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The annual KPMG Football Benchmark included Celtic for the first time, this year.  The report provides an Enterprise Value for elite clubs, which are otherwise often ranked by simple revenue or coefficient point tables.

While there is often talk of the ‘big five leagues’, 21 of the 32 clubs are from either England (9), Italy (6) or Spain (6).  Germany and France have three each, while Turkey (population >80m) lost their third club this year and now have just two.  Ajax, Benfica and Celtic are the remaining three.

The inclusion of Benfica and not Porto, tells the story of the formers dominance of Portuguese football in recent seasons, winning five of the last six titles.  Ajax runs counter to this argument, having won their first trophy in four years this month, although I hear they have done well in European competition recently also.

There are no clubs from Greece, Switzerland, anywhere in Eastern Europe, Belgium or Scandinavia, all territories we would expect to compete for Champions League spots with.

Being on the list, in itself, is not going to put break on the table, but it has value, nonetheless.  Players of exceptional value will continue to leave Celtic for wages well in excess of what they can earn in Scotland until league structures change.  But the fees Celtic have been able to command are significantly less than what Ajax or Benfica can get for similar talent.

This is because the grade of our domestic competition inhibits what we can test here.  Being the best central defender in Scotland is worth less than being the best central defender in the Netherlands, as talent in the Netherlands is valued higher.  This metric is an inhibitor on Celtic.

It was JFK who said, “A rising tide lifts all boats.”  If Celtic central defenders are rated higher, this reflects in the value of those who score against them, so everyone in Scotland should benefit from our inclusion.  Celtic being dominant is good for all.  As a consequence, the Scottish Premiership is a quoted league.  I know it’s hard and football does not really work this way, but the rest of them should be happy for us.

I also over promised on this stuff (below) if we won the Treble Treble.  Orders have been placed…

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  1. Fool Time Whistle on

    Morning Paul,

     

     

    Let’s hope our own rising tide is effective for club unity.

     

     

    HH

  2. traditionalist88 on

    Suggested we look at this guy 2 weeks ago….didnt think we’d have competition from Barca though…

     

     

    And at any rate, not a chance we’d pay that fee for a 32 year old. Girona shouldnt be hard to deal with given they’re relegated but not sure what their financial situation is like.

     

     

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    Celtic have been linked with a move for striker Cristhian Stuani.

     

     

    The Uruguyan international was part of the Girona side which was relegated from La Liga despite netting an impressive 19 goals in 32 appearances.

     

     

    Valued at around €10million Euros, Stuani is available for €7million, according to Futbol Radio Formula in Mexico where there is interest from Monterrey, one of the country’s biggest sides.

     

     

    The same source speculate that Celtic and Nottingham Forest are keen on the 32-year-old, as are Barcelona who see him as a back-up for Luis Suarez.

     

     

    In Spain, AS note that a Scottish club want to sign the player.

     

     

    Stuani has previously played in the UK having joined Middlesbrough in 2015 from Espanyol. But after 16 goals in 67 appearances on Teeside he returned to Spain where he has hit 40 goals in the last two La Liga campaigns.

     

     

    Only Suarez and Lionel Messi have scored more.

     

     

    Stuani has a respectable scoring record throughout his career and on the international level has score eight goals in 48 caps for Uruguay.

     

     

    https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/celtic-keen-on-7m-uruguayan-international-striker-but-face-competition-from-barcelona-1-4936919

  3. EDDIEINKIRKMICHAEL on 29TH MAY 2019 11:41 AM

     

    Izzy leaves club after knocking back new deal. Things are beginning to take a rather depressing shape if this the level of those deemed suitable for back up in the squad

     

     

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    Should we really be surprised , I’m certainly not ,

  4. EDDIEINKIRKMICHAEL on 29TH MAY 2019 11:41 AM

     

    Izzy leaves club after knocking back new deal. Things are beginning to take a rather depressing shape if this the level of those deemed suitable for bacvbk up in the squad

     

     

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    Should we really be surprised , I’m certainly not ,

  5. glendalystonsils on

    I like Izzy but there’s no way he should have been offered another deal . He is nowhere near the Player he was and that was plainly exposed when we had to use him this season.

  6. Ftw

     

     

    Disunity -where?

