I was asked a cracking question last night: ‘Everyone knows Rangers went into administration on 14 February 2012, but do you know what date they came out of administration?’
Can anyone guess? This is the material Cognitive Dissonance is made of.
Duff and Phelps did an incredible job. Had they stuck to Whyte’s plan, put a fait accompli to the SPL, with a matter of days to decide, ‘Our Hero’ would still own the ground, the club and would still be exalted by those who initially crowned him ‘Our Hero’, before the term became a weapon of irony.
We got a further glimpse into the goings-on at Cardiff before popular and successful manager, Malky Mackay, was sacked. Chief exec, Simon Lim, while commenting on the £30m loss the club made last season, as a Championship club, spoke of the signing of 20-year-old striker Andreas Cornelius for £7.5m, from Copenhagen, with a £45k per week, 5 year contract, somewhat more than the £6k he was previously coping with in Denmark.
Earlier this month Malky said, “What I said at the time still stands. £7.5m was our record transfer at the time but a hit-the-ground-running centre-forward in the Premier League costs two or three times that and every team in the Premier League are striving for someone like that.”
There you have it, £7.5m is not enough to buy a hit-the-ground-running centre-forward, you’ll need two or three times that! In England, reality really is a different country (this is not me getting involved in the referendum debate, before the nationalists start trolling me again).
English football is broken in ways it is increasingly difficult to fathom. Only the persistent annual losses and ballooning debt figures offer a glimpse into what the future may hold.
Our namesakes, Belfast Celtic, withdrew from league football shortly after their players were attacked by a mob following the final whistle at game against Linfield on Boxing Day 1948. Star man, Jimmy Jones, died yesterday. The then 20-year-old was thrown over a wall and out of the stadium, breaking his leg in the process.
That was the end for Belfast Celtic but Jimmy recovered and is the Irish League’s all-time top goalscorer.
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KevJungle
12:34 on
14 February, 2014
And we all know what planet you are on yah zoomer.
You went too far this morning……nae getting away from it. You have been completely out of order – as is your MO.
@KevJungle
If only we had his 1 in 4 goal to ratio
Shame the board had to go and sign a striker who is 1 in 2 (everywhere he has been) in January
Would posters please stop denigrating the amazing Johnny Russell. He is my lovechild after all.
TD 67,
Another illusion shattered.
Here was me thinking,… well, he may be a fractious auld curmudgeon,.. but at least he’s no’ a Podium Chaser.
Aw dear !
tonydonnelly67
12:15 on
14 February, 2014
Thank you for the well dones, and I have to be honest, I didn’t read Paul’s post first. I feel like a Sevconion now :(
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Better get your name on that list of your Tony! ;-))))
KILBOWIE KELT
“Fractious auld carmudgeons”?
Well,at least you got the initials correct….
Apologies if already posted, Tom Hanks Supports Celtic, must be difficult for these stars to come out as Celtic fans when we are in such a mess………;-)
http://www.scotsman.com/what-s-on/film/tom-hanks-is-a-celtic-fan-says-actor-s-friend-1-3306325
The Huns never came out of administration. they liquidated!
MWD
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martim1980
12:36 on 14 February, 2014
GlassTwoThirdsFull @12:32
described as a Business Incubator in the press…wasn’t it? Normal practice move along…
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Yes Siree and look what it produced.
See link below for Scotland’s youngest club and it’s team bus. A bus that cannae get to Arbroath in a onner without a sleepover cos it’s sooooo far away….
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PUKMUZ4tlJg
Steinreignedsupreme
12:34 on 14 February, 2014
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I still hope for a new Jungle – ah would go back to see the hoops then.
I canny afford a SB and, the way it’s going the now….it won’t be long until ye buy yer SB and, get 5 SB’s free.
The Celtic support have ‘always’ been taken for mugs – no matter who the directors were.
That’s why I want the ‘bored’ – PLC ‘bored’ – awe the ‘boreds’ – sacked and, the club to be restructured and, taken over by Celtic fans.
When I say the club restructured I mean, something along the following lines….
1. Wage capping
2. Standing room re-introduced to be aligned with reduction in admission prices
3. Numbers on the shorts again
4. No ‘black’ away strip. Celtic colors should be green & white or, white & green.
5. Focus mainly on buying Scottish players and give the money to the teams whose fans voted for the huns to be put oot the league.
6. Get the TV Deal were – any ‘live’ are on a Friday or Saturday night – no Sunday football.
Ye get ma drift…..
Hail Hail
funny as :
http://youtu.be/0HhA2OQaLt8
Martim1980 12:26
A lot of sense in your post. My way of looking at it is that if we can’t afford a quality (eg £6m range) striker because the wages would be too high, why can’t we offer a lower wage but give the player a cut (say 15%) of a future transfer fee?
If he goes for £12m like Victor, that’s £1.8m (or around the equivalent of £17k over two years). It also gives them an incentive not to let their contract run down and leave for nothing.
Think we need to give you the podium every time TD.
