Results in preseason friendlies are (fortunately) notoriously unreliable indicators of results in competitive games, but Celtic will be alarmed at the scale of the deficit against Greuther Fuerth, from the German second tier, especially after reversals against Sevastopol and Cluj. Clubs from Ukraine, Romania and Germany are apparently organised, even during the summer months.
Next week’s game against Cliftonville is Celtic’s first test, but they will come thick and fast from now on.
Losing a friendly 6-2 brought an unwelcome feeling. Then I wondered how it would have felt to lose a competitive game by the same score to a major rival. Ouch. Made me feel a little better.
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Gordybhoy64
Agree with that but if we are to progress their must be a step up from unknown players totally to adding a bit of quality from time to time and generally quality players cost a bit more.
What really is the point of making substantial profits if we continually speculate on young unknowns ?
Eventually it will catch up with us and we will start not qualifying for CL group stages and we won’t then have the option to invest.
In no way am I advocating speculating to accumulate but surely 2-3 quality players in the £3-4 m bracket is not beyond us.
I am not convinced that will happen though .
I know that any signing is a gamble be it £50k or £5m but you’ve more chance of success with the £5m guy surely ( unless your name is shoite!)
ElDiego bhoy
I like PL.Think he is the best CEO in Britain,but I thought your post was just a tad sychophantic.Well a lot more than a tad actually.”Go and complain to him face to face”!!!!!.Get a grip.
We need a playmaker.We will not improve the quality of our play until we get one in.Wether Lenny thinks this option a bit of a luxury,who knows,but talk of Kayal taking Vics place should give us a hint.Efe is a very good footballer,and very athletic.His only problem is,he cannot jump.A bit of a pre-requisite for a CH,you would think,but something our management team seemed to miss before sticking the boy in at CH.
Bring on the Cliftonville.
Hi Twists
cant make Hamilton as you may have gathered by now
Some day though
Heading to Leopardstown tomorrow night,sun hot,beer cold,winners ?
Twisty/pf.
Im out im afraid.
Mrs bt going away Friday then back late Saturday. .
Not gained thecourage to phone oldtim yet.
Maybe some of you might be able to clear up a few things about Vic’s departure.
If Vic is worth £15M or £20M and Peter Lawwell is supposedly a money (pocketing) grabbing crook (allegedly).
Then how come he is going for £12.5M at the very start of the transfer window to a non-CL team when it would obviously be to PL’s benefit to sell him at a later date.
Or is PL not really the sharp suited man after all.
Or maybe he isn’t the shyster that some posters make him out to be.
Did Vic have a release clause
Does anybody have any genuine info
Sorry that should read not drank the courage to phone oldtim yet.
It’s good to be back, ‘night Gentlemen.
Turkeybhoy
Efe cant jump…. but he can do amazing somersaults ;)
BT
That’s a shame.
Stars
Have a great time…and a profitable one.
Burghbhoy,
yeah I agree decent investment in the team is needed, but most people seemed to be happy with our signings so far until our pre season results anyway, there’s no telling how these players will do until the serious stuff starts, I will be happy to reserve judgement until then, and until the transfer window shuts and our squad is complete
Celticbhoy
Thanks. I remember the crushing disappointments but it makes the great victories all the sweeter. For every AC Milan, there’s a Red Star Belgrade. And who would have dared to even think in 1994 that we would be enjoying such a spectacle at Sevco?
WITS,
Will you be posting any fancies/info that you have for tomorroe night
Would you buy a house riddled wae asbestos??
canamalar1 22:25
No argument about being cheated re: past CL income (in Scotland) – the template for payment is set by UEFA – as to how/ why it was administered by the SFA should be subject of an investigation (in a court if I had my way).
The O.F. (never utter the words) was used in the context of Sky TV income. Pre-Premiership it was a marketable product – hence reflected share price value then.
Regrettably the late 90’s launch of the EPL (because we were not and were never likely to be part of) – almost wiped share value overnight.
