I’ve just caught Joe O’Rourke’s article on the Association site about the long-awaited released of statistics on sectarian crime in Scotland. Joe suggests that the data from 2003 – 2010 was has been destroyed by the Crown Office. I also hear that the Scottish Government will release entirely irrelevant ‘information’ today, specifically, where offences took place, not which groups were responsible or which groups were targeted by the offenders.
It takes a lot of effort to make sure you destroy data these days, you need to ensure not only that prosecutors permanently delete backups (which I really doubt they do) but also that the police similarly comply.
Fortunately all is not lost. While it’s just about believable that regional police forces across Scotland and the Crown Office have acted in symmetry on this issue, I could have helped the First Minister, Alex Salmond’s, search for clarity by pointing him in the direction of British Transport Police (BTP). The Transport Police are a separate force who operate across Britain and are run by the Home Office in London. They are also a lot less proficient at destroying data.
They previously gave me detailed statistics on all incidents they record in connection with Scottish football for season 2007-08. One of the most pleasing aspects of the information is the complete eradication of sectarian offences from all but one Scottish club, so the First Minister will be delighted to learn he has a smaller problem on his hands than he perhaps knew. According to BTP, 11 arrests were made for sectarian offences in total, 10 Rangers fans and one Northern Ireland fan.
You can see the detail figures for all recorded incidents here (the majority of which are for non-sectarian issues). From a total of 99 incidents (not all of which resulted in arrest), there were six involving Celtic fans, six for Dundee United, seven for Motherwell, four for Hibernian and five each for Aberdeen and Hearts. Rangers fans were involved in a total of 48 incidents.
The BPT figures also make it clear that most incidents occur when fans travel to away venues. The Force also confirmed that incidents surrounding the 2008 Uefa Cup final in Manchester were not included in these statistics.
To further aid Mr Salmond in his search for clarity on this issue, he can contact British Transport Police with a Freedom of Information request here, where they will be able to provide him (or you) with up to date stats.
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Ya auld gits..BMX CSC
ibleedgreenandwhite1 says
I seen your praise of Samaras the other week mate,fair play to you.
samiandsongsdebateatsametimecsc
My dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. Fergus Slayed the Blues(Best Nomme de Blog..oan the ..well.. Blog!)
Ah agree,pal..
However..
Whit ye hiv said , Notwithstanding..
It seems , tae me…. that Mr. Lawwell, must eethur..Pey up..or Shut Up..
and Jist watch.. A Possible.. Two or Three Million Pound Property..
Wave…. Bye , Bye.
Kojo.
yer pal..who likes ye aloater
I have long thought that we should use the Jacobite side of our history to make our Celtic position clear.
The Hun can deal with our Irishness.
He cannot deal with our Jacobite contribution.
Let the Green Brigade hit them with what they cannot deal with.
Whaur hae ye been sae braw, lad?
Whaur hae ye been sae brankie-o?
Whaur hae ye been sae braw, lad?
Come ‘ye by Killiecrankie-o?
Chorus:
An’ ye had been whaur I hae been
Ye wadna been sae cantie-o
An’ ye had seen what I hae seen
On the braes o’ Killiecrankie-o
I fought at land, I fought at sea
At hame I fought my auntie-o
But I met the Devil and Dundee
On the braes o’ Killiecrankie-o
The bauld pitcur fell in a furr
And Clavers gat a crankie-o
Or I had fed an Athol gled
Lyrics http://www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/tommy_makem/
On the braes o’ Killiecrankie-o
Oh fie, MacKay, What gart ye lie
I’ the brush ayont the brankie-o?
Ye’d better kiss’d King Willie’s loff
Than come tae Killiecrankie-o
It’s nae shame, it’s nae shame
It’s nae shame to shank ye-o
There’s sour slaes on Athol braes
An the de’ils at Killiecrankie-o.
Can you imagine their contortions in trying to deal with this SCOTTISH classic ?