     

     

    Over poor pr?

     

     

    1Celtic goin for 9iar

     

     

    I suspect you are in

     

    Me tae

     

     

    Still to see a pr/marketing exercise heid a baw thro like the wan Mikel did oan saturday for french ed.

     

     

    HH

  7. glendalystonsils on

    AN TEARMANN on 29TH MAY 2019 1:08 PM

     

     

    Not forgetting Mikels diving header to score at the sheepies. His legs might have gone but his heid’s still in working order.

  8. Fool Time Whistle on

    AT

     

     

    If it’s bother you mean, then I’m always in it… :o)))

     

     

    I think Izzy got an attractive offer elsewhere.

     

     

    Then again, maybe I’ve had too much coffee already.

     

     

    It’s only 8.20 here. It’s 76 degrees & will top out at a sweaty 97 later today.

     

     

    My grandson, aged 9, is delighted to be part of the academy for Charlotte Independence.

     

    They are managed by Jim McGuinness, ex Celtic U20s coach & All Ireland Champion player & manager.

     

    Manny Perez & Andrew Gutman are on loan there from Celtic.

     

     

    For those who coach for free or for buttons in UK etc the cost to parents for their children being coached as part of that Academy would knock you bandy. Deep pockets required.

     

     

    My grandson is a good player but money still talks….

     

     

    HH

  9. GlassTwoThirdsFull on

    Traditionalist88

     

    Thanks for the reply.

     

    I agree that most managers wouldn’t be willing to jump ship at some random point (although we know that DOES happen!). If you are keeping an eye on 10-15, half might rule themselves out straight away but you still have 6 or 7 which you can whittle down to maybe three serious contenders. A DOF could do this stuff. Why not even make contact with some of them even when you are not looking? Then when you are looking maybe they will choose you above other options because they appreciate the interest you showed in them earlier in their career.

     

    It just feels like we are a bit “old school” when it comes to appointing managers. What happens when Neil leaves – does Desmond go to Lawwell and say “right Peter, last time you got Neil Lennon, this time I want Davie Moyes”? For a club our size, turnover and (supposed!) ambition I think we can do better.

     

    Re playing style. I think you can have a clearly defined style which shouldn’t need to be changed too much between games. I think the days of parking the bus in Europe and beating the top teams with 30% possession have gone. Look at the way Ajax played this season. I think that’s what BR was trying to do and I don’t think we should throw the baby out with the bathwater. Contrary to the popular view, for me the heavy defeats were due to poor defending rather than playing style (and I did do some analysis on this).

     

    Anyway, always good to get the views of someone with a different opinion to my own. Keeps the mind open. Apologies again for length!

  10. Fool Time Whistle on

    Mark Hill, Celtic youth player, is on loan at Charlotte Independence too.

  11. GlassTwoThirdsFull on

    Chairbhoy

     

    Good post and interesting analysis. I have always been sceptical about a European league. I think there are many flaws in the idea (which haven’t really been highlighted) and I sometimes wonder if they just want it hanging around as a threat so they can demand more and more from UEFA.

     

    Supposing it did happen. Would “Rangers” meet your criteria and if not would that be acceptable to the Celtic punter (either version!)?

  12. Fool Time Whistle on

    Glasstwothirdsfull

     

     

    I agree.

     

     

    Celtic need to develop a sustainable football model as opposed to JUST a business model.

     

     

    It is entirely feasible to combine both successfully – you mention Ajax – the perfect example.

     

     

    Continuity & realizable goals within a combined master plan (hate those words).

     

     

    We are producing talent through our academy.

     

     

    We can attract some good players with conditional sell on agreements.

     

     

    When someone says Director of Football I see Harry Rednapp or some such & shudder.

     

     

    Master Plan CSC

  13. Fool Time Whistle on

    AT

     

     

    Seriously, it seems that some are sitting on their hands waiting for things to go wrong just so they can say..

     

    “See I told you so”

     

     

    Mind you, it’s been like that off & on since I can remember..

     

     

    Same patter, different year.

  14. !!Bada Bing!! on

    HENRY JOY on 29TH MAY 2019 1:30 PM

     

    Have Celtic confirmed Izzy was offered a new deal?

