All week I’ve been telling myself that it is a healthy thing that discriminatory chanting has come under the spotlight prior to Euro 2012. The world needs to focus on those who are unable to find an outlet for their testosterone without picking on the vulnerable.
We know all about discriminatory chanting in Scotland, you could say, we’re up to our knees in it, so I’ve been slightly uncomfortable at the tone to some of the reporting about Poland and Ukraine. It feels a bit like we’ve decided, ‘They have it too, let’s talk about them. Not us’. When I say “us”, I don’t mean you, of course.
Fair enough, I thought, let’s bring this issue out, but at the start of the second half between Netherlands and Denmark when BBC commentator Jonathan Pearce reported “We haven’t heard any racist comments here today. Not when the young, black, Dutch left back got the ball, or at any other time” I figured this is more about xenophobia than racism. Xenophobia about Eastern Europe.
We’re no wiser about how to deal with our testosterone-fuelled under-achievers with a purpose to find than anyone else. In fact, we’re worse for allowing our intellectuals to indulge in the last refuge of the scoundrel.
My money is on the Polish and Ukrainian fans emerging from this tournament with a better reputation than some of their Western European counterparts.
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Green says ‘sack me’. Does that mean we can sack our major shareholder Desmond?
Thought not, stupid huns…
Re Paul McConville and the reporting of his case by Scotland on Sunday, the facts (without the newspaper spin and untested anecdotal evidence) will no doubt be reported in the law journals etc. It will be a “reported case” that we can see for ourselves and can be referred to in other court proceedings.
Funny that the conduct of Rangers FC when examined in the damages claims arising out of the Ibrox Disaster were not thought important enough for the same treatment as Mr McConville’s relatively minor misdemeanours. The Findings of Fact in the damages claim against Rangers went “unreported” and we are left to elsewhere for the findings from that case.
Topically today’s evidence by Campbell Ogilvie in his interview with the Sunday Mail with regard to his time as a Director of Rangers is strikingly similar to that of another former Director of that club, the late David Hope. They both KNEW NOTHING!
In his book “Law Life and Laughter”, former Sheriff, Irvine Smith, QC, quotes from his Findings of Fact in the damages claim against Rangers by relatives of the victims of the Ibrox Disaster. He says more or less that Hope was Hopeless and other directors, managers, and the club records, no better.
QUOTE: “I found the whole evidence in support of the Rangers version unimpressive in the extreme. Mr Hope, in evidence, vacillated among his being unable to recollect such a meeting, his denying any such meeting, his possibly of having the dates wrong, being mistaken, admitting that he could have forgotten, stating that if he had attended such a meeting he would certainly have recalled it, and so on. There was hardly any variation on the theme of equivocation – and on that theme there are many variations – to which he did not resort. The evidence here is such that it had to be read to be believed.
Mr Thornton, the Assistant Manager for Rangers, who Mr Gow said was there though he took no part, similarly in giving evidence, vacillated as to whether he was at such a meeting or whether he simply could not recall having been at such a meeting……………
Owing to the unsatisfactory nature of the evidence for the defenders on this, and on other matters, the minutes of their board meetings had a particular significance. If the verbal testimony of the defenders’ witnesses, however, revealed little, their written records, produced in court, revealed even less. And if the extracts from the records produced in this case were what they purported to be, rarely can an organisation of the size and significance of Rangers Football Club have succeeded in conducting their business with records so sparse, so carelessly kept, so inaccurately written up – if indeed ‘inaccuracy’ is not too mild a word to describe one particular minute – and so indifferently stored.”
Now, back in the day, what did the Sunday Mail write about that?
And what did the football authorities of the day do about such a hopeless club?
You’re way ahead of me. That’s right, S.F.A.
anyone know what time they’re bringing down the red road flats at ?
DBBIA——
Rhinoceros ? ——
Zilch to do with Ionesco but I saw the so called Elektra supergroup Rhinoceros ..