Def the happiest I’ve ever seen you, ya glory hunting, goal hingin’, straight-talking, Hun Inquisitor in Chief that you are!!!! :-)
I’ve sent a Happy Administration Day card to the Brazen for you.
HH jamesgang
kilbowie kelt will vote yes
12:40 on 14 February, 2014
TD 67,
Another illusion shattered.
Here was me thinking,… well, he may be a fractious auld curmudgeon,.. but at least he’s no’ a Podium Chaser.
Aw dear !
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It was the devil in me, I had a youthful wee moment, makes a change from the auld every day senior ones I have all the time, ooooops! Must run to the toilet.
timaloy29
12:38 on 14 February, 2014
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So, why did they no get the 1 in 2 ghuy last season for half a £mill instead of waitng till the price doubled ?
Oh, a forgot – the ‘bored’ don’t need tae worry aboot they things, afterall, it isny ‘their’ money ‘their’ wasting – is it ?
bognorbhoy oscar in my thoughts/ support the dam 5/we are all neil lennon
Laughing my head off watching that. Brilliant. !!
Auldheid
11:26 on 14 February, 2014
Big Nan
The healthy bank balance suggests that in spite of falling crowds the club is in safe hands and unlikely to go under.
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Auldheid, you make this glib response to my examples of businesses doing things that don’t make sense and lose money as a result. The point I tried to make was that directors of companies don’t knowingly act in a way that loses their company money – sometimes their existence – they do so thinking, wrongly, that they are doing the right thing.
Brian Wilson no doubt thought that his company could run at a profit level that would allow them to spend £40 million to reinstate the Fife countryside. He was wrong so maybe the club isn’t in as good hands as you say.
You are a great one for analogies Auldheid, so let me put it to you by way of this analogy.
Now Gerald Ratner is a British businessman. He was formerly a very successful CEO of the top British jewellery company Ratners Group (just as PL is a successful CEO of the top Scottish football club Celtic FC). Ratner ruined his reputation as a wise businessman after making a speech in which he jokingly denigrated the company’s products. This joke almost caused the company’s collapse, and coined a new phrase in the lexicon of business jargon, “The “Ratner effect”.
In his disastrous speech Ratner called his company’s jewellery “total crap”.
At a time when we should be basking in the vindication of our long held beliefs that the Scottish game was bent in favour of Rangers, and reaping the benefits of their demise we are under attack from the politicians, the media, the police and the football authorities (the same cast who helped Rangers cheat us out of numerous titles).
And if that was not bad enough The Celtic board seem to have found this the time to have their Ratner moment by joining in with our corrupt enemies (or by their silence acquiescing with them) and targeting large swathes of the Celtic support at every opportunity.
I was surprised at your response to points I made last night when you simply dismissed them without answer by saying “who pissed on his chips” so will keep up the vein by saying that as I see it, the Celtic board are pissing on their support.
Why? Why did Gerald Ratner say what he said? Hubris? Who knows.
@Kev
I think most of the things you are after are things all Celtic fans would like (apart from giving money to the likes of Hearts)
But operating in a business world you don’t get what you want all the time. You get the best TV deal that you can get, you have to accept the rules passed down on jerseys by the governing bodies etc
Don’t forget that the board reduced books last year and there hasn’t been an increase in attendances really. Would they really be prepared to do it again?
It’s not always the cost. People are happy to pay for it but not go.
bobby murdoch’s curled-up winklepickers ………fc not plc
12:42 on 14 February, 2014
KILBOWIE KELT
“Fractious auld carmudgeons”?
Well,at least you got the initials correct….
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I saw what you did there ;)
celtfish
12:54 on
14 February, 2014
bognorbhoy oscar in my thoughts/ support the dam 5/we are all neil lennon
Laughing my head off watching that. Brilliant. !!
it is class, supporters helping out the team !
There is little doubt NFL has many of the qualities needed to be a popular Celtic manager, however he is consistently proving that he is lacking, perhaps the most important ingredient for success with the supporter base, and that is to play the Celtic way with flair and a confidence that
puts bums on seats. His team selections are so lacking in inventiveness and experimetation that fans are switched off. Fans are attracted to games to watch the “magic” of individuals or the excitement of future potential and he has shown no ability to harness either. Celtic have had the best reserve/youth team for as long as i can remember yet so so few advance or even given opportunity to advance in the first eleven. Commons is the only current player that you would actually pay to watch. Paddy McCourt should have become a legend at Celtic but i think Lennon was too scared to really give him a go. If Commons gets injured, then what? Pukki, give me a break. This conservative approach, particularly knowing that he can well afford to experiment, is absolutely driving the support away. Football is all about entertainment and the sooner Celtic/Lennon realise that then the sooner fans will return. Celtic must win but they desperately need to entertain at the same time otherwise we will end up with crowds of 18,000.
Sorry Kev I didn’t realise you were Leigh Griffith’s agent.
You know 100% that Wolves would have been willing to accept a bid half the price?