     

     

    Izzy did a couple of weeks ago,said he was hoping for a longer deal in MLS,nearer home…..

  15. GLASSTWOTHIRDSFULL @ 1:38 PM,

     

     

    Yes, I’m very sceptical about the European league.

     

     

    It seems to me, as you suggest, a power play…

     

     

    We have UEFA, ECA, the EL etc all vying for position.

     

     

    On top of that you have the mini cartels… British Clubs not wanting to give up the EPL golden goose, the Spanish big guys have got it good…

     

     

    I believe UEFA will win a compromise agreement with the ECA and that a reformatting of the current UCL and UEL will happen to keep the big Clubs in the big Leagues happy.

     

     

    For me, expecting Celtic to come out on top is a long shot. If we maintain something close to what we have, European wise, we’ll be lucky.

     

     

    As far as Rangers go. I was an idealist with that an awe. My thoughts were Rangers would go bust, a new Club would emerge, with huge potential.

     

     

    If that Club had a modern, innovative, forward thinking

     

    Approach it could have been a breath of fresh air, a new dawn for Scottish Football. Wrong!!

     

     

    Of course it wasn’t, SFA, SPL the majority of Scottish Clubs and Celtic all wanted the aul’ Rangers back and the continuity myth was borne… compromising everything that is good on Football.

     

     

    So Im not happy but the old firm is back and I’ll be “enjoying” the events.

     

     

    If Celtic do get into any elite league Rangers will need to be there… a sad but necessary appendage.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  16. Fantastic that Celtic are now on the elite list. This is another step in the Boards campaign to be recognised as an elite club. The stadium improvements, Wi-fi, Sound system and “disco Lights” are part as is the Museum and Hotel. The super 14 final added to the Commonwealth games ticks the boxes.

     

     

    The work going on at UEFA and ECA will all maintain as an elite club and any realignment of the game in Europe may see us included.

     

     

    Now if we could just compete in the transfer markets and on the park in Europe then the Football side could earn us elite status to go with the Commercial elite

  17. traditionalist88 on

    GLASSTWOTHIRDSFULL on 29TH MAY 2019 1:36 PM

     

     

    I don’t know, to me it seems a bit fanciful that a manager may choose us over someone else because we were chatting them up on the side while we had a manager!

     

     

    At the end of the day it all comes down to specifics, and we can’t make any promises while we have a manager in place. In any event we’d probably need permission to talk to managers who were in employment anyway.

     

     

    We could have wasted a whole lot of time talking to AVB over the last year only to find out when we did want him up pops the Marseille job and a couple of jobs in Spain!

     

     

    I’m still in the camp of being adaptable with our playing style. 10-0 in Paris was a possibility. Yes, there were defensive errors but there were serious tactical errors with a number of our players doing the high press and seriously stretching our unit, leaving gaps everywhere. I just don’t think we can realistically go toe to toe with some of these teams, especially away from home, and play such an open game. To me, that is playing into the hands of the better sides….we can’t play like it an even playing field because its not, basically.

     

     

    Said it before on here, PSG have averaged 2.76 goals per game domestically. Last season I think it was higher(~3). Against us, they got 5 and 7. That, for me, was due to a combination of defensive errors and serious tactical misjudgements.

     

     

    Anyway, I’m sure we all agree that we never want to talk about that again!

     

     

    HH

  18. Rock Tree Bhoy on

    Kind of stating the obvious here but we should have a specific 2 season business plan with its sole intention of winningTHE TENbig Peter and Dermot need to face up to this square on. Neil of course should be part of the plan and whatever resources he ask for should be specific with the intention of winning THE TEN. We can rebuild after the ten but big Peter and Dermot need to know that they are the responsible party for getting us the ten (not Neil) and if we fail its all on them, (not Neil) I’m sure they are aware of this.

  19. chairbhoy

     

     

    Rangers as is will fail the criteria to be an elite club. Their Stadium, Financials and non existing commercials would not meet any standard.

     

     

    SFA etc would all press their support but their lack of influence means they will have little luck.