Dunno if this has been put on here ,but Celtic Trust statement on recent comings and goings with the police ……
Celtic Trust Statement – Campbell Corrigan
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Correcton of press coverage
Recent press coverage of a meeting between Mr Corrigan and the Celtic supporters’ organisations has been very misleading and we felt it necessary to present a correct version for our members and for the Celtic support.
Following the Hibs game and the behaviour of the police on that day, the Celtic Trust and the Celtic Supporters’ Association both separately asked for a meeting with Celtic to discuss this issue. We met together with Celtic on the Wednesday after the game (2/11/11) and expressed our views. We agreed to request, through Celtic, a meeting with the Match Commander, Mr Eddie Smith. We were originally given the impression that this meeting would take place on the Friday and, when this proved impossible, early the following week. However, we were then told that Mr Smith, who we have met with a number of times, was now refusing to meet with Celtic supporters’ organisations. The CSA and CT wrote to his Divisional Commander Wayne Mawson and asked if he would meet to consider our complaints and the fact that Mr Smith was refusing to meet us. He effectively refused to meet us by saying he would only discuss matters other than the ones that had been raised. A second letter was sent asking who, of an equivalent rank or higher, was willing to meet us to discuss our concerns. On Tuesday of this week (15/11/11) we were advised that ACC Corrigan wished to have a meeting with all the supporters’ organisations (CSA, CT, Green Brigade, ARCSC and AICSC). With the exception of the GB, we agreed to the meeting. On Wednesday we were extremely disturbed to find that there was inflammatory and misleading coverage in the Daily Record of the proposed meeting. It gave the impression that we were being summonsed to discuss bad behaviour by Celtic supporters, it attacked our colleagues, the Green Brigade and it appeared to focus on singing. This is not what the meeting was intended to be about and it is not possible to have a constructive dialogue under these circumstances. Therefore we will not be attending the meeting with Mr Corrigan scheduled for Friday (17/11/11).
However, we are a responsible supporters’ organisation and we are always willing to enter into constructive dialogue with any organisation or individual in order to advance the interests of our members, of the Celtic supporters generally and of Celtic. For that reason we do not rule out future meetings with Strathclyde Police but these will have to be on the basis of mutual respect and an agreed and published agenda.
Today we can see fully what Michael Kelly was up against in terms of outside influence except it was a 100 times worse and more sleekit. When you think how differently the banks treated him compared to Murray.
Michael Kelly is an honest articulate Celt and proven it time and again. He is as sharp as a tack and we could be doing with his services. He should be given a role at Celtic.
HH
Well said Bernard Ponsonby made more sense in 2 minutes than a whole week of ridiculous and misinformed tripe
fergus- Pretty sure Brown’s agent is Willie McKay,a wee dispute will suit both of them just fine.I posted in the summer that PL should have put a closing date on any offer,would have given us time to punt him.
!!Bada Bing!! says:
18 November, 2011 at 18:00
ibleedgreenandwhite1 says
I seen your praise of Samaras the other week mate,fair play to you.
samiandsongsdebateatsametimecsc
Its only fair to m8 !!
Hail hail
MurdochauldandHay says:
18 November, 2011 at 18:08
Well said Bernard Ponsonby made more sense in 2 minutes than a whole week of ridiculous and misinformed tripe
What channel was he on,,,what did he say???
Hail hail
MurdochauldandHay says
agree,perfectly deciphered and explained to all
Is rangers hindi tweets exercise a hint that rangersnewco will be applying to the Indian J League for membership- then they can guard old Dheli’s walls
AWE NAW
Can’t agree. Michael Kelly was duplicitous in a regime that led Celtic to the edge of the abyss. I will never forget his lies and deceit
However, having witnessed some of his recent media performances I do believe that he has a role to play. He is clearly both intelligent and articulate, this should be utilised against the dark forces. But imo that should not be in an official capacity. He’s much more use in his current position.
