well, in saying that, if we continue down this road, in 20 years, we could well be hosting a right wing group of nutters with the surrounding support too scared to self-police.
We’re being led down a bad bad road. Like I said, a major issue for me. We’re walking blindfolded into it while we’re distracted by the circus across the river. An entertaining circus indeed – but one we should watch closely and learn lessons from, not let it be a distraction.
NatKnow @ 04:01
Not just has he actually signed for Southampton? But did he want to – was it his preferred choice? We don’t know.
Imagine that he wanted to spend his life here, but realised through negotiations, that he was being “asset-managed”, and the Club made it clear using the negotiations that he would serve the Club better by moving on at huge profit…
(Good chat by the way :)) You should stick to the moon-howling shift :))
Fortunes Favour Mibbes
04:02 on
11 July, 2013
NatKnow
The statements from the PLC on this issue have been revealing in themselves.
It’s pretty clear imo they want the GB gone.
That’s the issue. I’d rather have the board we have if they had the ability to recognise the value of Celtic and the political stance of the support. But they’ve lost that themselves, and don’t see the value in it. This means, ultimately, they could kill off everything that is valuable about our support within the next generation.
By political, I mean, the value of people, charity, and equality. The idea that we aren’t just a football club – we never were just that. Our supporters should have the right to express anti-war sentiment if they wish.
Football supporters by and large are good at self-policing. There’s no argument that I’ve heard here re a right wing support group. They’d be told were to go. And they know where they’d be welcome.
Well, in saying that, if we continue down this road, in 20 years, we could well be hosting a right wing group of nutters with the surrounding support too scared to self-police.
We’re being led down a bad bad road. Like I said, a major issue for me. We’re walking blindfolded into it while we’re distracted by the circus across the river. An entertaining circus indeed – but one we should watch closely and learn lessons from, not let it be a distraction.
I get you’re frustration mate. As I said earlier – it’s all a far cry from the days of standing in the Jungle. Let me address the point you’ve made. If the Plc wanted the GB gone, why would they have given them a section of their own in the first place? And why would they allow them to arrange a Tifo before a big game? The relationship between the Plc and the GB is ambivalent in my view. I think the Plc love the colour the GB give to the club (look at the Barcelona game and how the Plc used it afterwards) but they are terrified by some of the political statements because they have no control. It’s a classic dichotomy between club and company (Plc). They either have to embrace the GB or kill it. I want them to embrace it. But only while the GB reflect my own political beliefs! :-)
Fortunes Favour Mibbes
04:08 on
11 July, 2013
NatKnow @ 04:01
Not just has he actually signed for Southampton? But did he want to – was it his preferred choice? We don’t know.
Imagine that he wanted to spend his life here, but realised through negotiations, that he was being “asset-managed”, and the Club made it clear using the negotiations that he would serve the Club better by moving on at huge profit…
(Good chat by the way :)) You should stick to the moon-howling shift :))
I think his agent has more to do with turning his head than the club. That said, the club know that every player has his price and that virtually no player remains at a club all his life these days. So the best interests of the club are served by getting the best value out of a player. That doesn’t necessarily mean selling him on a the first opportunity though. I would prefer to keepVic for a while longer.
BTW – I’m only managing the nightshift because I’m on holiday in Florida with my daughter. It’s 23:15 here and she’s in bed. She’s 6, but I was proud when we were at Disney’s Magic Kingdom the other day and she spotted a guy in full Celtic kit and started singing at full voice “Celtic, Celtic, that’s the team for me!”.
Mickey & Mini CSC!
NatKnow,
“The relationship between the Plc and the GB is ambivalent in my view. I think the Plc love the colour the GB give to the club (look at the Barcelona game and how the Plc used it afterwards) but they are terrified by some of the political statements because they have no control. It’s a classic dichotomy between club and company (Plc). They either have to embrace the GB or kill it. I want them to embrace it. But only while the GB reflect my own political beliefs! :-) ”
Well said amigo. Great points. And I agree with the very last one :))
But as we know, we will always have the same general beliefs – it is these that are under threat, and that the establishment are threatened by. We need the Board to forget their ambivalence and protect this integral part of the Celtic Support, not allow it to be harassed and intimidated (illegally imo).
But I think we agree overall anyway ! Good to chat about it :))
Now for other matters….I hope you’re going to be at the next hootenannay in September where I’ll let you buy me a pint :))
Margaret McGill –
This is for you.
Oh, and, er don’t lets forget about these diddies…
(with a nod in the direction Steven Craven, who stood up to them and was frozen out in a way that shows just how small-minded the organization in charge of Scottish football is).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt-LQW25kOI
Fortunes Favour Mibbes
04:23 on
11 July, 2013
But as we know, we will always have the same general beliefs – it is these that are under threat, and that the establishment are threatened by. We need the Board to forget their ambivalence and protect this integral part of the Celtic Support, not allow it to be harassed and intimidated (illegally imo).
