In his Q&A session with the Daily Record yesterday, outgoing SPFL chairman, Ralph Topping touched on the subject of who knew what when, regarding Rangers slide into liquidation saying:
“There wasn’t one single person ever who envisaged this case happening. You tell me who pointed out that this was going to happen – did you?
“The biggest assumption about the set-up in the SPL would be that you would have Rangers and Celtic playing in it in perpetuity – nobody thought that those two bastions of football would ever be involved in anything like this and nobody flagged it up.”
Well, in October 2011 I knew. This CQN article from 27 October 2011 notes in very specific detail Rangers were going to liquidate, a phoenix would be created which wanted direct access to the SPL (the top flight at that time). I got the timing wrong, predicting the phoenix would take place during the season, but to be fair, it later became clear this was Craig Whyte’s plan at the time.
Ralph Topping’s SPL knew too. Rangers alerted them to the situation that very month. The SPL spend November, December and January preparing the ground for Rangers administration and liquidation, a period during which a new TV deal was signed.
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Mike in Toronto
I must look up that book you refer to .like many others I follow the teachings of the Blessed Zheng Zhi ( hopefully he will return amongst us fit )
Who can forget
” Never judge a man until you have walked two moons in his adidas sambas ! ”
Or
” It is easier for a fat man to pass through the eye of a needle -slightly greased ”
Or
“If at first you don’t succeed -then maybe golf is not for you ”
I must go now …my work here is done …
Auldheid – I salute your continued efforts over the last six years.
Respectfully, would draw your attention to Roosevelt’s Man in the Arena speech (Sorbonne, 1910).
Critics of Auldheid could do worse than check it out too.
Hail hail
Auldheid,
Firstly I am sorry if you felt I was calling your integrity into question. That’s a step much to far and I apologise unreservedly for that.
I think however your outlook on life is allowing your perception of complexity in everything to blur just how simple all of this really is. I believe that the powers that be (including Celtic) have created an illusion of complexity and that you are simply falling into that.
Let’s take some very simple things:
Res 12 – Celtic have offered absolutely no compelling reason why they aren’t pursuing this either with UEFA or legally. They just don’t want to do it.
LNS and the concept of no competitive advantage. The argument that there is no competitive advantage is patently absurd. The concept that, given a material change in circumstances (per the ebt ruling)., that the SPFL are powerless to act is also patently absurd. Their own rules were broken as were sfa rules. They just don’t want to apply them to their favoured club.
The continuity myth – nuff said!
Now the corrupt bodies can try and add as much complexity as they like but let’s turn to lennybhoys question earlier today.
Lennybhoys you asked
“What would make you happy, satisfy you that the PLC are working to stand up for us, the Celtic Support and for the good of Scottish Football?”
You know what. All it would take, in my opinion, is for Celtic to openly express their disgust at the absurd position the authorities have got themselves into and openly state they have lost confidence in the sfa and the SPFL. That they call for a full judicial review. If the Scottish racist institutions circle the wagons and defeat Celtic then so be it. But be vocal, be angry, question everything and make their bloody lives an uncomfortable misery. Stand up for what is right and if defeated go after them all at every turn.
It would unite the support, create a cause for us to rally behind and it would lead to real change because positions wouldn’t be tenable, real scrutiny would result. There would be no hiding place for many.
The authorities are simply playing a game with us. And when it gets difficult to justify they hide behind false complexity ( we legally can’t do anything blah blah blah).
Worse than that auldheid you don’t care about title stripping? Really?
So cheating is okay for you is it? Is it just not the polite thing to talk about at parties? A bit distasteful is it?
The authorities will just fudge this so called governance review. How on earth can you trust any oft here people ( and I include the Plc in that).
You see it’s too late for the PLC now. They placed their bets with the Hun for money and now lawwell and co are up to their necks in it. They are completely compromised and can’t go back down because the ugly truth ( involvement if the 5 way agreement etc etc) would come tumbling out and then all of the Celtic support would see the naked truth.
So the die is cast. There is no going back. You will be stonewalled behind the so called web of complexity forever.