Just catching up, excellent stuff again Paul67 and well done Celtic for finally standing up for the club and telling some home truths this week; if some still doubted the SNP and police were hell bent on blackening the good name of celtic, there can be no doubt now given the misleading way they released their dubious stats today.
Looking at BTP stats it is interesting to see 2 Chelsea fans in stats.
Were they the ones in Manchester????
STV sieze the chance to show a hun trialist scoring against us.
hamiltontim says:
18 November, 2011 at 18:16
I agree with you ………..what does ‘duplicitous’mean?????
Kojo
IMO skoosh has already seen the house he wants and it ain’t in Glasgow .
Bada
you are right ,looks to me like skoosh has set himself up for a move ,his agent may have advised him that due to his contribution at Celtic it would be in his best interest to run his contract down till he was a free agent .
Can’t say I disagree with him as his contribution so far would not have led to many 5m plus bids from anywhere IMO .
So my advice to PL is don’t throw good money after bad let some other EPL club throw their not so hard earned at skoosh and his agent
hail hail
Just made the mistake off switching on Snyde,,,,,,,,,,,straight back off again!!!!
Hail hail
Well said Peter Kearney
P
Good evening friends and a Big Happy Friday Evening!
18 hours from now The Bhoys will be in the tunnel getting ready to put on a show. Can’t wait.
Jobo
Stairheedrammy says:
18 November, 2011 at 18:16
like it :-)
hail hail
In both both their financial predicaments why dont the JAMBOS and the ORCS join forces aand truly represent what they believe? Or do they already do that?
Voguepunter
Sorry big guy lessons over for the day :)
Sir Kojo.
The issue of the payment demanded by Brown’s agent being THE stumbling block in the completion of a new contract is not new.
It was mentioned at least two months ago,and it appears that absolutely no progress has been made.
Brown wears a smiling carapace,while he takes our money.
He is paid to be a footballer..not an acrobat or gymnast.
It was noticeable that he has been injured since his idiotic attempt to leap onto,and straddle Kris Commons shoulders..not the most sensible behaviour for someone supposedly struggling with long-term injury.
Good riddance to bad rubbish !
As for Darren O’Dea,I believe that he is on a season-long loan with Leeds,with his contact expiring in June. I don’t know whether he has a release clause in his contract,allowing him to be recalled to Parkhead.
Unfortunately,I have further bad news to impart….he has debased himself by acquiring a collection of unsightly tattoos on his forearms.
What would his fellow alumnus ,Phylvis,have to say about that….certainly NOT Awesome..!
Vito at centre back,but still no place at right-back for Noah the Gnu ???
Yer pal,who thinks you’re swell…
Jonny Hayes is a Guy,whom Ah Like.. and unfortunately..
Fear.. as well!
This Guy,in Ma opinion.. is WAN…who goat Away..
He is A Dubliner.. and a Fighter.. and a Very Skillful Player..
Ah hope he disnae dae a Number oan Us… Tomorrow.
Kojo
Jist Musing…
Robbie on Clyde
Give football games a rating similar to the cinema, that would stop sectarian singing.
And he doesn’t appear to be kidding
Well done to Celtic FC for their succinct comments and analysis on the figures announced by the Scottish Govt and the police. It makes for clear reading and highlights the SNP governments lack of experience and sense.
The information from the BTP also highlights the lack of understanding that persists in coming out of this SNP crowd.
And thank goodness that a balance is maintained by that bastion of Scottish culture,,,,,,,,,,STV…………ooooops .
As a brooodcaster are they not meant to represent Scottish culture……..oooo they are !!!
Hail Hail
C’Mon the Celts
So, is there a quiz at 9 tonight? And, if so, can i assume it’s a music quiz ;-)
Jobo
HT
Re Michael, I agree. I’d guess the media first revisited Mr Kelly in the hope of unearthing another spiteful, bitter former Celtic man but his performances to date have confounded them ( and me), thankfully.
How much longer his opinion is sought we’ll see, but imo he is better used as an external force.He hasn’t put a foot wrong recently.