But I think we agree overall anyway ! Good to chat about it :))
Now for other matters….I hope you’re going to be at the next hootenannay in September where I’ll let you buy me a pint :))
Absolutely agree – my view is that the management of the club are simply custodians of a culture and that should be one of their highest priorities. I think the game has changed enormously because of money – even in Scotland. But I’m confident the culture of our club will survive. We are resilient in a way other clubs are not.
Hootenanny – let me know the details. I’ve never made it along to any kind of CQN event much to my annoyance. I love the fact that there are so many opinions – it;s the lifeblood of our community. I’d love to meet up with other CQNers at some point.
NatKnow,
Will do – you will be a welcome addition imo ! Was great craic last time.
BBC1 now: Trumpfinger vs Alecsh Shalmond & hish Praetorian Guard. Scottish employment figures at rishk if Blowfeld doesn’t get his way with the gold golf complex. Rozzer security included free of charge courtesy of the taxpaying victims. Where did it all go wrong??
Fortunes Favour Mibbes
04:37 on
11 July, 2013
NatKnow,
Will do – you will be a welcome addition imo ! Was great craic last time.
BBC1 now: Trumpfinger vs Alecsh Shalmond & hish Praetorian Guard. Scottish employment figures at rishk if Blowfeld doesn’t get his way with the gold golf complex. Rozzer security included free of charge courtesy of the taxpaying victims. Where did it all go wrong??
Haha! Scottish politics – there’s a lotta whisky to pass under the bridge over the next few months. I’m off to bed – got 2 days of water parks left to do before the end of our holiday. return to Glasgow Saturday. Boo!!
NatKnow
Enjoy the rest of your break amigo :)) There’s a good chance the weather will return to it’s miserable regularity in time for your return :)
There’s also a chance any orange marches will be forced to take place on the Trump Highway with the rozzer security making sure they restrict their collateral damage to public property thus keeping the golf courses clear.
New rozzer uniforms for SPFL season 2013-14 = orange Blowfeld boiler suits with Trump wig-helmets :))
Good Night shift lads -morning for me in oz..always miss most the chit chat cause time difference.
Busy morning so couldnt get involved much.
Celtic celtic thats the team for me
Brillant
Keep the faith ✊
I’m laughing at the “Hull end their interest in Hooper” headlines this morning.
Methinks you’ll find that Hooper’s agent told Hull thanks but no thanks as Hooper wants a club further south.
When swallows swoop in the early morning sun, skimming the surface of the kidney shaped swimming pool, are they hoping to capture a few insects flitting the water’s edge or have they just got a drouth like rest of us from drinking too much last night?
Good morning from a Sun Drenched already warm Chilterns…
Interesting debate on scouting and selling target.
It seems to me that the strategy ses to be working ok as…
Ki, Wamyama and possibaly Hooper
Apologies for the half post..
Enjoy the day and KTF…
Crystal palace favorites for peter odemwingie from WBA.. Type of clever player we need.
Judging by his desperate attempt to join QPR thou last season money could be his key motivation sadly.
Talk aswel of benteke going to spurs for 20m. Could see lambert look to hooper as a replacement.
Top of the morning to you all from a still, grey, warm Fife.
I wonder why there was no provision for rugby to be covered in the OBFM legislation.
Driving a car into a marquee at a rugby tournament is offensive isn’t it?
http://scottishlaw.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/son-of-solicitor-general-lesley-thomson.html
Listening to the 1930-40 in the brilliant Celtic History podcast series on HailHail media.
Talking about the traditional Celtic way of playing with style and entertaining attacking football, wonder what those Celts from back then would think of the current set up where Charlie Mulgrew is the main play maker and we start games with seven defensive players.
Morning,all.
Just nipped onto the blog to say….
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE BOULD BHOYS AND HIS BETTER HALF ON THE BIRTH OF THEIR SON!!!!!!!
Hanging around till the eve of the twelfth,sounds like my kinda guy…..
ESTADIO NACIONAL
Mikael Lustig told everyone just the other day how great a striker he is.
Maybe Neil believed him!
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS 07:01
Maybe thats why we might be looking at other full backs, a full back to replace him on the wing and Lustig up front, get closer to the managers dream of a team of defenders ;)
EN
A wee puzzle I was sent today.
At a certain SNP convention which numbered one hundred politicians. Each politician was either crooked or honest. We are given the following two facts:
1. At least one of the politicians was honest.
2. Given any two of the politicians present, at least one of the two was crooked.
Can you determined from these two facts how many of the politicians were honest and how many were crooked?
No one knew where he came from or how he got here but they remember the shock of seeing him shamble down the lane between the behemoths of the village, beach front properties, towards the sea. Head bowed and dishevelled he appeared half dead and broken, had he arrived to meet his end? The slight limp accentuated the appearance of this bag of bones, wrapped in a shabby black and white coat but it was his eyes. They were soulful, pleading, yet utterly demanding. At first glimpse no one could have predicted that here,in this wretched cur,was the being that was to bind together the various parties of the tiny Greek village.