I remember I was sitting in a hotel room in Geneva when I heard the Huns had gone into administration. We knew they were in serious trouble. I was beside myself with glee. Jumping around the hotel room. That evening I was having dinner and I began to think about what happens next. And it struck me. Celtic were in serious danger here. They had to do something that they had only occasionally done (the tircolour debacle and farrygate Spring to mind). They had to,stand up to the racists and cheats, for the more I thought the more I thought that the corrupt Scotland would simply find a way to make it all go away. And so it has proven.
Every time Celtic have seriously challenged the sfa etc when their cheating was exposed they have one.
It just takes courage and a moral compass.
Seems our Plc have neither.
I came to the conclusion around 2 years ago that Celtic were already dead. This will, slowly, kill Celtic. As radio head sang “you do it to yourself, you do, and that’s what really hurts.
Sometimes it just takes a while to realise your dead sometimes.
It’s desperately sad. The board are counting on short memories and football success to distract us all. But hey their parsimony on the field will soon take one of those away.
Tragically it was always much bigger than football this. It was about Scotland’s racism. But it seems, with the boards help, the racists will win.
And through all of this. Where has CQN asked searching and serious questions of the board?
Not once?
What does that tell you?
The first poster on page 67 wins wee Paddy Roberts.
Neg2 8.53pm
Think that was yet another wee dig at our host, or if you are taking about CQN in general I think you are way off the mark, I always type in here about my family & friends, I can assure you through the Res12 bhoys and other posters CQN is asking plenty of questions, again if it wasn’t for P67 where would you be remonstrating your displeasure ? Or are you doing stuff we don’t know about the cheating ???
Awe_Naw_Nae_New_Nightime_Article_Anaw_Noo_Either
Tell you what ,I have Celtic T V,and no way, I am cancelling my subscription, nor my season ticket,I have said before, the big problem with our club,is the present lot of directors, they fleece us at every opportunity, but we get nothing in return,So were is all the Celtic for change men,not the ones who want to Chuck it,
Timbhoy1
So you want to criticise people who refuse to pay to watch rigged football?
But you are quite happy to pay to watch the cheating.
Maybe you should rethink that.
HH
BACK TO BASICS – GLASS HALF FULL
Good shout…
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, and comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
Hot Smoked @4:49 and BEATBHOY @ 4:50…
Sevco’s remarkable run of home cup draws?
Now I don’t trust the blazers in the Hampden bunker as far as I could throw them. However I don’t know how they could practically arrange for all these home draws given the event is televised and a number of ex-Celts, not to mention a merry Rod Stewart have taken part.
So a cautionary note.
In the Scottish Cup from March 1966 to January 1975, we were drawn at home in 20 of 24 ties. Indeed, from March 1966 to February 1973 we never played a Scottish Cup tie outside Glasgow having been drawn away only twice and the opposition being Partick Thistle and Clyde (we drew both these matches!).
Also, from March 1969 to February 1973 we were drawn at home in 11 consecutive ties.
So, it can happen.
Live TV coverage is of course a different matter.
Anyway, I trust the powers that be at Celtic Park are working on our battle plan and fulsome response to the nonsense we have been subjected to in the last week – and over the course of these past few years.
Good luck to the Celts on Wednesday.
NEGANON2 on 31ST JULY 2017 8:48 PM
Thanks for your reply, if I can pick out a couple of bits of your reply:
“…You know what. All it would take, in my opinion, is for Celtic to openly express their disgust at the absurd position the authorities have got themselves into and openly state they have lost confidence in the sfa and the SPFL. That they call for a full judicial review…”
I want what you want, I live in hope, time may have dragged on, too much time but I think Celtic will make a stance, time will tell if I or you are correct.
Second bit:
“…Worse than that auldheid you don’t care about title stripping? Really?
So cheating is okay for you is it? Is it just not the polite thing to talk about at parties? A bit distasteful is it?…”
Not sure if this part of your reply is directed at me and something you think I either posted or inferred. I don’t recollect posting that I didn’t care about title stripping, if I did I stand corrected. If you took the inference that I think title stripping or cheating is okay let me clarify.
Cheating is not okay and the liquidated club did cheat for more years than I can count. A full juidicial review is the only way forward. The judicial review should decide on what sanctions should be handed down. All of that said, in my personal opinion the titles should be stripped, an asterisks placed in the record books for every trophy they cheated us and other Clubs out of.