If he were ever to attain another official position at the Club I’m afraid he would be demonised and undermined by our partial media.
HH
hamiltontim says:
18 November, 2011 at 18:16
I agree with you.
Notwithstanding Kelly’s previous, it is now that is important.
On two occasions, he has risen to the challenge on dehalf of Celtic and, I believe, his stance carries more weight from being from outside of the Boardroom; i.e., not espousing the official club line.
BBC Scotland news do a piece about sectarian offences without mentioning that RCs are the victims in 60% of the incidents!!! Wtf
EDM 17:52,
When I first read that yesterday I thought that the BBC website had been ‘Aw-Naw’d’. Even the prosecutors name had me belly-laughin. On reflection though, this guy is obviously ill and should “be more pitied than scorned” as my old gran used to say.
What intrigued me about the story was the court being told how he had been warned already by the polis to stop (as he stood on a chair with a red hand flag on his back shouting sectarian abuse) I.e. at which point was the offence committed.
HH
well well what a kerfufful
the illicit /offensive singing bill gets it’s first victim and the LL MSM (cheeks and arses ) give it big licks for nearly a week ,throw in the police and the stat brigade and hey presto the only European clubs fans to have been given a fair play award have become the centre of controversy .
Meanwhile the club who have employed a non catholic signing policy until UEFA threatened them with a banning order have faded into the background .
PARANIOD you bet your life I am
hail hail
ThisIsTheTwo
Yeah, a fantasy situation. He didn´t know it might offend anyone! Chortle.
Have not been happy with the Club and their lack of comment over the past week or so in defense of us.
I was hoping they were keeping their powder dry till some formal comment was made following the SPL and UEFA reviews.
I am now convinced that this is the case. The government produced stats the way the wanted them presented and the club issued a pretty stiff, and supportive, rebuttal within two hours.
Well done, Celtic; much more like it.
Now, let’s gub this mob tomorrow
My dear,dear,dear,friend..The Singing Detective..
Yep..
Ah see that ye caught the “Vito” name..in Ma Blurb..
Noo.. Fargo’s pal. cum Boady Guard.. soitenly wid ..
Stiffen Up oor Leaky Faucet throo the Middle.. Ah hiv nae doot
Howevah…
Ah hiv Bestowed that Illustrious Moniker..oan.. oor Ain Victor..
Wanyama…in this case.
As ye probably hiv Sussed..
Ah am No too confident aboot a Victory fur Us.. ra Morra..
Sure, Ah should be Gung Ho .. confident… and awe that good Stuff.. but,
The Sad Condition of oor Present Injury.. . FREE LIST..which is No tae be
confused wi oor… Monumental ..INJURY LIST…
is A Somewhit.. Cause fur Pause..
Lenny,is Right up agin the wa.. because of the Lengthy List of Players.. Who wull be …NOT AVAILABLE..fur Selection.
Like Ah hiv said..
He wull be a Bit o’ a Magician if He kin Pit oot a Team tomorrow who wull
Hiv the “TRUE GRIT” which wull Be Needed..tae Staun up tae These Northerner
Hashers and Bashers.. fur that is whit Ah believe we wull be up agin.
Ah say that. Because when Ah look over the Names .. whom he has Available fur Selection.. My Hert.. taks a Flutter..
The Only Name.. Besides Wanyama.. if He plays.. is Young Jim Forrest .. and Mebbe
young Matthews. ..amont those whom Ah believe wull be full of Fight..
Ah hiv bin disappointed in the Fight that Kayal is Showing so far this season
and Maist of the Rest of the Players,fur that matter, who are available in the Celtic First Team Pool.
Nice Chatting
Kojo
yer pal..who likes ye mair and mairer.
You hire an agent to get the best possible deal in negotiations with your employer then you ask your employer to pay your bill! This coming from our club captain is beyond belief perhaps we should be telling him were to go and try and get as much for him in the next transfer window.