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Rose will cure what ails Leipzig soon

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I watched Leipzig lose 3-0 to Borussia Monchengladbach on Saturday evening.  It was not the reassuringly bad performance by our Champions League opponents the score line suggests.  Leipzig showed plenty of effort throughout, even when the outcome was beyond doubt.

They were frustrating in attack and porous in defence; a bit like Celtic the following day, but in the Bundesliga, punishment is more acute than anything we are likely to see in Paisley.  Leipzig are a team lesser than its constituent parts.  In time, that will change.  Celtic’s concern with this issue will be over three weeks today, when the second of our doubleheader against them takes place.

We return to action at home to Motherwell, four days before our game in Germany.  Another chance for Ange Postecoglou to rotate the squad?  That’s significantly less likely now than pre-Paisley.  At the same time, Leipzig are home to bottom of the gable, Bochum, who have one point from seven outings.  They could not have handpicked an easier warmup for our meeting.

What is less reassuring for Marco Rose, who took over as Leizig manager two weeks ago, is that like Celtic, the bulk of his squad departed for international duty since the weekend.  He will not get an opportunity to work with them as a group until a couple of days before the Bochum game.  Even that game is unlikely to provide a useful test of progress.

Whatever ails Leipzig, Rose will cure their vulnerable soon.  Celtic have to exploit a team in flux and find two performances in the next three weeks that can define their season.

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  7. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    St Stivs,

     

     

    Very interesting link earlier to top 30 earners in European football.

     

     

    Cheers.

     

     

    A few thoughts …

     

     

    Of those 30, there are 6-8 clubs (all English) who will almost never play in the Champions League.

     

     

    All except two clubs (PSG, Zenit) comes from England, Italy, Spain, Germany

     

     

    Zenit are funded by Gazprom so don’t really earn their own dough.

     

     

    No club from Netherlands or Portugal.

     

     

    Of the others, the relatively low income of AC Milan (€161m) surprised me.

     

     

    At current exchange rates that figure is just under £150m.

     

     

    Bit of a leap from me – but a well run club from a small country with £150m revenue should be competitive in Champions League terms.

     

     

    This topic is discussed often on CQN.

     

     

    There’s clearly lots of brains on here so genuine question to all, if I may.

     

     

    How, SPECIFICALLY and REALISTICALLY, do Celtic reach that £150m figure?

  8. Bhoyjoebelfast on

    GARYGILLESPIESHAMSTRING:

     

    Mick called in to the pub to see me,courtesy of a few Port lads who arranged it.He was heading to the team’s do in Glasgow,following the cup final victory.Time for lights out.Stay safe Gary etc.

  9. Melbourne Mick on

    Hello again all you young rebels.

     

     

    Can I put the news on now, just to see if anything else

     

    is going on in the world ?

     

    You never know there might be a major war going on

     

    somewhere, famine, climate change, maybe even

     

    a wee bit info in how world leaders will decide to stop

     

    using fossil fuels ???

     

    Nah me neither.

     

    H.H. Mick

  10. thingmyjig on

    https://twitter.com/imagine1984/status/1571888637532409857?s=20&t=nwrISZh940zhK96mC25VFQ

     

    Listen closely 4 years she’s been lying in state?

     

    Sky news as well.

     

     

    https://youtu.be/V8ToLgZ2aog

     

    This must open you’re eyes witchcraft, broken wand because the wizard/witch is dead, coffin sitting on chessboard coloured flooring, Sky News deliberately on numerous occasions filming from above to show an upside down cross, this is the narrative of the video, not my word, recommends a YouTube channel called, 7 grains of salt, and more.

     

    Very interesting.

     

    Thing is how deep into this is the wee Scottish leader wummin?

  11. quadrophenian on

    ART OF WAR on 20TH SEPTEMBER 2022 3:29 PM

     

     

    So when did you get your first pair and what where they?

     

     

    ———-

     

     

    Most memorable pair (wey hey!) were Puma Dalglish Golds my mates chipped in and bought for my 21st.

     

     

    Currently strutting the fields in Asics Lethal Shot 2 – black w green laces and they feel like slippers.

  14. An Tearmann on

    GGH

     

     

    Netzer- player,recall him destroying England at Wembley to qualify for 72 Euros,3-1 iirc,they played in the green German away top,watched it in colour lol

     

    He went onto win thatt tourney.Wasnt at 74 tho.pity.

     

     

    HH

  15. quadrophenian on

    GARYGILLESPIESHAMSTRING on 21ST SEPTEMBER 2022 12:15 AM

     

    Gunther Netzer had a massive pair.

     

    Due to him having very big feet

     

     

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    VERDAMMT!!

     

     

    ——–

     

     

    AT – loving that deep green team kit – next year mibby ??

  18. An Dún on

    How, SPECIFICALLY and REALISTICALLY, do Celtic reach that £150m figure?

