Yesterday’s result at Ibrox gave some welcome encouragement but it would be wrong to read too much into it. Rangers still have the kind of lead that would have Celtic thoroughly confident of a league win and, lest we forget, St Johnstone collected all three points from Celtic Park already this season.
The win at Inverness was much more important. The Highlanders are bottom of the league but that is a false position. Two points separate Hibs, Dunfermline, Aberdeen and Inverness, while Kilmarnock, who shipped six goals to Inverness at home two weeks ago, are only a further two points away. Even with 10 men Inverness remained well organised yesterday, don’t be surprised if they move ahead of the four teams above them in the weeks to come.
The league is remarkably tight from fourth place St Johnstone to bottom Inverness, where fewer points separate the teams than split Celtic and Rangers. Don’t, therefore, be surprised if points are dropped in the most unlikely places.
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the holy stone
Bought the times today first in many months should last me all week £2.20….Wee treat .knew there would be a story unbiased about celtic in it…how wrong… wee story about neil meeting the GB blah blah blah from reporter douglas alexander about ira etc…..he then goes on to the sectarian thingy about the fans of the OLD FIRM……….Listing previous old firm problems abroad, no mention of huns visits to celitic park or the family day outing at last seasons league cup final……..surprise surprise!!!! rangers seemed to have had probs at villareal..athletico…osasunal….urziceni….psv eindhoven..all to the tune of 75k in fines from eufa…………….no mention of celtic…..but he did say the old firm…………think douglas you would be more suited to the record or sun
up over goal@ 23.00
The official SPL website says Rangers had 22 yellows and 2 reds up to yesterday, so if they added 2 yellows yesterday and one of their reds was a double yellow form of red, I make that 25 yellows for Rangers, not 26 as you state.
As your statistics suggest, there is no overall bias in the performance of refs as a whole. They cannot prove whether the ref involved in yesterdays’s game at Ibrox, or indeed, the one between us and St. Johnstone at CP, was biased or not.
The stats seem to suggest that refs are slower to award yellow cards to Celtic than they are to Rangers but they are quicker to award yellows to Rangers’ opposition than they are to Celtic’s opposition. Which is the most beneficial is an arguable point.
The weakness in determining how fair or biased any ref or group of refs are is that these stats only indicate fouls awarded. They do not account for failures to award legitimate fouls for or against either clubs
antonsleftfoot,
explain ?
notthebus says:
20 November, 2011 at 23:50
Celtic must never enter into any more joint ventures with that lot, the establishments behaviour over the last couple of weeks has turned extremely sinister, and that is just the start of it, especially if Rangers go to the wall.
The Green Brigade have been targeted to destablise Celtic, I think the Green Brigade will Unify Celtic even more in these dangerous times.
2010 Never Again
http://www.thecsa.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500
Misleading Stats from the Government
The report released today by the Scottish Government regarding “Religiously Aggravated Offending in Scotland 2010-11 make for interesting if not confusing reading.
First of all almost 60% of the charges were committed by young people in the age group 16-30; and 60% of the cases took place in the Glasgow City area; and not surprisingly in 67% of the cases alcohol or drugs was involved.
The number of charges attributed to derogatory remarks against Roman Catholic’s made up 57.7% of the cases; while the same offence against Protestants made up 36.55 of the cases; which astonishingly are almost 95% of all cases; and considering Roman Catholics make up only 16% of the population; the number of attacks on them is worrying.
When you look at the statistics around football and marches/parades; there are almost 8 times more offences at football matches than at marches/parades; and according to the report 52% of the offences took place at Celtic Park; and 27% at Ibrox.
I have to ask the question; do these statistics point to a particular way of policing these incidents now? Apparently in the data destroyed by the Crown Office which covered the period up to 2010; the majority of sectarian offences were committed against Roman Catholics at Orange Parades; now they appear to show a lot more offences are happening at Celtic Park.
Let me point out two recent cases. A sheriff declined to impose a custodial sentence on James Begbie a Hearts Supporter for singing “We’re up to our knees in F****n Blood” the reason for the leniency by Sheriff Craig Mc Sherry; the offence was committed at East End Park Dunfermline; so there were no Celtic Fans present to be offended.
In the case of a young 17 year old Celtic supporter; who I won’t name here. He was accused of singing “ooh ah up the Ra” at the home match against Hibs on October 29th; he was not arrested at the match; by the Police crashed through his door early last Friday morning; he was held in custody before appearing before a Sheriff on Monday afternoon.
After pleading “Not Guilty” the Sheriff was imposing Bail Conditions; one of which was he was to stay away from Celtic matches; this was agreed by the bhoys Lawyer; but the Prosecuting Fiscal opposed it; asking that the bhoy be remanded until DECEMBER 23rd.