     

     

    I think our Board would be happy to see us elite and Sevco not

     

     

    I would be happy if we never played them again

  20. Paul67 et al

     

     

    If a rising tide can do all that and more just think what a rising sea could do…

     

    Wouldn’t just be Willo Flood we would be worrying about then…

     

     

    putamanonthemooncsc

  21. glendalystonsils on

    BIGBHOY on 29TH MAY 2019 2:34 PM

     

     

    I would be happy if we never played them again

     

     

    I would be delighted.

     

    It’s all ‘what if’s’ regarding some kind of European league and whether that mob would be seeking entry too. One good thing though if it happened , they wouldn’t have the protection of the ‘strong rangers fitba association to pardon all their sins and turn a blind eye to their financial affairs.

  22. Big Georges Fan Club - Hail, Hail, Wee Oscar on

    A rising tide floods all low-lying coastal countries (appart from the Netherlands) and wee South Pacific islands.

     

     

     

    In terms of European performance – I could see some improvement in how we approached some of these games under BR – in many of them we were, for large parts of the games, doing well in terms of ball retention and control, passing, etc. – that was exciting to see. However, we couldn’t sustain that for long enough periods in games, and were completely open at the back during the periods when we didn’t have the ball.

     

     

    So – don’t want to go back to entire backs to the wall performances but definitely need to be harder to gub. The BR-inspired ‘high-press’ when trying to win the ball back is, I think, one of the key factors that got us killed – good teams pass through that quickly and expose the back-line / keeper – thus the doings we received. Need to maintain what advances we made in ball retention and passing, but be prepared to fall back as an organised unit when we lose the ball.

     

     

    HH

     

    BGFC

  23. CHAIRBHOY on 29TH MAY 2019 2:17 PM

     

    GLASSTWOTHIRDSFULL @ 1:38 PM,

     

     

    Yes, I’m very sceptical about the European league.

     

     

    It seems to me, as you suggest, a power play…

     

     

    We have UEFA, ECA, the EL etc all vying for position.

     

     

    On top of that you have the mini cartels… British Clubs not wanting to give up the EPL golden goose, the Spanish big guys have got it good…

     

     

    I believe UEFA will win a compromise agreement with the ECA and that a reformatting of the current UCL and UEL will happen to keep the big Clubs in the big Leagues happy.

     

     

    For me, expecting Celtic to come out on top is a long shot. If we maintain something close to what we have, European wise, we’ll be lucky.

     

     

    As far as Rangers go. I was an idealist with that an awe. My thoughts were Rangers would go bust, a new Club would emerge, with huge potential.

     

     

    If that Club had a modern, innovative, forward thinking

     

     

    Approach it could have been a breath of fresh air, a new dawn for Scottish Football. Wrong!!

     

     

    Of course it wasn’t, SFA, SPL the majority of Scottish Clubs and Celtic all wanted the aul’ Rangers back and the continuity myth was borne… compromising everything that is good on Football.

     

    So Im not happy but the old firm is back and I’ll be “enjoying” the events.

     

     

    If Celtic do get into any elite league Rangers will need to be there… a sad but necessary appendage.

     

     

    Hail Hail

     

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    I was hoping for the same re a new Gers, but I believe all clubs gave in to blackmail.

     

     

    (Green held a gun to their head, – give me immunity and continuity or I walk away) the result of which is the 5 Way agreement, the contents of which of which influenced the LNS ToRs, are playing a part in the delay in resolving Res12 and bedevil the game still.)

     

     

    Now what happens at Ibrox might not seem to be Celtic’s problem but have a look at this:

     

     

    https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/rangers-in-red-line-for-wages-but-good-news-for-celtic-hearts-and-hibs-1-4936820

     

     

    Instead of making sure there cannot be a repeat of 2012, clubs, and Celtic in particular, given the evidence that the UEFA Licensing System is as useful as a chocolate fireguard if a club lies, ( https://www.res12.uk/ ) have been derelict in their duty not just to protect shareholders share value but to protect the game at large.

     

     

    The question is what is being done at Ibrox to change direction? Is it another dash to administration or liquidation that this time, with other clubs healthier than 2012, there is no chance of “RFC continuity” based on fear?

     

     

     

    Or will there be another 4 Way Agreement Between CurrentCo/NewNewCO/SFA /SPFL? that keeps the myth alive?

     

     

    Why not?