     

     

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    Our revenue was broken down into three streams: Stadium, Merchandise, Multi media & other.

     

     

    I don’t see us significantly increasing ticket prices so stadium revenue will remain consistent, all things equal.

     

     

    Merchandise sales of £25 million is excellent. To have almost 30% of our total revenue generated by our merch sales will be very hard to improve upon, our adidas deal is paying dividends. It will almost certainly dwarf the merchandise sales of our nearest domestic challenger.

     

     

    That leaves us with multi media, which is basically European football and sponsorships.

     

     

    This is the only revenue stream we can realistically significantly grow.

     

     

    We reach the 150 million mark by annual CL participation and then look to increase sponsorship payments on the back of it.

     

     

    Where we to make the last 16 of the CL this season, I think we’d be heading north of £130 million for this financial year.

     

     

    The Club indicated the new CL format in 2024 will lead to a significant jump in European income where we to qualify.

     

     

    So it’s all about the CL.

  20. Greenpinata on

    Genuine question:-

     

     

    I know the Celtic trust and the GB called for a merchandise boycott in 2021 after Ange was appointed.

     

     

    What is the current status of boycott ( If any ) ?

     

     

    HH.

  21. The quiet man on

    Back to basics and An dun

     

     

    £150m turnover

     

     

    Can’t see it in the SPFL with the media revenue.

     

    DD could of course get one of his companies to sponsor our shirts / stadium with an outlandish some of money as Man city get from Etihad.

     

     

    I thought the sky bubble would burst for the EPL but it’s just getting bigger.

  22. Chairbhoy on

    Good Morning Celts – Grand Day To Be A Tim

     

     

    BACK TO BASICS – GLASS HALF FULL @ 11:24 PM,

     

     

    That’s a thouggt provoking post and St Stivs chart of Deloitte’s top 30 European sides is interesting.

     

     

    https://www.consultancy.uk/illustrations/news/detail/2022-03-21-193644788-Top-30-football-clubs-with-highest-income.jpg

     

    About 50% of those Clubs are truly contenders in the UCL.

     

     

    There are other Clubs that are outside that top 30, who would be disappointed not to get to the last sixteen, teams from Austria, Portugal, Netherlands, Belgium etc

     

     

    There not going to do it every season but there were five teams in the last sixteen outwith the top thirty that made the last sixteen, last season – so almost a third, a significant margin.

     

     

    So how do Celtic get to a T/O of £150M and look like a potential UCL play off Club.

     

     

    We should be a £100M T/O this year, we reached that, then and now, record level of £101M in 2018.

     

     

    So careful but ambitious player trading, winning the Scottish League, UCL participation, a full Celtic Park and good merchandising takes us to that level, I’d argue our default level.

     

     

    Agree with what AN DÚN wrote, UCL participation most seasons will mean more income, we should be able to reinvest that in the squad and improve our UCL performance.

     

     

    More wins and draws in the UCL means significantly more money, if we follow the Ange tregectory that could mean 120M by 2023.

     

     

    As stated, the UCL format changes then and Celtic earn more money.

     

     

    Signing the media deal that SKY has put on the table is quite simply madness, Rangers have resisted it, probably for political reasons but their official reasoning is sound enough.

     

     

    The SPL, Doncaster and SKY have become very lazy when it comes Scottish Football’s TV deal.

     

     

    If what’s on the table is the best we can realistically hope for, then take all the games SKY won’t be broadcasting out off the deal and let the Clubs stream these games to their fans through a PPV platform or as I’d prefer a TV season ticket offering (that could include some match tickets and entry into a ballot for other games like the European nights or away tickets or even some Glasgow derby games).

     

     

    Merchandising is definitely on the up and should improve, the big games put us once again in the shop window and we should be looking at our traditional markets abroad, Ireland England, USA and Australia with renewed energy and Japan.

     

     

    There is no reason that as our T/O increases the merchandising percentage sees a pro rata increase.

     

     

    All this time we are pushing the coefficient higher and get all the tangible and untangible benefits of that – higher seeding, more games won, UCL or Europa after Christmas, Players performing on the top stage ever increasing their value.

     

     

    It all bodes well and with each passing season and new smart initiatives ion media rights, we could certainly be pushing £150M in 3-5 seasons.

     

     

    While we are not a Deloitte top 30 T/O side – as far as attendance and gate recipts we are a top 20 European Club. Also there is the KPMG report that has different emphasis to the Deloitte one, which is purely financial.

     

     

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/17670336.celtic-named-one-europes-top-30-clubs/

     

     

    We were a top thirty Club according to them in 2019. Getting back there for me is a return to parity.

     

     

    Often we are very quick to talk of the disadvantages of being in the Scottish league and no doubt that’s a factor, yet what of the advantages, the main one being we have a real chance to qualify for the UCL every season and another is being next door to the most proligate League in the world when it comes to spending on player registrations.