The bhoy was held in Polmont Young Offenders Institution until he was eventually released on Tuesday night; five days after being picked up.
I ask you to make your own mind up about these two cases; and the statistics.
CultsBhoy
you are a man of knowledge in all things football
a wee one-liner in to the Tic via email goes a long way in terms of signing targets
Gregor sometimes passes on details of the occasional
prospect i mention to the scouts etc
Huseklepp was one
was in good form at international level before
more talented footy folk out there passin on info the CFC bosses, the better
young O’Shaughnessy at Abderdeen is one too
seen him yet ?
decent !
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
21 November, 2011 at 00:02
antonsleftfoot,
explain ?
1. your original question “Do you condemn rangers for witholding resources critical to the british govt in protecting british soldiers in active service ??” makes an assumption that is incorrect.
2. the conclusion you drew from the response to the question you asked, “have refused to condemn the huns part in witholding resources from british soldiers on avtice duty” is not correct. they simply didn’t bother agreeing with your (incorrect) assertion. (i’ve only read up to page 4 of comments so far so maybe theres more silliness)
3. “for a Celtic supporter to recognise and expose hypocritical jingoism ?” thats not what your doing. you were asking people to respond in the affirmative to your loaded question.
does that cover it?
Imatim
Regarding these statistics and the deleted COPFS data, the word obfuscation* comes to mind.
They are deliberately confusing the issue here with vague statistics to ignore the real problem. This is sinister and does not bode well for the future.
Write to your MSP, especially if they aren’t SNP;
http://www.celtictrust.net/?func=d_home_article&id=323
* From Wikipedia; Obfuscation may be used for many purposes. Doctors have been accused of using jargon to conceal unpleasant facts from a patient; American author Michael Crichton claimed that medical writing is a “highly skilled, calculated attempt to confuse the reader”
Barrach Obampot says:
21 November, 2011 at 00:16
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2010 Never Again
Cheers. Off oot
ps in other words they’ve doctored the reports.
oops!
antonsleftfoot says:
21 November, 2011 at 00:13 – edit
3. “thats not what you were doing. you were expecting people to respond in the affirmative to your loaded question.”
antonsleftfoot,
naw, you just sound like another hun trying to get them off the hook.
the basic premise is true whether you like it or not, its only losded for huns, for the rest of us tax payers its an easy admission.
MLS cup final @ 2:00 am
Los Angeles vs Houston Dynamos
Robbie, Juninho, Beckham etc are favourites but it should be a good game for the nightshift. ESPN.
petec
thanks a lot for the reminder of MLS cup
nice one !
come on big Dom Keane, Houston boss !!
pure mad sellick fan !!
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
21 November, 2011 at 00:21
get who off the hook?
the basic premise isn’t true – if you are meaning your original question.
rangers systemic avoidance of paying their due tax is pretty naughty.
we just want to think its worse than naughty because they are our biggest rivals.
i’m more irish than scottish. me ma’s from county derry, me da’s grandparents are from donegal. confirmation name is Francis. quit going to Chapel as soon as i was allowed – at 14 or so.
i’ve never sung rebel songs. never will.
you know why i reckon some Celtic supporters sing rebel songs?
because it annoys folks of a different religious persuasion that predominantly support our rivals.
thats just my opinion though. which don’t mean much.
scroll on hun
TopCorner says:
21 November, 2011 at 00:28
No probs.
Well after what you have said, I hope Robbie gets the MOTM but the Houston Bhoys win the cup. :))
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
21 November, 2011 at 00:33
now you’re getting really funny!
whats the second line in the creed?
how many times do altar boys ring the bell during the blessing of the sacraments? (well, at my church!)
and so on.
sheesh!
Always difficult to judge the quality of SPL players.
A few were picked up successfully by Wigan, McCarthy, McArthur & Sammon, but only McCarthy, pre-injury, could be considered a starter. Stephen Fletcher has made it with his Premiership teams but the likes of Gomis and Buaben are failing to get on the bench at Birmingham and Watford respectively, as is Josh Thompson at Peterborough and Chris McGuire at Derby. Paul Caddis and Zander Diamond are playing regularly, but for League two and One clubs respectively.
Less obviously promising players Like Tim Krul and John Ruddy have managed to claim starting positions with EPL clubs but there were not many highlighting them as prospects when they played here.
I am wary of the Scottish market. Paul Gallagher seems no more than an experienced journeyman goalie, another Mark Brown, another Lucas Zaluska. The boy Milsom has not set any fires alight in 3 previous loan spells before arriving at Aberdeen. I think Dons fans would rate Arnason as their best player currently.