     

     

    It seems to have worked for past 7 years despite the stigma the 5 Way has placed on Scottish football (more on that to come btw)

     

     

    Why is this question about “Rangers” financial risk taking not being asked anywhere?

     

     

    Being on a big club list hoping for crumbs from the big boys table means nothing if the domestic game is in jeopardy – AGAIN. Its Candy Floss.

     

     

    What are Celtic doing to make sure the SFA licensing system, that failed to reveal fully Rangers use of ebts even though SFA should have had a list of players holding them, in the form of tax owed to HMRC, from RFC’s 2009 UEFA licence applications under previous UEFA Licensing rules from 2005?.

     

     

    If the SFA did not have the list then both the 2009 and 2010 application for a UEFA licence should have been rejected and Res12 has shown that the 2011 Licence was granted on what appears to be false pretense.

     

     

    Why would that behavior be confined to 2011 when CL money was essential to Rangers survival from 2008? when rather than take steps to cover the tax bills arriving in spring that year, they went on a spending spree to build the team (including ebt players) that won 3 iar from 2009?

     

     

    The biggest danger Celtic and Scottish football face is Rangers being unsuccessful and going bust again. So does that mean a repeat of the “Honest Mistakes” season of 2010/11?

     

     

    If it does happen the Res12 guys could say “you were warned” but the question is “is anyone paying attention ?”

  24. Izzy’s been a good servant to the club .. totally underaratted .. especially in his first spell .. good luck to the wee Man .. wherever he ends up.

     

     

    GiveIzzyaTestimonialCSC ?

  25. Hopefully one of the must haves for Neil to accept the job is a guaranteed budget for players, with no conditions that require a given number of players must be moved on before spending begins.

     

     

    Neil is a smart man and has experience of failure to invest by Celtic. If these assurances are not in place then I’d hope that Neil refuses the job. Anything else is a get out of jail free card more the board.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  26. prestonpans bhoys on

    GLENDALYSTONSILS on 29TH MAY 2019 2:59 PM

     

     

    Their attendance figures would be attractive to the eye of a new potential league however due diligence would show that their finances are built on sand. They could collapse anytime and discredit the new format, so taking that into consideration I could not imagine such a new organisation taking that risk.

  27. Put a line through the Paddy Roberts dream.

     

     

    Off to Norwich.

     

     

    Poor sod…

  28. glendalystonsils on

    PRESTONPANS BHOYS

     

     

    Exactly. They are only barely alive because the SFA don’t know the meaning of due diligence in the case of the Ibrox club.

     

    Without that protective association behind them they would be non viable.

  29. If Izzy has only just left where was he the day we lifted the league title and on Cup Final day?

  30. glendalystonsils on

    BIG WAVY

     

     

    We might manage to snap him up at the end of the season when Norwich go down.

  31. Big Wavy

     

     

    As much as i love Paddy Roberts, with Shved and Arzani (who are quite similar players from what I’ve seen) and wee Karamoko pushing on, i think we should use the money elsewhere

     

     

    B-)

  32. Bhoylo83

     

     

    I agree with you. He was my little boy’s favourite player before he left and there was an excitment he might be coming back.

     

     

    You’re right though. Not a priority – we are well furnished.

     

     

    I think the young guy Harper will be the first in….seems we’ve been rolling out the red carpet.

  33. Ftw

     

     

    Re izzy.am sure you would agree the ball is in his court.he moves on so be it,his contribution to Celtic means he is always welcome ?

     

     

    Thanks for the info on jim macguinness

     

    I wish him every success a gentleman

     

    He brought ‘Sam to the hills’ a Glenties man,bout an hour away from An Tearmann

     

    Met him a few times flyin back.good guy?

     

     

    Would be interesting to know if mark hills is augmenting his educationally) and development) by graduating over there.something akin to what davidweir did pre hearts.hope so.

     

     

    Ah dontcha know play has been privatized :-))

     

    Respect to all parents who taxi weans,buy and fundraise for kit and their wee clubs.it appeared easier back in day and more o us did it.pitches lost and not replaced and if it is the wee clubs then pay in hire

     

     

    no sitting on hands, at our Celtic Ftw ?

     

    Always just trying to do things a wee bit better

     

    And we are doin not bad eh ?

     

    But we can always get better

     

    Thats Celtic :-)))

     

    HH

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