Stewart Regan is today telling the media that only one club wants a review of what happened at Rangers during recent SFA president Campbell Ogilvie’s tenure as a director of the club. I think we can amend that slightly to read: only one LEAGUE of 42 professional clubs want a review of what happened.
It is utterly disingenuous for the SFA chief executive to portray the SPFL’s request for a review as a one-club issue. Regan is seeking protection in the amateur clubs’ numbers, ALL OF WHOM receive patronage from the SFA, against the wishes of the country’s only professional league.
You will remember how Sepp Blatter used the power of patronage with tiny Fifa nations to secure his grip on due process. Fifa money was spent and magnificent stadiums built where football scarcely had a foothold at the whim of Blatter, who enjoyed unquestioning support from micro-nations’ Associations.
When a chief executive uses the numbers in the amateur game, to outweigh the wishes of the 42 club professional league, for a review into what took place while a recent past president was a director at an errant club, you have all the ingredients for an abuse of patronage.
Stewart, all we’re asking for is a review, don’t pretend the country’s only professional league structure doesn’t exist.
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CQN went behind the scenes with BT Sport at Hamilton on Friday evening and this is all covered in the new CQN Podcast which is out today and includes an interview with Chris Sutton…
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TET
I hear what you’re saying.
Back then it took months of strategy – bluff/ counter bluff and (if truth be told) a fortuitous roll of the dice.
Bear in mind that crowds then were down to less than 15K and any boycott that ate into that total would look significant. Today we’re dealing with 60K – info (influence) is no longer via SMSM and/or discussion at; rallies, on Supporter’s buses or Association Meetings – it’s all over the Internet (with differing views).
If it were down to me – I would take some radical decisions on away ticket sales/ distribution at Board Level.
e.g. Take the 8K for Ipox – sell half for the top tier and leave the bottom empty. Pay the hun for the unsold tickets (this time) – circa £200K is neither here or there to us but it would send out a message to the other Boards in the SPFL.
We could easily demonstrate how we handle tickets – offer us 4K we take 2K and pay you – you sort out how you then have to dispose of the balance and whether there will be a full uptake by the Celtic Support.
No repercussions for us. Outwith the hun – what away support at CP takes more than 2K tickets? Time to flex the financial muscle!
GREENPINATA on 11TH SEPTEMBER 2017 8:54 PM
James Forrest / Timbhoy1
To the best of my knowledge you’re the first poster who actually attends away games. Is your opinion to carry on regardless prevalent amongst the majority of away supporters. ?
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GREENPINATA – I think yours is a sensible and balanced approach to the question of Boycotts.
I don’t appreciate people who will not have to give anything up themselves pontificating about what those who got to away games must do on their behalf.
For me personally, I am very conflicted about this. I was about during the Matt McGlone / Celts for Change era – ended up still going to the Kilmarnock game to support the team, but could equally have been outside protesting. For most of us inside it was ‘Back the Team – Sack Board’ – not saying we were right, wrong, better or worse Celtic fans than anyone else – just pointing out that is not straightforward.
I think, if there were to be a Boycott this time, we have to be focused and organised. The idea of a specific televised game with a small home support – say Kilmarnock – is a good one, and I think would be one that could gain majority support from the travelling fans.
The biggest problem is, I suggest, that there is no focused and vocal equivalent to Celts for Change right now – every individual has a voice through social media but there is no single banner-waver around whom the fans could coalesce.
Paradoxically, the MSM actually helped the Celts for Change movement by giving their view plenty airtime/coverage – only because they were revelling in Celtic’s downward spiral.
A Wee straw poll in chez BGFC – I just told Wee BGFC that there was a lot of talk about Boycotting away games on CQN tonight.
I was really taken aback at his answer – he said “Yas – that’s great !”
“What ?!?!” says I – astonished.
He says “Well Da – that would give us a better chance of getting tickets !”
HH
BGFC
Sleep well Timland.
Have the quilt on the bed tonight, was a wee bit cold last night without it.
HH
KTF
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Praecapta
Me thinks you have hit the nail on the head………
“If it were down to me – I would take some radical decisions on away ticket sales/ distribution at Board Level.”
This would send shivers up scottish football, they would surrender without a whimper.
HH
Back The Bhoycott. Stand Up For Celtic.
Ralston to start tomorrow night according to tomorrow’s sun
Wish the Green Brigade would show an interest with banner protests…………..maybe waken up the many thousands who are ambivalent to it all.