Frango was first to respond. Well he saw himself as the true Godfather of the village. He was head of an ancient Lerian family and ran a successful waterfront taverna and rented basic apartments. He led his extended family with a firm hand and had gained the respect of the island’s people. A visit to Frangos was always enjoyable and respectful, if never spectacular, except for when local fishermen landed their catch at the small pier, Frango had strategically built by his beach front gate. From my apartment balcony I could watch as Michaelis or Speros or Dmitri tethered the vessel and wander down to chat with them as they gutted and cleaned their fish. If Frango bought the fish then the venue for the evening meal was sorted.
Frango poured the poor dog some water, straight into a small indent in the concrete. A soft, rumbling sound emitted from the whelp, and so he was named, Morguuss. As the animal lapped the welcome drink his fretful gaze never left his benefactor, this pup had been driven here in desperation such was his fear of our inhumanity. Some stale crusts followed and so the seeds of the work of Modguuss were sown. For it it he that united the disassociated elements of the village of Vromolithos.
Two other things about Frango that are important. He was independently wealthy, comparatively, to other villagers and took his role as a leader of both his family and of the community very seriously. He did not however enjoy it and yearned to be free of it. For generations the Kastis family had fulfilled the role but Frango no longer wanted that burden. Secondly, he had an unhealthy resentment of his beach front neighbour across the lane, Tony, whom he tolerated rather than befriended. Morguuss would change all this.
Tony, Antony Antonov, second generation Greek of Russian extract had inherited his property from his father Nikos. No one knows the exact nature of how Nikos Antonov came upon this property in post WW2 Leros but it is a stunning location. One which the very business minded Tony quickly capitalised on by building a series of beach front apartments, from where I currently type. Obviously the nature of the initial procurement of the land irked Frango, but much more , much, much more, the single traffic bearing road through the village, the main artery for all provision was named after Nikos Antonov and the beach, the very beach that fronted Frango’s taverna became known as Tony’s beach.
Tony was a hard headed business man but when confronted by the disturbing condition of the new village inhabitant, Morguuss, one look into his eyes, and Tony pledged to underwrite all veterinary incurred in order to get Morguuss back healthy and happy.
Morguuss, for his part, never favoured one or the other, no man could claim him,as he sauntered the lane dividing his two benefactors, gaining sustenance from both in equal measure and making both men garner a healthy respect for each other.
Morning,
Jelly & Ice cream. Second helpings anyone?
In an open letter published last night Murray
reveals the state the club was in last year and
warns about the mysterious individuals left in
the boardroom
“During the dark days of last summer I put a
six-figure sum into the club to literally stop
the lights going out at Ibrox at a time when
we were in real danger,” Murray recalled.
“My family have given things up to help save
Rangers in this difficult year. There aren’t
many wives who would let their husband pay
someone else’s significant electricity bill.
“You and I want a squeaky-clean club run by
men of the highest integrity and global
commercial ability and the highest level of
transparency.
“The reason we went down the flotation route
was to guarantee transparency, whereas
ownership by mysterious individuals does not.
“Events of the last year have seen behaviour
that would make the late, great Bill Struth
spin in his grave.
“The loss of two men (Phil and myself) with
such lengthy financial public company
experience and a quality broker will
undoubtedly raise questions amongst our
institutional shareholders.
“Only time will tell how they will react. These
investors and you are our future and you must
be listened to and given transparency.
“We cannot go back to the depths of the last
two years, we need to hold course. Corporate
transparency is the norm and we should
embrace it rather than change course when
difficult questions are asked.”
a stor mo chroi
No idea but I bet every one of them blamed Catholic Schools…
After reading this piece below I had to conclude that Sydney “Tim” actually runs Southampton F.C!!!!!!!!!!!
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As well as that, it will nudge Saints’ spending for the summer over the £20m mark, after the signing of defender Dejan Lovren from Lyon in a deal worth up to £8.6m, and their total since winning promotion back to the Premier League beyond £50m.
And that stunning figure could rise to around the £70m mark if Saints somehow managed to bring in Brazilian striker Leandro Damião, who is on their radar this summer.
Last season, Saints spent approximately £35m in transfer fees, with Ramírez topping the list at £12m.
The available funds are not likely to run out after Wanyama, either.
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PLEASE CELTIC – LET SYDNEY “TIM” AND HIS LIKE MINDED RUN THE CLUB
NatKnow – “We welcome the paper-chase…”
If I’m not mistaken, the police do ‘not’ need Celtic’s permission to police inside Celtic Park on match-day andCeltic must pay; and again I’m pretty sure that Celtic do pay ‘fixed hourly rates’ for all police officers deployed on the ‘stadium footprint’ which does extend beyond the wall of the ground itself.