As I say I believe Celtic will come out fighting and I hope I am right and that you are wrong.
Again on a personal level I would love it to see detractors like yourself know that Celtic are prepared to stand up to the cheating deidco and to the establishment.
Not having a pop at you, I was just curious what would make you happy, thanks for replying.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Neganon2
Good man apologising to Auldheid.
Sadly there is so much in your post that I agree with.
It’s scary. And a very well constructed argument.
Now if only we could corroborate your Celtic supporting credentials!
As at times, although I side with you a lot with regards this debate at other times I’m left wondering if you are a Tim or an interloper. Apologies if that offends but at times you come across poorly from a Tim perspective.
MWD
Neganon, Celtic , Happy, in one place at one time..
Oh look there’s Bigfoot.))
Lennybhoy
Excellent post, Celtic have far too much to lose if they do nothing, even the Celtic fans I know who don’t do the internet want our club to stand up to the cheats
Apply the rules
Lennybhoy
What makes you think the blazers/huns will pay any heed to a judicial review. They have already sneered at and ignored a judgement from the highest court in the land.
HH
This is not a criticism of anyone, just a wee question.
Does anyone care to hazard a guess on the consequences of Celtic making a statement criticizing the cheating, the continuity myth and the corruption at the higher echelons of football governance in Scotland?
Would we risk punishment and sanctions from the SFA or SPFL?
UEFA?
Is calling for a judicial review with specific guidelines the first step in a schism in Scottish football?
What are the risks and rewards in calling for wholesale clean up of the Augean stables?
GB section reopened but some fans remain suspended? How many still barred? Anyone aware of numbers?
Twist n Turns 9.37pm
I think it’s after 5/8/17 Hearts game another own goal by the board if they knew the “guilty” fans why the blanket ban
INVINCIBLE ‘GG
I think it’s incredible that there should be any calls for a review, The SFA And The SPFL are refusing to accept a judgement from the highest court in the land and are also refusing to apply their own rules regarding illegal registration and payment of players.
I can’t think of a country in the world apart from Scotland where this would take place in a sporting context.
Just shows how far and wide and how deep and how long the corruption is..
#applyourrules
TGM
When a judicial review was first mooted I said the self same thing, they will ignore it, they are a law unto themselfs, they have ignored the SC judgement cos it didn’t suit them.
A fan funded judicial review IMO is throwing your hard earned down the drain.
What will a review tell us that we don’t already know, they cheated, the sfa and the spl colluded with them, RC Ogilvie is as bent as a nine bob note, I could go on and on and on, of course they will ignore it.
The highest court in the land have confirmed they cheated HMRC and all of scottish football, END OF.
HH
That’s what I was wondering Gerry. I’m assuming video evidence has been used? How can you choose who is banned without evidence? Is anyone still banned assumed guilty? Bit of a strange outcome . Have the ‘guilty’ fans been informed they’re still banned and told why? Very odd
Invincible GG 9.34pm
The rules were broken we should all focus on the rule breakers whether the Sfa or UEFA agree, the ole UEFA are stickler for the rules even for the subs…. never mind the “improper registrations” where players would not have signed if tax has to be paid i.e. cheats
GFTB
How many own goals before supporters start losing faith in the competence of the PLC? Bearing in mind that of the 5 recent UEFA charges, the PLC were responsible for 4 of them.
HH
THE GREEN MAN SAYS SACK THE BOARD on 31ST JULY 2017 9:26 PM
In a nutshell, I don’t. However, an independent judicial review must carry some weight, although I am unsure if their findings can be actioned as I am no legal expert.
I would add and agree with you that the establishment thus far has put the metaphoric two fingers up to us and the other Clubs in response to the highest Court in the land but it is now a part of history, the highest Court in the land has found them to be cheats. I cannot predict the outcome of judicial review but if they found them guilty and the establishment was complicit, it would be very hard for them to hide.
The biggest problem could be in funding the judicial review, we may be asked to stump up, I for one will.
