Billy McNeill and Davie Hay met the press at Celtic Park yesterday, along with Alex Gordon, who authored their time as managers of Celtic. It didn’t disappoint……
Billy was self-effacing as ever. For all purposes, today he is an ordinary Celtic fan, so much so you need to remind yourself that there is nothing in the club game he hasn’t done. Yesterday was about his days as Celtic manager but he made the point that Davie Hay was a profound influence on him as a team-mate.
The take-away thought I had on Davie Hay was about his range of knowledge and experience. He has done so much in the game which still pulses in his veins. Does Scotland still produce men of his calibre? If so, why are we not giving them a platform to flourish?
There is tons of great stuff in the book from both men:
“We were already a goal down nine minutes into the second-half when Johnny Doyle was ordered off. As he came off, I remember telling him he would be in serious trouble if we lost.
“I was furious, especially as we were in such a desperate situation at the time.
“Afterwards in the foyer, Jimmy Johnstone, Bobby Murdoch, Mike Jackson, Paul Wilson, Pat McCluskey, Benny Rooney and a whole host of former players were dancing around in amazement.
“Jinky was as happy as I’ve seen him. That win meant so much to anyone with an affiliation with Celtic.”
– Billy McNeill on winning the league against Rangers in 1979.
“I arranged for someone to cut out the stories and pin them to the walls of our dressing room at Love Street.
“I said nothing, but I could see the players reading the clippings. It was having the desired effect. It’s never clever to dismiss Celtic.
“It’s history now that we won 5-0 and Hearts lost 2-0.
“I think I still owe [Albert Kidd] a pint!”
-Davie Hay on winning the league at Love St in 1986.
The book’s great, reading the step-by-step accounts of what happened from the managers’ view, you’ll love it. I know I’m biased but it’s the best thing CQN has done, a wee bit of our history set down on record.
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MORRISSEYTHE23RD
I can see why the club are holding out for the big OF occasions,mate.
After all,it looks like the game in Scotland is going to benefit from sponsorship of The Scottish League Cup,purely on the strength of the upcoming game on Feb 1.
£50k is not to be sneezed at.
Aye,that’s right. £50k. Split between ALL the clubs and the organisers.
Not even a good night out for Ogilvie,that.
CIA…tortured people with no gain…isit….but good news is Britain had no part in it….thank god for that…might have spoiled Wills and Kates wee holiday in the states…bettertogether..handsacrosstheocean….Godblesstheredwhiteandblue..
Gearoid, yes that’s him. Wonder how it will affect his legal career. Probably do him no harm.
Just back from local pub watching Liverpool game with some good football people.
I heard that the agent representing Martin Odegaard was at Lennoxtown last week and asked Ronnie Deila if he would be interested in taking his player in the summer. Apparently the Norwegian wonderkid is very keen to team up with his “mentor” again, as opposed to going to a top European club at such a young age and being “swallowed up” in the system.
I was very doubtful at first until I started to recall how about a week ago, Deila suddenly started hinting in the media about still having a chance of signing the player. I am pretty sure his words were along the lines of “I am in control of the situation”. I remember thinking at the time . . . what does he mean by that? I also wondered why he was suddenly talking about winning the race to sign the youngster.
Anyway, the guy who told me this – a businessman with investments in Celtic – was absolutely bullish in saying that Odegaard will be with us next season on a 4-year contract.
That would take him up to 20 and after that, who knows?
Could it really happen?
kitalba
21:56 on 9 December, 2014
Hamiltontim:
I have known huns equal our charitable ethos. Lots of them, and often and I love it.
Which club’s supporters took Kano on holiday last?
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They weren’t huns they were Rangers supporters. The same type of guys who like my mate did the race night at Parkhead to raise funds for wee Oscar. The same type of Rangers fan whose blog I read earlier tonight praising the compassion, decency and collective responsibility in raising funds for that same wee boy.
They’re decent individuals but their club was rotten to the core.
My devotion to Celtic will never be determined by the action or inaction of a Plc board.
It will fostered and nurtured by those beside me at the game, on the bus or in the pub.
Did I not read on here yesterday that something unpleasant was going to happen to Sevco at 10am this morning?
Could it be the issue of the said ‘cease and desist’ order against them?
BobbyM
I have always thot that their footy debts were not paid, no matter what the msm said.
HH
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DD
I sort of remember that, the old grey matter no what it used to be.
HH
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While I think the add in the Herald or wherever is a good thing, it’s only going to reinforce what we already know, rather than throwing good money away, and it is imo, would it not be better to employ a friendly lawyer who can challenge it in the courts on behalf of a creditor, say the face painter, or the newsagent ?
Just a thought.