A double bill with those masters of melody – Vanilla Fudge .
Downtown ,down at heel venue in Asbury Park.
It was a long night – a very long night . Truly turgid . That strange American thing of getting loaded on Thunderbird and ludes [man ] and lying on the floor made sense. .
South of Tunis@12:09
The answers to Andrea D’Amico’s questions are
No, No + No
There is a better chance of Pep becoming Hearts new manager than there is of Gattuso being a Rangers player next season
I don’t really closely follow the Irish national side, but feel closer to their supporters than Scotland’s, what an odd feeling that is for someone born brought up, and living their entire life in Glasgow.
Before the separation into a Tartan Army’and the upsurge in Scottish Nationalism, the Scotland side was Ragers in disguise, with a few classy Anglos thrown in, to make up the numbers. From the Ragers Mount Florida end they happily ‘booed’ Jimmy Johnstone, and cheered Willie Henderson, and you’ll note very few of the all conquering Celtic sides have the national caps in a number to match their success, at club level.
When Rangers fans stopped supporting Scotland we we’re taken over by the much more palatable welcomable Tartan Army, but they have no team worthy of their support, and Ireland have been much more successful, moving from tournament to tournament.
Maybe I should go home? – by the way, where was home? where was home for William Wallace, Mary Queen of Scots, or any pre Henry the VIII, – Timmy?
I’m don’t feel Scottish, and I’m not Irish.
I’m Spartucus.
p.s. Mon the Hoops
massive week ahead….the Euro`s will be shaping up, Holland v Germany will be a belter, watch out for te Dutch losing it as their rivals eliminate them in the normal methodical manner. Sorry , am I being xenophobic there?
The CVA comes to pass as well this week, don`t know how that will go at all, Just watched extended hihlights of Argentina V Brazil and on that showing , none of the European sides should waste money coming over for Brazil 2014. Messi`s hat trick was magnificent and the quality of pass and movement from both sides was excellent. the `keepers looked shit right enough.
charles kickham on 10 June, 2012 at 12:09 said:
There’s a link here to the Red Road Flats demo..
The Lighthouse @The_Lighthouse
It’s D-Day today for some of the Red Road flats. Watch the blast here: http://www.redroaddemolition.co.uk/?p=380
Retweeted by Fi Kennedy*
ghuys,
Can you please tell me, what are the chances of this CVA going through next week?
HH
starry plough on 10 June, 2012 at 12:17 said:
many thanks
Shove it their ar ehole Pmcc
BigNan
Dougan v Rangers Football Club Ltd.
Sheriff Court of Lanark at Glasgow
30 January 1973
1974 S.L.T. (Sh. Ct.) 34
(Sheriff J. Irvine Smith)
While spectators were leaving a football ground, an accident occurred on one of the stairways and a number of people were killed or injured. Soon after the accident a disaster fund was set up for the benefit inter alios of those injured and the dependants of those killed in the accident. The football club who owned the ground made a substantial contribution to the accident fund. In due course the relatives of one of those killed in the accident raised an action of damages against the football club as owners of the ground. These relatives had already received payments from the disaster fund. The football club contended (a) that these payments had adequately compensated the relatives for their loss, and (b) that, in any event, they should be taken into consideration in calculating any damages to be awarded, if only to the extent of the proportion attributable to their own contribution to the fund. The relatives claimed that any payments that they had received from the disaster fund were irrelevant when considering the football club’s alleged liability to compensate them for their loss
Sweet baby cheezus, 6 words and I can’t get it right
tyrehoops. I would say it is unlikely that the CVA will be accepted and that will clear the way for liqidation of Rangers and the formation of a new co.This imo is what they have been aiming for since they went into administration.H.H.
G’day Celts whits the craic? Ireland playing footie, I’m in free Derry and the GB are in town, life ……. Oh life!