As NEGANON2 posted:
“…All it would take, in my opinion, is for Celtic to openly express their disgust at the absurd position the authorities have got themselves into and openly state they have lost confidence in the sfa and the SPFL. That they call for a full judicial review. If the Scottish racist institutions circle the wagons and defeat Celtic then so be it. But be vocal, be angry, question everything and make their bloody lives an uncomfortable misery. Stand up for what is right and if defeated go after them all at every turn…”
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
goodnight all
I’ve already gave my opinion re the GB, that being they need to toe the line on pyros and ‘ non PC banners’
Can’t see how this latest statement makes sense though? The board need to clarify how many still banned and more importantly… why? Evidence based? Geographically chosen based on seat position? Intelligence? Guilty by association?
How was this decision reached? Curious….
Twists 9.43pm
Big brother is always watching, Celtic know who the GB are, they’ve even told Police Scoddland (alledgedly) the fact our board didn’t not allow around 820 fans into the Rosenborg game is a disgrace and this statement is the proof they knew who they were “nor allowing” into the stadium…. I think the PLC are starting to realise they might be on the same wavelength as UEFA but miles apart from the fans
Hopefully cheats never prosper
BenJohnsonwasacheatCSC
TET
We are on the same page on this, have been for a while:)
The Law….Ha Ha Ha Ha, absolutely hilarious:)
There is one determining factor only. MONEY
Refuse to give them money, all the cheats will squeal like piggies:)
HH
GFTB and SP
I agree that Regan and Doncaster have played fast and loose with their treatment of the establishment club and its loutish fan base.
What concerns me is knowing if there are consequences to the board acting to call out the associations?
Is there anything in the rule book that forbids member clubs from taking any actions which would bring the association into disrepute?
Could they sanction us?
Deduct points?
Impose fines?
If there is then I would like to know the full extent of the risk involved.
is there the prospect of a pyrrhic victory?
INVINCIBLE ‘GG
didn’t someone post the other day that’s exactly what Rangers did about the transfer ban, they took the SFA to court and the court ruled that the SFA had overstepped the mark..
So much stuff to remember in the last five years and so much crooked stuff still to come out in my view..
Tip of The Iceberg CSC
TheGreenMan 9.44pm
The board are playing a stinker, they are dividing the support far more than the media and the Sfa put together
Am hoping they call the cheats out and if any Celtic board member tries to accommodate the cheats well the games a bogey….. although I live in hope that good does overcome the bad
Anybody asked what our 29% nearly owner thinks of the decades of cheating, if he was annoyed about the Ronny Delia semi final surely he must be peed off with the decades of being played as a fool from kid-on businessmen
The latest statement by Celtic against Celtic fans is just rediculous.
These guys have created the situation that saw stewards a police block passageways making for unsafe spectating.
These guys = PLC
And we are asked to trust they will act in Celtic’s best inteeest.
More chance of Stuart Reghun and NEIL Huncaster being knighted by Queenie for services to the honest regulation of Scottish football.
MWD
Lennybhoy
The Blazers are a law unto themselves. These people passed a convicted tax cheat as a fit and proper person.
The Law in Scotland, is Hun Law. The sooner people realise that, the better.
You will get nothing from a Judicial Review, but more duplicity.
Money is the God. That is where the collective power of Celtic Supporters lies. In their ability to cut funds to those clubs and organisations that sanction blatant cheating.
You will get nothing from the law, but Masons. Ask Milne of Aberdeen how it works.
HH
My seat number at Celtic Park is 27. Wee Paddy wore the number 27. It can only mean one thing….
If we get past Rosenborg, it’s happening. The wee man is home sick, mingling with Galacticos just doesn’t cut it. His wee dog is missing the moonlight walks with KT.
One big effort on Wednesday and wee Paddy is coming home.
MWD,
No idea what the police strategy was supposed to be. In the first half they filled the stairways then withdrew in the second to the stairwells albeit in reduced numbers. Clowns.
Me and Paddy share the same middles name as well. It’s now certain.
So my brother and myself, on the train and then off it again. Under the railway line by the river, through the park and up the hill. Lucky the gate was open so in a moment I was on the spot where Tommy hit the equaliser. Then where stevie added the winner. A bit of limbo dancing i was standing at the very place big billy lifted the big cup.
Happy brothers.
hail hail.