The document from Uefa to the Resolution 12 team, which emerged online over the weekend, is genuine. The headline part of this correspondence was always going to be Uefa confirming that whatever errors or omissions on the part of Old Rangers and the SFA’s Uefa vetting process, no further action was possible as New Rangers are a “new club/new company”.
Priceless, I know, but a delightful wee surprise, though it was, the status of Newco Rangers wasn’t the purpose of Resolution 12. Res 12 was about SFA process and accountability.
There was a great deal of correspondence with media figures since the letter was produced. It’s probably worthwhile noting the chronology of correspondence:
Uefa wrote to the Res 12 team on 6 June, copying the SFA and Celtic. After this date Grant Russell at STV asked Uefa for an update and received pretty much the same information that was sent to the Res 12 guys, without the supporting “new club/new company” line.
You may be of the view that after receiving the 6 June letter, the SFA could have asked Uefa not to offer such information in future (the layers of this story are endless). We’ll never know, but the horse had already bolted.
As correspondence on Res 12 continues, the team decided not to attempt private conversations with Uefa while making correspondence public, which is why this leak didn’t come from the Res 12 team. But I’m glad it’s out. It’s the definitive and irrefutable reference point on the status of Newco Rangers, and it’s on Uefa headed notepaper.
I don’t expect I’ll be goaded about Res 12 online as often going forward.
While we’re on the subject of the SFA: Craig Thomson, take a look at yourself. You know this is not good enough. Your decision-making this season has been atrocious. James Forrest booking, for staying several yards away from the crowd after scoring a goal, was ludicrous, capping a multitude of errors this month.
If only people at the SFA were accountable. Which brings us back to the point above.
Getting nervous about tomorrow. So much on the line……
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GlassTwoThirdsFull on 22nd August 2016 3:18 pm
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Rangers aren’t banned from Europe, nor were they ever. The new club was ineligible to play for the first 3 seasons of their existence. They are now eligible, but just no’ good enough!
Coolmore Mafia
Hootsmon – the same unionist rag who argues the term sevco is sectarian and wont have it on any of their comment pages?
That one?
:-)
VFR800A8
Thanks!
I wonder what the odds are on a Celtic red card against the Dons?
Am I paranoid?
Or mibbe I’m guessing how the system might work this season.
Clogher – it appears, looking at the shenanigans at UEFA, FIFA, the IOC, Qatar etc etc etc that sport is corrupt in every quarter. Celtic face that general corruption and then the discrimination against us in Scotland on top of that.
It doesn’t make me hopeful of a satisfactory resolution.
Greed has ruined sport. Bigotry has put the boot in on top of that.
An Tearmann 3:07
They simply CAN’T attach any blame to Murray. To do that would invalidate the whole nine in a row glory years.
GEORDIE MUNRO
I read on here today that it was 3 yellows for a one match ban.
I shouldn’t take everything I read on here as gospel, although do believe it’s BMCUW Mum’s birthday today!
Best wishes to her Bobby!
Re getting a bigger share of TV money pie (Asia etc.), I can never understand why TV cameras are pointed at a half empty stand. Surely, it’s possible to make sure that the stand opposite the TV gantry is filled first. The sound was great at Saturdays game but what you saw most was the half empty stand opposite the cameras. Seems this year in Spain clubs who don’t address this will be fined.
I am impressed by the amount of money being raised for too important Palestinian charities. Well done everybody.
However…..
I am far from impressed with how the GB have gone about this. I think they could have had a bigger win had they thought this through. A bigger win that did not include putting Celtic at risk. Something that they had no right to do.
An alternate approach might have gone something like this…..
Heritage:
UEFA have an odd view of the world. They think it is ok for Ajax to wave the Israeli flag on account of Ajax having a Jewish heritage. Strange and dangerous logic, in my view, but be that as it may.
UEFA seemingly are ok with Celtic fans flying the Irish flag on account of our Irish Heritage. Fair enough.
But the GB could have started out by talking about an equally important (though very much related) aspect of our Heritage: Charity. Having established that, and made sure it was broadly accepted, they could have announced that, at the Hapoel game, their would be a collected for Palestinian charities. Tough to argue with the humanitarian efforts of the fans of a Club whose history and heritage is steeped in helping the displaced, disaffected and in-danger populations.