(thumbs up for Irlanda)
Hx2
Gattuso’s coming back, Wanyama’s away. The ostrich that is the Scottish media has it’s ugly, biased head buried firmly in the sand, untouched by the real world.
tyrehoops
“Can you please tell me, what are the chances of this CVA going through next week?”
2 chances por cierto..
JFH
Ta
HH
Big Nan
http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Rangers+-+Falling+Masonry
Mary Queen of Scots lived in an ole deluxe gazebo, surrounded by minstrels and calf eyed Italian fops serenadin’ her with the ole lute, and sackbut.
Meanwhile outside ole J.Knox was marchin’ around like Sandy Jardine, quotin’ the Ole Testament and spoutin’ forth hell fire and damnation.
brendan-behan on 10 June, 2012 at 12:22 said:
BigNan
Dougan v Rangers Football Club Ltd.
Sheriff Court of Lanark at Glasgow
30 January 1973
1974 S.L.T. (Sh. Ct.) 34
(Sheriff J. Irvine Smith)
……………………………
That’s right they (Rangers) wanted the money from the Lord Provosts fund that was comprised of charitable donations should be deducted from any award of the court.
Shameless doesn’t even start to describe them.
Bourne
Well said,Scotland doesn’t deserve to be supported,not just because of the cabal who have always run it but also because of the lack of will to change it for the better from neutrals and I’ve always found the Irish of the south too conservative to be attracted to support them.
Paul McC
Keep the heid up.
There will be no CVA.
Liquidated and all assets sold to pay creditors.
Rangers no more 2012.
Several months of scrambling about until a new club is formed which can apply for membership to SFA.
If they’re lucky.
bournesouprecipe on 10 June, 2012 at 12:14 said:
We sat here in Mayo a few years ago in the company of Bobby Murdoch, Davie Provan and Frank McGarvey who were over promoting something. One of the Irish lads naively remarked that “You must have a colossal amount of caps between you”.
After they toted up the caps they informed us between them they had 29 caps for. Scotland.
This from three men who between them had played over 900 games for Celtic and scored over 250 goals.
It just reinforced to me that the 2 Scotland games I had attended were 2 too many.
Just watching the Mark Daly programme-at last-and discovered that TICKETUS are based in Old Bailey,EC4.
Yearsago,I had a client at the same address,no 20,called CANDOVER INVESTMENTS,who are stll there.
Seems likely that they will be the ultimate owner of Ticketus.
From my recollection of Candover,they are unlikely to roll over.
Wish I’d watched this before…….
Big Nan
Their football club throughout history is a true declaration of all that they are. Cheating, lying has become the norm, a way of existence. They live and prosper by these means. Low morals and low self-esteem. But in this country they are legion and Scotland is a circus, where right is wrong and wrong is heralded.
MayoD
Murdoch won a total of 12 caps for Scotland,[1] scoring six goals. This was a comparatively low total of caps, but he had to compete for selection with Pat Stanton and John Greig.[2]
Fierce competition eh?
Charles kickham
I think the flats at Red Rd were coming down at 10am mate.
Charles Green
@1.49
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18369796#asset
“what we are doing in that is saying that the history, the tradition, everything that is great about this club is set aside.
Why?”
How about there is nothing “great” about Rangers?
How about there is nothing in that history or tradition that is not based on patronage and arrogance and was fairly gained?
Maybe that is why.
14 arrests in Poznan following a brawl
10 Poles, 3 Irish + 1 Croat held
Pat Stanton got 16 caps
John Greig got 44
Hmmmmmmm
CVA?
Hector says NO!!
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 10 June, 2012 at 12:50 said:
Perhaps they have rebranded themselves as HANDOVER INVESTMENTS?
Ten Men Won The League on 10 June, 2012 at 12:57 said:
Poles and Croats claiming it was an ambush ;)
14 arrested in Poznan following a brawl,3 of them Irish,10 Poles and a Croat.
NEW ARTICLE POSTED!
Vmhan on 10 June, 2012 at 13:07 said:
NEW ARTICLE POSTED!
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Where?