I’ve only read the last two pages and that was only because I saw reference to a boycott of away games.
Honestly folks take yourself off of Celtic blogs and actually speak to those who pay each week to go to the away games.
Dear Lord it’s really really pathetic folks
HT
Maybe you should have a quick word with your Good Lady?
I’m sure she would happily fill you in on how boycotts and demonstrations (that she took part in) helped put the Club in the strong position where it finds itself today!
Praecepta
I also took part in those demonstrations/meetings/boycotts long before we met.
They were different times under different circumstances.
That doesn’t mean that a boycott now would be unnecessary or inappropriate, however, it should be those who are active participants who ultimately make the decision.
Hamiltontim,
i know you attend all the away games and have a much better grasp
on what the support think than the majority on here,
why would the support not boycott at least one game,
do they not care about being totally shafted by Regan and his cohorts
Those that are giving up there season tickets,fine there will be plenty of Celtic Supports wanting one, following Celtic is what matters, everything else is second best,let the Celtic Board deal with The S F A
HAMILTONTIM on 11TH SEPTEMBER 2017 11:07 PM
Yes.
It really is speculation about something that just won`t happen apart perhaps from some individuals .
A few years back I suggested that a more publicity focussed process would be to travel to the game , but not enter the ground . Congregate outside . Perhaps watch on television. Leave after the game.
No prior publicity.
HT
Nobody is suggesting otherwise.
Discussion has been about supporting the Club (and by default the Board). Posters are merely chewing over actions that could/might lance the boil that’s the SFA!
HAMILTONTIM on 11TH SEPTEMBER 2017 11:07 PM
Thinking about it, the concept of delayed gratification is probably something of an alien concept to most of the away support (that’s an observation, not a criticism), so anyone hoping for a boycott by them is most likely onto plums.
HAMILTONTIM on 11TH SEPTEMBER 2017 11:07 PM
I’ve only read the last two pages and that was only because I saw reference to a boycott of away games.
Honestly folks take yourself off of Celtic blogs and actually speak to those who pay each week to go to the away games.
Dear Lord it’s really really pathetic folks
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Personally i don’t support the idea of a boycott at this stage, but i fully understand why people wouldn’t want to give their money to other Clubs and to the SFA/SPFL. Celtic supporters across the spectrum are looking at ways to affect change. I don’t think it’s pathetic.
Do you have an opinion on how Celtic should or shouldn’t progress from here?
Gordybhoy
Personally, I would support a boycott of an away game if I thought it would make a real difference.
The reality is that if that decision is to be made it should be done by those who attend away games.
Perhaps we might start by demonstrating that Celtic fans have no appetite for the famous “Killie Pie”……….
Shouldn’t take long and needn’t be forever…………..
ForTheCommonGood CSC
Hamiltontim,
i agree completely that those who go should make the decision,
i read your first post and took from it that those
attending away games would not wish to boycott games,
apologies for picking you up wrong
HT
A suggestion I made earlier.
A meeting could/should be called by Fan associations, CT, GB etc. and independent travelling fans invited to discuss the merits of any possible bhoycott, maybe facilitated by the club.
It’s not down to us to decide what the away support do. But it would be a good way to go to measure if thee was any willingness to organise.
MWD
We just had a ballot for Hamilton, one for Dundee in the cup and one for Ibrox. Last season we had all the tickets needed, admittedly with a bit of ducking and diving by Giggsy.
There are guys missing out from even getting into the ballot now.
Boycotting is a no-go because it simply wouldn’t work.
Six late call offs due to a sickness bug or something for the SFA double header next month would be a great get it up ye to Regan, but would be unfair on the players.
Celtic could just do the simple thing and take them to court for lost revenue re the European licence in 2011. A £30m writ would make Regan sit himself (!)
Several responses.
I certainly don’t have a definitive reply lads.
What I’ll say is that many of those I speak to at away games have nothing but utter disdain and contempt for those who post on blogs, such as Cqn, or don’t go to away games, but deride those who go home and away.
I have no answer folks but I do know that under present circumstances any boycott would be absolutely futile. The fact is that on the park things are going well so ultimately nobody cares all that much.
Welcome to oor world :-)
“I read a book once,
I didn’t like it……….”
Perhaps those who decry those who advocate boycotting all SFA events and their quisling clubs could suggest an alternative. So far we tried everything else include the club letting the SFA have it with both barrels.