Charity:
Thus, all of the flags on display last Wednesday would have been in support of Humanitarian efforts. I suspect that it would have been very difficult for UEFA to lay charges on Celtic FC under these circumstances. As such, the ‘political expression’, is a ‘Charitable expression’.
Embarrassing corporate football:
And on to what appears to be an objective of the GB, sticking it to ‘the man’. In the lead up to last Wednesday’s game, with a backdrop of a charitable heritage, and a well publicized collection in aid of these two charities….the GB could have asked – publicly – that Celtic FC match the amount collected. I doubt that this would have been a problem for Celtic FC.
AND….asked – very publicly – that UEFA also match that amount.
Sure, they could have turned us down. Wouldn’t have looked good, given that such rejection would have become public instantly.
But I doubt very much that they would have taken steps to punish Celtic FC.
Much of the above is just the same ingredients of the story we now have. Just arranged in a different order, and aimed at objectives that virtually all Celtic supporters could get behind. And that Celtic FC would get behind. And that would box UEFA into an interesting corner.
Better planning around clear and commonly held objectives.
Just my 2 cents….
Ronnie
On accumulating 18 penalty points in a League competition, a player will automatically incur a suspension for a number of matches, starting with one match for his first 18 penalty points, and increasing by one match for each successive 18 points accumulation, within a two season period. In effect, a player’s record over the current season and the immediately preceding season will be taken into account.
CAUTIONABLE OFFENCES Penalty Points
2.1 Unsporting Behaviour
a) Obstruction involving bodily contact 2
b) Deliberately tripping 3
c) Recklessly dangerous play 3
d) Deliberately playing an opponent’s leg or legs 3
e) Adopting a threatening and/or aggressive attitude 3
f) Holding or pushing an opponent 3
g) Time Wasting 3
h) Shirt pulling, etc. 3
i) Handling the ball deliberately 2
j) Feigning injury 3
k) Simulation 3
l) Action(s) deemed by the referee to be inflammatory 3
m) All other offences deemed by the referee to be unsporting behaviour 1
2.2 Dissent by Word or Action 3
2.3. Persistently infringing the Laws of the Game 3
2.4 Delays the restart of play or fails to respect the required
distance at the restart of play 1
2.5 Entering or re-entering or leaving the field of play without
the referee’s permission
HTH
KTF
Has Andrea Traverso apologised yet?
As far as I’v been led to believe it’s 6 yellows, but some rules where changed so I’m not sure now?
tonydonnelly67 on 22nd August 2016 3:28 pm
As far as I’v been led to believe it’s 6 yellows, but some rules where changed so I’m not sure now?
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See my post above; it could be as few as 6 yellow cards or as many as 18 depending on the offence.
KTF
All the very best to BMCUW’s mum
HH
Beamishismypint on 22nd August 2016 3:26 pm
Banged on about that a few times. We just get it so wrong at times – Hibs were guilty of that in a couple of their play-off ties, fans in the one corner and top tier and it looked like there was no one there! Killie bad for it as well, putting fans in the back of the section where no one can see them. Madness.
Add to that Police Scotland forcing St Johnstone to halt ticket sales last week when Celtic had sold out.
HH
RobertTressell on 22nd August 2016 3:25 pm
Its quite amazing, when you think about it, that they still can’t keep us down.
HH
Vfr,
Imagine Broony picking up 17 bookings for failing to retreat far enough at a free kick!!??
The huns would be raging at some ufh conspiracy :)
HH
vfr800a8 on 22nd August 2016 3:21 pm
Aye, I know that. The STV article said they were banned. Complete guff. I was hoping the author might be lurking and could maybe put up a link to the UEFA website explaining about the “ban” he claimed they had.
I did a search just to see if he might have came across something which could have – ahem – “confused” him!
See my post above; it could be as few as 6 yellow cards or as many as 18 depending on the offence
Yes I saw that, so reading that then, each Celtic player got three pointers on Sat right?
It’s an 18 point penalty then for going into the crowd.
£40K raised on #matchthefineforpalestine. Outstanding!
:-(
Scotland forcing St Johnstone to halt ticket sales last week when Celtic had sold out.
That was a shocking decision IMO, the st. Johnstone stand was half empty, I coulden work that one out? Police state? Hmmmmmm.
I’ve never known a peoples indigntion raise an amount in such a short period of time.