     

     

    We could have a conveyor belt of quality players, with solid experience against the best teams in Europe heading south.

     

     

    All in all – happy days.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  23. The quiet man on

    If of course we were able to have our own broadcasting rights then that would help increase the turnover.

     

     

    If we had a 500m fan base like the huns we could rule the world 🤭

  24. The quiet man on

    Chairbhoy

     

    I agree about the current arrangement with Sky and hoped BT interest a couple of seasons ago may have upped the revenue. However out with our 4 games against the old firm no one is interested, it’s a poor product consistently talked down in the media. I keep hearing from my English mates ‘ it’s a 2 horse race , no-one to beat etc.’

  25. The quiet man on

    In general from large shareholders point of view the important thing is the dividend paid by the company and the increase in the share price. Turnover is not the driving force because it usually comes with increased cost. It would be interesting to see the Deloitte table showing profit/ loss / debt.

     

    The English leagues have many teams who are living or have lives the EPL dream and are financial basket cases.

     

     

    Time to fetch the grandson – back later

  26. Chairbhoy on

    THE QUIET MAN @ 7:46 AM,

     

     

    Your comment was partially covered in mine but if I’d seen your post before commenting I. would have expanded.

     

     

    Media, technology and content offerings and value have increased dramatically in the last decades, yet it seems to me the Scottish league are negotiating their TV deal the way they did in the Sentanta days.

     

     

    Neil Doncaster’s relationship with SKY has become lazy and cosy, there is, relatively speaking, little value in it.

     

     

    We need someone who understands modern media and how to set up modern contract agreements – we need the Clubs to have more “ownership” of their content outwith what is actually broadcast.

     

     

    Celtic as I say may see real value in a TV season ticket offering, Aberdeen may get real value from a PPV model, then there is everything in between.

     

     

    SKY is trying to buy up all Scottish Football content then shelf it, is it so the Clubs can’t realise and then realise the value of their content.

     

     

    What 90% of the games left on the shelf!? Madness.

     

     

    Questions must be asked why are the SPL even considering this agreement an agreement that will tie up Scottish Football rights for most of the decade.

     

     

    The Covid years showed that the multi media platform is great for supporters who can’t get to the game, it’s offering can be expanded and allow fans who wish to put money into their Clubs directly a great vehicle for doing so.

     

     

    This is glaringly obvious, so the question must be asked once again, why are the SPL and Neil Doncaster even thinking about this deal, never mind recommending it.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  27. celtic40me on

    CHAIRBHOY

     

     

    How would Celtic benefit from PPV? Uefa prohibit any broadcast between 2.45 and 5.15 on a Saturday which rules out our Saturday afternoon games. Our away fixtures are a vital part of the Sky deal and the broadcast rights to them are owned by the home club.

  29. Timbhoy163 on

    Don’t know why the lazy SFA can’t do a deal with Amazon ,Prime Video,ditch Sky altogether full of Huns anyway,maybe our club should be attractive to Amazon worth a try,

  30. Hot Smoked on

    I saw a figure from 2019 that the Green Brigade had raised 250,000 pounds for charities ( and many van loads of food etc for Foodbanks). Anyone any idea what the 2022 figure is?

  31. celtic40me on

    In think increasing our turnover by 90% in three years, even with champions league cash is a little ambitious

     

     

    We’ve seen the basics of some very good accounts, a profit in a year when we won a domestic double and showed significant improvement on the pitch since a d were debating nearly doubling our revenues.

     

     

    The Quiet man is right, turnover tables are only hand the picture, we have the richest cash league on our doorstep. You only have to look at what Brentford have done since they came up – they had a similar player trading model to ours until they got up. Now they’re there it’s all about staying there, no profitable sales, net transfer spend.

  35. celtic40me on

    In the EPL it’s about cash. As long as they can keep it coming in then they can run up all sorts of debts

     

     

    The change in Uefa FFP will allow for even bigger debts to be covered by shareholder equity. As long as the cash keeps rolling in the debts can be covered.

     

     

    EPL teams will keep on speculating. Cash is king. It’s the same in Italy, same with Barça now. Huge debts guaranteed by future tv revenues

     

     

    We can’t see life that way. Our revenues have much higher associated costs. TV revenues are free cash, even if we were to turn ourselves into a broadcaster as well as a football club, by taking control of our broadcasting rights, the revenues might increase, but the costs would mean the profits are significantly smaller than say from the revenues Bournemouth receive

     

     

    Revenue figures tell a d all part of the picture

     

     

    Income, profit, cashflow

  41. scullybhoy on

    The quiet man on 21st September 2022 9:24 am

     

     

    Scullybhoy

     

    A guess is it connaire 12 , apologies if I’m wrong

     

     

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

     

     

    Honestly dont know, but it is a really nice photo.

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