Next you will be going on about how we could have got Finnbogason in a swap deal for Bangura.
Maybe it was Neil Lennon and the scouts who thought Pukki was a better player?
Er, hello… This is my first time on CQN… My name is Hugh Dempsey and I am young Kevin’s staff nurse. Please forgive Kevin’s disgraceful comments about Martin O’Neill’s wife. Kev has been here for a number of years now… Ever since a bad man with a bunnet took away his toy Wim; young Kevin has been having urges to “murdo” somebody. Obviously we cannot risk the public’s safety due to these urges. I assure you that the real Kevin is a lovely man but ask you to refrain from being offended by his more ‘ecstatic’ mutterings.
Well I certainly dont see MON as the blessed Martin he came to celtic the biggest club he had ever managed and had our biggest ever spend on players.He built a good team and both the team and MON got European exposure.He left due to his wifes illness but in my opinion would have left anyway down to Celtic down sizing the interesting part for me is that was up to now the pinnacle of his management career he has in my opinion done very little in management since he left us.A great manager NO a good manager probably in his younger days, now no big club offers are likely to come his way so good luck to him and Roy Keen they are going to need it. H.H.
bognorbhoy
That was very funny and just the kind of lateral movement we need.
Only joking Kev!
timaloy29
12:55 on 14 February, 2014
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The ‘bored’ took the £100 off the price of the SB – cos all the empty seats appeared the season before.
Don’t be kidded by this – charitable gesture p#sh.
I think that the ‘bored’ should have told the fans that they would be voting for the huns to be kept in the SPL with a points deduction as long as they pay the ‘entire’ £140 million back – so much per season and, ye know what…the hus would have been ‘everybodies’ whipping boys for what 10 / 15 years and,we would have been able to skelp the bassas 4 times at least, per season.
As it is…the, apparently ‘died’ huns will be back in the same league as us, shortly having dodged away from the £140 million !!!
Whose the mugs again ?
hus = huns
typo
sorry
lvibhoy,
I realised from earlier posts that you aren’t in that age category… just trying to lighting things up a bit.HH
John O’Neil
13:02 on 14 February, 2014
Only joking Kev!
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See ya :)
Off oot take care laters….
Joe Fillipi,
Martin O’Neill had some sort of spiritual effect on the English media. Did he have something on them? They treated him like Yoda at times. The result was that many of us were encouraged to think that Martin was a managerial guru.
He was just what we needed after years of uselessness but he was not adverse to making some serious errors. Giving Paul Lambert a lot of time and money to do a coaching course was bonkers. Those misers at Celtic Park gave thousands to Paul.
Paul67:
“The then 20-year-old was thrown over a wall and out of the stadium, breaking his leg in the process.”
Should that not read that he was pushed over the wall into the terracing where one of his many attackers, jumping on his leg, broke it?
Thanks to Bada bing for that Billy Nowell video. Hilarious. First time that I have seen and heard one of his tracks. Hee hee.
So….whens this sevco administration/liquidation happening.
Ive been waiting patiently, and from what ive read from various posters, its more jelly and ice cream.
Im sitting waiting with my spoon and bowl, so where is it?
Oh yeah, and what about this rumoured great news for Celtic fans.
Well, lets hear it then.
HH
GlassTwoThirdsFull
12:52 on
14 February, 2014
I thought about this myself, I began wondering whether players of all levels already have this in their contract. I wondered whether we already use this to attract even mediocre players when there is competition for a player. It could mean disruptive agents when everything is rosey wanting a payday which would be horrible pr. I suppose you could counter with a loyalty bonus for signing a new contract, which might not disrupt the base wage structure and come from a “transfer” pot. Or we could just be doing everything on a strict budget planning to make maximum profit. Bearing in mind Victor is a one off and going by the league he was in, the wage he was on (as Paul 67 has detailed), you would never reward such an amount. Important we sign “team” players too. We were spoiled with Henke being so loyal and no player would have argued with his pay. Everyone knew he could get double elsewhere.
My honest belief is that Lawell is hoarding the cash surplus to cover the lower expected attendances over the next few years and hoping his “player trades” can spin a profit.
How he expects to add value to these players if theres a fair to middling chance they don’t get the CL platform the formula needs to suceed escapes me.
I think next season will see the stadium with well under 25K season books and with only the lower tiers plus South Stand in operation.
This is an unmitigated PR and financial disaster for CFC and the buck stops directly with Lawell and the board. Do they genuinely believe they can have 10-15K attendance in the stadium and turn a profit by “player trading”?.
What planet are they on?
Before Fergus it was questionable financial behaviour by the old board.
Today it is perfectly legal financial behaviour by the PLC.
Basic economic lesson here……..if you half the price of something you need to double your volume of sales just to stand still. See what I just did there?
Everyone inside except the paying supporter takes money out of the coffers.
We are having the piss ripped out of us, yet again, only this time legally.
Its going to get a lot worse before it gets better………..
john o’neil
13:02 on 14 February, 2014
Only joking Kev!
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No you weren’t lol