Ooooft
£40,227 of £40k goal
Raised by 2,518 people in 1 day
tonydonnelly67 on 22nd August 2016 3:41 pm
Not sure if its a new tactic but potentially costly going forward for other clubs. Badly managed situation on the part of the police and St Johnstone, who it transpired don’t even have a database of their own supporters details.
HH
I see a lot of posts on here decrying Peter Lawwell, having met him I can assure you that he is Celtic through and through.
I’ve not agreed wih his downsizing strategy and his comments on the loss of income due to the cheating hun monkeys , I suppose that is his job…. A well paid one at that.
We need to look on now.
We have a more than capable manager that has instilled a new confidence in players that I and others had gave up on.
Tomorrow is our goal, stop the bickering and support the hoops. HH
THETIMREAPER on 22ND AUGUST 2016 1:11 PM
Whilst the UEFA letter was pleasing, was res12 not supposed to be about exposing the SFA? Are we now satisfied the SFA acted appropriately? Or are we snatching victory from the jaws of defeat with the letter being used as a compromise?
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Dessybhoy
Just a bit of tidying up.
Nope we ain’t satisfied and a wee bit to go yet.
The prime responsibility is to those who signed up or provided mandate and they will know first when the course has been run.
Has Xavi signed yet?
Robertressell,
I agree much of the Olympics were tarnished by all sorts of corruption at all levels.
Given the fantasy world of soccer, with the added stain of sectarian bigotry in Scotland, it is simply impossible to take anything we are told without suspicion.
The MSM and all traditional forms of mass communication are a mess.
Keith Jackson summed up the whole thing with a surprising note of honesty…
“It sells.”
For those two words I am eternally grateful and it should be his legacy…imo, of course
Weeron,
I enjoyed that read, thanks.
Is it mandatory in the SPFL to have a database on all supporters, season ticket holders yes I get that, but not pay as you go punters surely?
TONYDONNELLY67 on 22ND AUGUST 2016 3:28 PM
As far as I’v been led to believe it’s 6 yellows.
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Ok enough about your record on CQN
:0)
tonydonnelly67 on 22nd August 2016 3:57 pm
The issue was they couldn’t sell to anyone, even their own ST holders who may have wished to buy extra – the way Celtic give priority to ST holders to buy extra tickets ahead of a general sale etc
When Thomson looks in the mirror he will see a large percentage of the Scottish population and all of the mssm.
This is why he does what he does with no scrutiny and press justification.
In an honest environment he would have been called to account many years ago.
An odious cheat who will continue his bias with approval of most of the country.sfa and mssm approval.
He will be one of several who make honest mistakes this season in the pursuit of putting Timmy in their rightful place and restoring the countries natural order.
AULDHEID on 22ND AUGUST 2016 3:50 PM
Ok thanks.
AULDHEID @ 3.50pm
Perseverance Beats Resistance.
Congrats to you and the other Res12 Bhoys. Keep at them. If more funding required please post. You are all forever in our debt. HH
Chance would be a fine thing, who knows?
http://celtsarehere.com/is-the-marquee-signing-we-crave-right-under-our-nose/
SIPSINI
pish.
You cannot have your cake and eat it. Ok they can with the rigid belief system numpties. If it is his job see Cool hand Luke.
This is the problem with our PLC ….. cake and eating it.
Did. PL preside over our club when it was getting continually diddled ?
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Aye and there’s the rub ……. and the financial reclaims right there
HH
I have not been on much recently so apologies if this has been posted before:
Stiliyan Petrov’s dream comeback from leukaemia to professional football has come to an end, with the former Aston Villa admitting defeat in his attempt to play again at the highest level.
Petrov made a return to the Villa first team in pre-season, four years after being forced into retirement by his diagnosis.
But the comeback has proved short-lived, with Petrov conceding that it had not gone to plan and he would not play professionally again, as Villa declined to hand him a new contract.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3751420/Stiliyan-Petrov-s-career-former-Aston-Villa-star-fails-return-following-cancer-treatment.html#ixzz4I4NXfipk
Best wishes Stylian
Weedon
Said much the same the other day in lead up to game.
An attractive banner saying there would be a collection etc to which I’m sure many would support would have told us what was more important. Those receiving or those collecting.
It is the my way or the high way approach that folk object to. We’ll I do. Happy to be persuaded, unhappy being railroaded.
I’d like to know what the decision making process was and how the GB interacted with the SLO.