I still think Templeton has skills at a level few other SPL opponents possess; he has a chance of a step up.
petec
sorry
should be Dominic Kinnear
(sorry Dom !)
he’s on Podcast 5…
http://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/lostbhoyss-podcast/id322655049
Top corner
I wish I could influence 1st team signings !
I have passed on a couple of young lads to Chick McLelland who is the north east youth scout.. In fairness he has come to see them and taken both to Glasgow for others to give an opinion.. He also gives me a call occasionally to get my take on certain youngsters.
I think there are decent players knocking about for the taking and certainly many who could contribute as much as many of the mediocre foreign players in the SPL..
Gallagher would be great for us.. As confirmed by MWD who also knows a thing or three about fitba..
Milson would be good…I was at Aberdeen game on Saturday with the Manager of a well known fitness club. He told me Milson lives in his gym doing all sorts , including yoga to try to improve his fitness and avoid ‘ bad living’…
On the evidence of Saturday it’s working as he was fit and fast and very skilful, if a little one footed.
“re-naming Ibroke could bring millions to the club”
haha
deludedCSC !
http://thisisfutbol.com/2011/11/blogs/how-rangers-are-looking-at-new-ways-of-improving-their-finances
Sunil Chetri
i didnae realise it was this fella they were lookin at
heard of him about 3yrs ago
signed him fur my fantasy team back then, haha
wisnae up tae much, so binned him
Bill Leckie not missing a trick again. ‘Sectarian Celts blah blah blah Two side of the same coin blah blah blah I need to get ma hole blah blah blah…’
“There’s old Sepp Blooter being kicked from pillar to post for claiming racism in football can be sorted with a handshake at the final whistle.
But what’s the difference between his attitude and that of the apologists who’ve spent decades saying the same about Scottish football and sectarianism?
For as long as I’ve been campaigning against this cancer, Celtic and Rangers people have shrugged that it’ll never change, that it’s just the way things are and, yes, at the end of the day it’s all just banter.
You know, like everyone goes back to work on Monday morning and no one ever mentions it until the next Old Firm game.
Aye, right. And some of Enoch Powell’s best friends were black.
Blooter is an out-of-touch idiot. No more so, though, than all those who’ve listened to bigoted bile all their lives but have said and done nothing about it.
Or at least, not until it becomes an easy target.
At Rangers, that was when UEFA started getting heavy and it was conveniently blamed on The Minority.
Now, at Celtic, the spectre of sectarianism also has a name.
The Green Brigade.
A deeply unpleasant bunch whose craving for attention makes them stick out like a big, poisoned sore thumb.
And who make it so much easier for the apologists to finally take a stand, especially when they can cover their a**es by writing that these people are an affront to the rest of the Celtic support.
But in the days when there was no Green Brigade, just a following commonly known as The Greatest Fans In The World, some Celtic punters still sang about the IRA and FTQ and the rest of the megamix.
Yet the same keyboard heroes who now want to change the world never said a dickybird.
Why? Because they make their living off following the Old Firm and wouldn’t survive without them.
Now, though? What a great out The Green Brigade give them. Pin the whole sectarian thing on one corner of Parkhead while making sure everyone else in the stadium knows you love and respect them like family.
Same went for Rangers and The Minority, a tag that allowed pundits to pontificate the sweeping generalisation that “most decent Rangers fans will be outraged by their behaviour” and everyone would be happy, because no one had to face up to the less palatable truth.
Which is, as with Celtic right now, that the use of abusive and bigoted language at both clubs is so institutionalised as to almost become as natural as breathing in and out.
Let’s leave the organised chanting and banner waving aside. And address the fact that not a game goes by at Parkhead without opposing fans, opposing players, referees, linesmen and the media being referred to as Orange B******s.
Just as not a game goes by at Ibrox without opposing fans, opposing players, referees, linesmen and the media (often the same people as were at Parkhead the previous week) being routinely referred to as Fenian B******s. Yet what do police and stewards do? Hee-haw.
They sling a deafy, because to wade in and haul out everyone who yelled something offensive, not to mention illegal, would mean all leave being cancelled in neighbouring constabularies while they wheeched offenders off to the cells.
Sadly, the same goes for 99 per cent of the media. Even if they’re the ones being abused, how often do we read any mention of sectarianism in their copy? How often does a radio or TV commentator refer to clearly-audible bile in their coverage?
Come to think of it, how often have you sat there as a non-Old Firm fan and shaken your head as The Billy Boys or The Boys Of The Old Brigade strikes up and the guy on the mic tells you that “the fans are in great voice”?