I often use F1 analogies to compare where CFC are today (post 1967) – Ferrari are an icon (continuous) – Braun (re-invention of Mercedes) – Red Bull/ McLaren (marketing reinventions). Lotus/ Caterham are iconic but lack investment (share value) – can’t compete with the big boys – hence the disparity.
We compete (nobody can argue we are not iconic) – but in reality we are regularly at the rear of the grid when compared to teams that enjoy major investment (TV income).
Hence our current share price.
I like your line of questioning – I hope it merits more than a shuffling of papers at the AGM or a ‘pregnant pause’ in proceedings!
H!H!
SWanyama’s Replacement?
Hmmmmmmm..
Let’s See… Noo Who wid be a Capable Replacement.. ??
Ah said Capable… No VIABLE..
Big Difference.
It is A Must,of Course…. that is Should Me A Guy who is already oan the Staff.
We hiv plenty of Candidates ,already oan the Staff..
why should we go oot ..and Buy .. fur Money.. anither Ready Made ?
A smart Business Man. always .. uses up his Ootstanding Inventory..afore he
takes the Serious Step of Spending One Brown Penny oan Anither Addition tae his
already SWOLLEN INVENTORY.
and Celtic.. right Noo. .hiz An Inventory of Mid-Fielders… that is Absolutely..
TURGID…( If ye dinnae know whit Turgid Means.. look it up.. Ye wull be Surprised… fur the First time in CQN history.. ye wulll see that the word..Turgid …has Bin Used .. as an Adjective. in the PROPER Manner.. according tae it’s Dictionary Definition …in English as She is Writ!)
Efe?
Ah am Sure Positive, that Efe,wiz Bought wit The Idea in Mind.. that He wid do.. not as the perfect replacement fur Wanyama.. but.. certainly as a Guy who must be considered tae be in the Running… should.. Wanyama Go.
This Talk aboot.. Kayal as being the Next Guy in Line fur Wanyama’ s old Joab..
must be just a Paper dream..frum some..well.. News Paper Man. ( Although, didn’t oor Manager, say something tae the effect that Kayal wiz..a strong Candidate for Wanyama’s Replacement???)
Mr. Lennon has that failing.. He talks Too Much tae the Newsies.
Sure, A Manager Should talk tae the Newsies.. But.. NO TOO MUCH….unless,
Neil is playing it cool.. and Telling ’em whit They wanna Know.. while..
Keeping whit. He Knows , tae Himself.
Could Be,jist That….. So we will No be too hard oan Neil.. THIS TIME!
Kayal , could Shock… Me, Lou.. collie..and even .. Mabel!.. by turning oot tae be
just the Guy that we are Lookng fur..and one who wull Make everybuddy furget.. Wanyama..
So.. Ah am No gonna Lampoon the Guy.. This Time..
Although, Ah feel that Ah should!
Nevertheless.. Ah am Compelled tae say that…
We must be Christian Aboot it.. and .. show a Little Faith in Mr. Kayal.
Anyway.. Afore we run oot tae Mark’s And Spencers.. Odd Lot Bargain basement.. or.. go the ither Way.. and rush oot tae Tiffany’s High fashion Boutique..in order tae order One Wanyama Replacement..
We should at least try tae find wan. in oor Extensive . and TURGID .. Inventory of
Celtic Mid- Fielders.
to Continue…
Young Mattews.. wid Not be a Bad Suggestion..
And Unexpected Wan, from Me.. No Doot. but, Soitenly No A Bad Yin.
Although ,Adam is No classed as A Mid-Fielder.
In Ma Opinion..
The Lad is So Versatile and Clever at whit he diz.. that
It would Behoove Neil… tae Consider Him.. fur the Joab.
How aboot.. Young Fisher?
Noo A bad suggestion Ether.. He Has the Physique of a Warrior, And He soitenly kin Tackle..and He kin also. Attack doon the Wing with a Loatta Success..
So ye see folk. We are well supplied with Possibles.. in oor Search fur the Nest
Wanyama..
And We should Thoroughly Exhaust all of Those Home Grown Possibles..
before we decide tae venture forth into the Gambling Casino.. that is… The Soccer Transfer Market.. fur. Like all Gambling Houses. The Fitba’ Transfer Market..