The response so far from our enemies is to laugh in our faces and continue their cheating. They do so because they are banking that our campaign will run of steam and the green pound cash cow will continue to be milked dry on an ongoing basis.
I say to those who regularly go to away games and thus have the biggest sacrifice to make that it is their duty to support an organised boycott for the greater good of establishing sporting integrity in the professional game in Scotland. If you can’t do that then the unpalatable truth is you are aiding and abetting our enemies. There’s sadly no other way of describing it.
BANKIEBHOY1 on 11TH SEPTEMBER 2017 11:44 PM
“I read a book once,
I didn’t like it……….”
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Maybe you can explain what that means.
I’ve met you and know that you’re a Celtic supporter.
Personally, I read this continuing drivel from you and log off. Honestly, it’s sneaky and Hun like.
Grow a pair and post your own feelings.
Night all and God Bless.
The simple facts about boycotting are :-
1) It takes time and organisation to get even minimal agreement and coordination amongst organised fan groups. Calling for it on a football blog of disparate individuals is a near useless exercise,
2) Choosing Ibrox as a boycott venue is risky because, any unsold Celtic tickets will be quickly snapped up by Sevco supporters and no financial harm will come. It would only be an exaple of gesture politics and a fairly ineffective one.
3) We need to show some support and consideration to the away support if we are asking them, and them only, to be the only fans who give something up. They have every right to ask the rest of us – “And what are you going to give up?”
4) I believe it IS possible for the CSA and Green Brigade to consider a one -off match boycott but it would have to be a match that is some way off, probably 6 to 8 weeks away and it would only ever be partially successful as many fans would still go, even some who consider that some action needs to be taken.
If we are to persuade such a co-ordinated partial boycott, the CSA would have to lead it and persuade as many organised clubs as possible to join them for the targetted match. Only if this one-off boycott was successful and generated the desired publicity, in Scotland and beyond, and caused alarm from clubs who could be next in line, would there be any chance of persuading a follow up boycott. The fans are hard headed and need to know that they are not just engaging in gesture politics.
5) Some additional organised actions would need to be taken by the home support too in order to persuade the away fans to apply their financial pressure.
We cannot financially hurt Celtic as your SB is paid for even if you dont turn up and why hurt Celtic financially anyway? No- it would have to be an event such as a mass walk out or back-turning for a significant time but it would have to allow for a return to supporting the team so we do not harm them- especially not during a CL tie- where the support is badly needed.
6) I return to my original point- All of this takes time and leadership to organise. It cannot be done by blogs, phone-ins or via letters and e mails. It does need leadership, organisation, administration and, probably, a hint of “understanding the fan’s frustrations” whilst not calling for or condoning the boycott by representatives of the club themselves, preferably Board members.
It can be done but, as with Res. 12 most of the effort it takes will take place away from here. It will be interesting to see if this could prompt the CSA and other large fan groups, such as The Green Brigade to get together and do the necessary planning and organising for this.
Asking the away support to support a withdrawal of support wouldn’t work. I wouldn’t worry though as I suspect the laSt few days of choreography in the media by the SFA and board members of the SFA will run its course. Have faith in the little guy. Think of the Dougie Dougie episode and the request to bring Rangers back to the top tier or 2nd tier. The SFA media announcements just acted as a catalyst for some irked guy to speak up. Then there’s the possibility of leaks. Leaks are always spouting forth just when you think you’ve plugged all the holes.
Then there’s angry rich and powerful folk.
SFTB
An extract from one of my posts 7 years ago – when we knew skulduggery was afoot:
Boycott by definition: refuse (v.), stay away from, impose sanctions, embargo, shun, proscribe, prohibit, reject.
The process of getting from A to B (Arranging to Boycotting) often proves to be the most difficult part of the action. The Celtic Support (for their own reasons) will have different agendas – when and if an away boycott actually comes about;
• Those that believe it’s mandatory to back the Team whatever the circumstances.
• The unthinkable – no support away .v. them.
• Those financially signed-up to the ‘away’ ticket scheme.
• Those already committed to pre-booked travel arrangements (buses, flights, overseas fans with infrequent opportunity to see the Team, etc).
• Those who do not attend way games.
• No doubt – a few more that I have failed to list.
Boycotts do work – but organising a successful one is much harder work than just staying away on the day in question.