No one’s wanted to get involved. No one’s wanted to put their head above the parapet and get it shot off by some deranged nutjob. So they’ve heard no evil and reported no evil.
And even now, when there’s an identifiable enemy, the language from on high used to deal with them is still so wishy-washy it wouldn’t frighten a three-year-old into eating their broccoli.
Cops “want to hold to talks” with The Green Brigade. Neil Lennon wants “to sit and sort things out” with them. B******s to that.
They know who these people are. They know where their seats are. They’ve got the CCTV and telly footage of them in action.
So if the police and Celtic are truly serious about about sorting them out, then just bloody well sort them out. Take their season tickets off them. Ban anyone who buys an away game ticket for them.
You don’t negotiate with bullies and that’s all this mob are, bullies who abuse and harass anyone who doesn’t follow their agenda.
Ask the Strathclyde Police press officer whose family have been subjected to horrendous abuse since the story broke that Celtic were being investigated.
The Green Brigade and their Ibrox counterparts are two sides of the same coin. They are the flea-ridden tail that wags the dog. Just let’s not kid ourselves that the dog couldn’t use a right could fumigating.
I’m with those who say Blooter’s position as head of FIFA is still untenable despite an apology for his complacency over racism.
Wonder when we’ll hear the word sorry from those whose life-long attitude to sectarianism has been just as off-hand?”
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/columnists/billleckiesports/3947514/At-last-we-turn-on-the-zealots.html
Cultsbhoy
left-sided
went down 2-1 yesterday
great to hear he has the correct attitude
Ronaldo says he is one of the best cos he works super-hard at it !
straightforward, in that respect
i remember thinkin Milsom was decent, and sure as SFTB says, Templeton is too
thing is….are they better than what we’ve got and on the rise ?
that’s the million dollar question, as ever
Milsom
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13168479.stm
Bill Leckie – the great champion of all things decent.
The same man who claimed to hear Sectarian coughing.
Disregard and ignore.
setting free the bears says:
21 November, 2011 at 00:38
It is even more difficult selecting these players who can handle playing with the pressure on them that is being a Celtic player.
I liked the way James Forrest was playing at the end of last season and that was when I knew he would be a player for Celtic. Despite being in the toughest of places, wide, and despite making some mistakes, he kept on going at it with the same gusto.
I have not seen Templetons performance this weekend but we perhaps have to factor in the fact he is looking for a new club. I also think Celtic have just as good players in their current unders setup.
If Templeton has the 85% (Neil said that football at this level is mainly in the mind) mentality to go with his undoubted skill then I agree we should keep an eye on him and if the opportunity arises, free move, and the reports within Celtic are good, then sign him.
TopCorner
Dominic Kinnear – that name rings a bell more, I dunno where i have watched stuff about him but Good Luck to him tonight.
Bill Leckie,he writes for The Sun.
Case closed.
I could laugh whenever I hear or read that idiots name. A “professional” hack who once did his match report on a St Mirren game on the word of St Mirren supporters returning to the Paisley pub that he couldn’t move his fat arse from to go to Love St. Waste of space who should be pitied.
The Brazillian market is obviously a more expensive South American market than others but I really would push the boat out for Dedé.
This guy is still relatively unknown but is getting better and better according to the Fifa 12 community. A very quick and strong CH @ 6’4. Even if we are a stepping stone, I think this guy is worth getting if just for 18 months.
petec
Are you serious? You want us to buy a player based on how good he is in a computer game????
I love Celtic and good music.
It’s late and i’m going to relax to some sweet tunes.Thought i’d share them.
For anyone who indulges,enjoy.
Goodnight to all in Celtic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hEfcawx6Fc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYFWus4QRUc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGORPUzLxtU
FOREVERANDEVER!!!
Neil Lennon is kingoh The Celts says:
21 November, 2011 at 02:22
Nope, based on the considered comments from many avid followers of Brazillian football.
Fifa has a sub game – It is called Ultimate Team.
Every week players are rated on how they have performed and the best from across the world make it into a “team of the week”; Understandably most players are nominated from the Big Euro Leagues, totally outwith Celtics reach.
The nuggets are to be found in who is getting nominated regularly from less regarded leagues.
BABASONICOS71 says:
21 November, 2011 at 02:31
Thanks for posting will Listen to them over the next hour.
petec
Fair enough. I suppose it’s no different from the mutterings of WGS on here then. People seem to take him seriously. At least, some do!!
kingoh,
It is just a comment and an opinion from myself. I think Dedé will go out of our reach soon anyway.
I just want a Big Man who is dominant at our CH position. bournesouprecipe is correct, we Must spend money on the defence and even though he would cost 2-4 million to get, we would easily get double within 2 years.
He is no Rafael Scheidt.