Kin be a sure way tae turn a Large Fortune.. Intae a Small Wan!
Because… a Wanyama “Ready Made.. Good Tae Go” Replacement, in That Market.
WIDNAE COME CHEAPLY.
Kojo
Still Laughin’
Gordybhoy64
I will reserve judgement on the 2 signings we’ve made until I see them in the flesh.
Have real concerns about our progress if we are effectively a feeder club for low ranking EPL clubs.
TBH the Vic move to Southampton really really bugs me that our best players can be enticed to crappy wee teams like that .
I don’t just fear for us but I fear for the whole game if our players can be enticed away to these no mark clubs
Just a bit annoyed with this coz we are the club of European champions, 9 in a row and a fan base of millions of Jock Stein, Caesar, Jinky and Henrik.
Who the hell are Southampton ?
So VW leaves just after i bought myself a Golf gti
Ragin
Burghbhoy, I am afraid that as soon as we received an acceptable offer for Vic he was for the offski, whether it was Southampton or anyone else made no difference to us, while the EPL is bankrolled by sky and rich owners they will be abke to plck the best players from wherever they like, money talks and few players these days seem interested in winning things at the expense of big bucks
Shame victors off to a small club like Southampton, but £12.5m is a bid we couldn’t refuse.
I’m sure he’ll move on to a top 6 club within 2 years
Best of luck Big Vic!
cowiebhoy
Sheryl and anne were in the club sunday with the wee bhoy,but he is no wee!!!
couldn’t belive the size of him.
your post re jr etc tou are100% right imo.
Burghbhoy, i think you have some good points there. My concern is that we never pressed home our advantage and signed Fletcher & McCarthy which we could have had for £3.75m maybe less. This led to 3 seasons where we played second fiddle and have seen both players head south. I hope that was the pain we had to endure to get to this point, with big vic going for a record fee then it would be interesting to see the figures since NFL took over in terms of incoming & outgoings (some of you guys are better at the figures & knowing what was spent). We have continuously been told that we will reinvest transfer fees and wages back into the team. With vic, mcgeady & ki all sold for a reputed £12.5m, £6m, £11.5m (McGeady so was quoted) that’s £30m for starters. We have had 2011/12 Europa Group (not sure but 5 home games £8m revenue estimated) & CL last 16 (worth £31m). Before we add season tickets, merchandising, advertising, sponsorship, TV etc.
By my reckoning if Hooper goes for £6m then we will have doubled our turnover for season 2012/13 which is phenomenal for any business. So i think that we have scope to push the boat out to get a player/s that excite the fans. We have done well to get to where we are but we need to push on and i don’t want complacency from the board in trousering the cash and showing a lack of ambition.
We need to be prudent, however dwindling season book holders (hopefully up on last year) we need to be putting an attractive team on the pitch. We shouldn’t be penny pinching with Hooper if we need him to stay, if Vic has gone to Southampton then hopefully we were in the position where we could have kept him, i don’t know. I am glad to have watched big vic but hope he has no regrets when he looks at his pay packet.
B83
Watch out sumdae dizzny nick ur VW badge.
praecepta
22:57 on
10 July, 2013
canamalar1 22:25
I thought this an interesting contribution to the debate from a KDS poster.
Missed the start of this thread but I am in the camp that Lawwell and the board should make it clear to the Celtic shareholders (not necessarily in a public forum) that they took an active decision not to go after the SFA. If they did indeed take that decision. I would hope that they did, and I would also hope that they have made the SFA aware that they were within their rights to go after them but for the good of Scottish Football they had decided not to. Nothing wrong in that.
There is also absolutely nothing wrong with making sure that Lawwell and co have not been complicit and have been acting in the interests of the club. Not sure why anyone would want to just ignore it and let things go. I’ve not been Lawwell’s biggest fan over the last 3-4 years but I do believe that he always tries to act in the best interests of the club. He may well do but we shouldn’t just accept that because he thinks he does, that he actually does.