Get the first one wrong and any attempt to implement another is likely to be futile! Make no mistake – it’s a very difficult gig.
We should inform the SFA that we won’t take part in the Scottish Cup unless the review takes place. And if we are contractually obliged then play the under 20’s. See how they like them apples.
£30 million ?
What, for 25 years of Murray Mibbery ?
That’s how long this has been going on.
Way back to when the huns paid Mo Johnston’s outlying tax bill from Nantes FC, £150,000 worth.
I’ve been boycotting since the bored blew, black Sunday, when, on that day, the bored leaked the news tae the smsm that, MO’N would be leaving and, would be replaced by the puppet, WGS.
Nae wonder the team on the pitch at Fir Park, looked crestfallen even before the huddle.
Snakes n Ladders FC.
Ye see, the huns were starting to, downsize so, Celtic followed suit.
WGS, brought apathy into the stadium, this went on until, the magic hat put, RD’s version of Celtic oot the SCSF, and 30,000 empty seats appeared.
But, but, but, but,……moving onto, current events, if, PL’s letter is the extent of Celtic PLC’s arsenal, against the SFA, well it looks like the cheating ibrokes orcs will have won oot the park.
I know that this post will be attacked by, the meanest of the mean spirited, who will cite that, I shouldn’t have a say as, I no longer put any money into the club.
Well, maybe they would prefer that I, hobble along London Road in my crutches and, hand in my sick money to be put into the PLC billlionaires kitty, then hobble back along London Road in my crutches, to join my family in the queue at our local food bank ?
If these are the types who constitute a fair number of today’s Celtic supporter base, well, maybe I’ve been correct all along and that, Celtic really did die in 1994 ?
Anyway,……guid luck.
…..oot.
No Boycotts.
We are Celtic.
My father , my Grandfather
My Grandfather’s dad
My Great , great Grandfather from Donegal rose up – didn’t stay away.
Show who we are , show why we are true and show that we are Celtic of Glasgow.
Now- as to tomorrow’s game….
The betting to win the CL has, understandably, place Real s favourites at odds of 4 to 1.
The triple placed 2nd favourites are Bayern, PSG and Barca at 7 to 1. Both Celtic and Anderlecht are priced at 250 to 1 to win it. Only 3 other Pot 4 teams are longer odds than us ( Apoel, Qarbag and Maribor). 3 pot 4 teams are shorter priced (Sporting, Fetenoord and CSKA Moscow). The only Pot 4 team with a chance it seems is Leipzig at 66 to 1.
Of the pot 3 teams, Anderlecht and Basel are the longest odds – 250 to 1 (as are pot 1’s- Spartak Moscow).
The odds for us to lose all 6 CL group games are 12 to 1 ( the same as it is for Anderlecht). Again, only Apoel, Quarabag, Maribor (and, surprisingly, Olympiakos) are more fancied to end up with that dubious distiction.
To just be eliminated at Group stage we are 1 to 16.
And we are rated as 14 to 1 shots to win tomorrow and 6 to 1 to force a draw. PSG are 4 to 1 on to get all 3 points.
All of this leads to one conclusion only……
All the neutral hard-headed judges feel we are doomed cannon-fodder.
Despite our creditable performance last year, when 5 of our 6 ties were competitive, we are judged to be in a very hard group where only a fool would predict success.
Well, I will be one of those fools rolling up at CP with hope in my heart even though my head knows the odds.
We’ve done it before- so why not now?
The huge hike in the club’s value suggests something is afoot
I know the finances are good but surely there would have to be more to see almost another third added to our value?
Also with the recent skirmishes with the cheating SFA suggesting they will do everything to keep us down why would our value climb so high?
I am of the opinion that Scottish football will cheat us again but the subsequent fallout will make them live to regret it.
Celtic to win @ home 12s.
That is well disrespectful, imo. We have one of the best teams I’ve ever seen.
£40 on a Celtic victory Tonight.
I appreciate that PSG have excellent players but it is still just 11v11. I don’t normally go for that kind of bet but those odds are just ridiculous.
Get right into them Celtic.
PETEC on 12TH SEPTEMBER 2017 2:59 AM
I know what you mean , Pete.
It was 13`s .
Not long now , old son .
:-)
Alloa – JR – is a Good Manager
James Forrest totally destroyed Udinese away.
I was hoping that Celtic would have let the ST Mirren have 1 or 2 of our Incredible youngsters.
Celtic is Incredible.