Ways and means – http://www.traverssmith.com/media/599524/shareholder_activism_in_the_uk.pdf
EDIT to add – This is f*** all to do with dead clubs and the SFA – It is about the governance of our club.
gherrybhoy57
22:20 on 10 July, 2013
My thoughts exactly …… I was through it all, and PL is one of the best men ever to grace our Boardroom… Unless you take into consideration the parallel universe…hehe
qi.
ronnie ancona,
aye.
tou=you
Just got round to watching the Rod Stewart documentary from last night.
The guy is a PR godsend to Celtic. Not as high profile as Andy Cameron of course. ;0)
hh
gherrybhoy57
22:55 on 10 July, 2013CelticbhoyThanks. I remember the crushing disappointments but it makes the great victories all the sweeter.
People used to asked me why l would watch Rangers on tv win trophies…because it made it all thse sweeter when we won was my stock answer. So l agree again with you.
Never in my wildest dreams did l conceive of what has happened to the huns. It delights me every day, not least in that l know how much it hurts them.
Always good to be a Celtic fan …these days it just got so much better. Enjoy!
auldheid
23:27 on 10 July, 2013
I have always felt the Board took a strategic decision notnto go after the SFA……I also feel they have taken a strategic decision to get us to hell out of this corrupt Football environment ….and I fully agreed / agree with that strategy…..
celticbhoy
23:29 on 10 July, 2013
ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON ….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Burghbhoy –
Not getting your consternation. Would you have been happier if Liverpool had paid us £12.5M for VW?
M Express
Have you heard the jaffa getting hoaxed abt Cameron on Real Radio? Very very funny but lots of blue lingo.
g69
21:24 on
10 July, 2013
A change of topic ,,,,so Scottish Police Officers are to go to Belfast on the 12th to help out in the security of the OO bigot parades……….talk about a busman’s holiday!!!!!!
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with a new black and tan uniform.
Making s Complaint tae the Boys at Leatherby Drive…
Is the Equivalent tae….
“Pushing Oan a String”.
And jist as Frustrating.
The Celtic Board is Composed of A Few Just Men.. who Are well Aware of that
Hoary, but, Appropriate Simile.
In ither Woids..
Why Knock Yersel oot, Folks?
Look… We wull wan day leave this Blighted Land of Rabbie Burns and Heilan
Scab and Hunger.
Celtic Board are Playing it smart..
Don’t Interrupt yer Freens when they ur Daeing the Right Thing..
Just made that Up.. Like it?
Well.. AH DAE!
Kojo
Still.. Laughin’
Whats the odds the royals have a boy on the 12th and called it billy?
Gotta Go oan the Lam.. Sam
Seeya
Kojo
Still.. Laughin’
Gerrybhoy 57
true..EVERY team suffers crushing disappointments but some have a multitude of happy memories which far outweigh the bad ones
We are one of those clubs.
To have watched Lisbon on the telly and 45 years later witness the death of a corrupt cheating rival, are as much as any fan can ask for.
hh
Why are we so sanguine about Vic’s departure?
Why is Neil Lennon so sanguine about it?
Have we been so conditioned to being the poor cousins of even the lowliest of EPL clubs that we gratefully accept their 12.5 million offer?
South bloody Hampton.
A team with how many season ticket holders? 25k max?
A team who will struggle to stay in the EPL.
Sure he will get to park the bus against Arsenal, Chelsea and the Manchester teams. Bit he will also have to face the likes of Newcastle, Sunderland, Hull and Stoke in a desperate scramble for draws to stave off relegation.
Will he get to play on the biggest stage of all?
Not only unlikely, well nigh impossible.
Will he get to play at home in front of 50 to 60k crowds?
No chance unless there are moonbeams in the offing.
IMHO we have sold Victor far too cheaply and he has acted like a magpie after the shiny shilling. (For the younger readers that is 5P)
He would have been better served to improve his football for a couple of years pitting his skills against the likes of Messi, Xavi and Lee McCulloch.
Then he could have made the the 20 million pound move to Barca, Real, Bayern or Juventus.
The boy has sold himself short and our board are guilty of selling him short.