HH
Jeez
We’ll hammer them :-)
Celticrollercoaster:
I can’t speak for Kano, it’s been a while since I spoke with him or his wife or Ramie.
In my isolation I think – I think – more than anything – Kano needs outside human contact from friends, to supplement his day to day, minute by minute friends, like his wife and Ramie.
Rangers supporters did pay for his last holiday. To my knowledge and recollection the only holiday he’s ever had since he fell ill.
I may very well be wrong with that. And when we talk about Kanto, Kano’s illness takes a toll on so many people who wish him better, and I am not talking about me either, I’m talking about those who have known his love and share it and some of them wear red/white/blue scarfs.
Pfayr
Apologies I missed your reply until catching up there.
Completely agree, if we’re to have a realistic chance of going through we’ll need real investment in January.
that video of martin odegaard,amazing talent.if ronny could get him hes the sort of player who would bring the crowds back.ronny is best pals with his dad so you never know.the big clubs wouldnt play him coz of his age so come here and play every game.skill balance and vision thats what the wonderkids has got. fifteen years old,iv got socks older than that.
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Rangers forced into U-turn in Charlie Telfer tribunal saga after claiming Dundee Utd used ‘new club’ argument
Dec 09, 2014 21:33
By Record Sport Online
RANGERS had claimed in a statement that United failed to convince the tribunal they were only due to pay two years’ development fee because that’s how long Gers had been in existence – a statement which was later retracted.
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Charlie Telfer
RANGERS have been forced into a U-turn over their claim Dundee United used the new club argument in the Charlie Telfer tribunal.
United were forced to pay the Ibrox outfit £204,000 for the promising youngster by a panel yesterday.
Rangers had earlier put up a statement on their website that the Premiership outfit had failed to convince the panel they were only due to cough up two years’ development fee because that’s only how long the Glasgow club had been in existence.
But after a lawyer representing United had forced Rangers to pull it off their website a new, shorter statement was put up – with no mention of the new club claim.
A United source told Record Sport: “The club were raging at Rangers perpetuating this myth.
“It was and always has been totally inaccurate and the fact that they acted so quickly to change their statement acknowledges that.”
The original Rangers statement read: “Dundee United introduced a late argument stating Rangers should only be awarded compensation for the training and development of Charlie Telfer for two years instead of the 10 years that he was with the Club.
“They argued the club in its current form has only existed for two years.
“It is disappointing Dundee United tried to pursue this tiresome, legally incorrect and provocative argument given that it has been repeatedly confirmed by the football authorities in Scotland and beyond that administration and liquidation of the companies that owned the Club did not break the continuity of the club’s history or its record of honours won.”
However, after being contacted by United’s lawyer, the new statement simply said: “Rangers has received today the decision of the SPFL Compensation Tribunal and are content with the fee Dundee United have been ordered to pay for the training and development of Charlie Telfer who was at the club for a period of 10 years.
The payment awarded, which was significantly higher than Dundee United’s final offer, vindicates the club’s decision to take the matter to a Compensation Tribunal.”
SNS Group Charlie Telfer with his Young Player of the Month award
Charlie Telfer with his Young Player of the Month award
Midfielder Telfer, 19, was out of contract when he moved to Tayside in the summer but Rangers were due a fee under rules governing the movement of players under the age of 23.
With both clubs unable to decide on a fee the matter was settled by the independent panel.
United chairman Stephen Thompson, who attended the hearing alongside Rangers representatives David Somers, Sandy Easdale and Derek Lambias was unhappy at the amount of compensation his club will now have to pay.
He said: “This judgement in our opinion will have a serious impact on the freedom of movement of some young players through no fault of their own.
“Today’s decision protects clubs even in the event that those clubs are responsible for players’ careers being stifled at a critical stage in their development.
“It will restrict the opportunities for some of our most promising young players to gain regular first team football and act as a deterrent to any Scottish football club which wishes to take such players on.
“Today’s decision is completely at odds with the stated aims of our football authorities in respect of encouraging our most promising young players to play first team football at the highest level.
“It highlights the need for parents and young players to choose their clubs very, very carefully.
“Today’s judgment now sets a dangerous precedent that means some of our most promising young players will be deprived of the opportunity to secure a contract at a club where they have been offered a genuine first team opportunity and to improve their earnings purely because the compensation has been set at a ridiculously prohibitive level.
“The sum awarded to Rangers is almost seven times the amount offered to the player under the terms of his new contract with the Glasgow club. “
He said: “This judgement in our opinion will have a serious impact on the freedom of movement of some young players through no fault of their own.
“Today’s decision protects clubs even in the event that those clubs are responsible for players’ careers being stifled at a critical stage in their development.
“It will restrict the opportunities for some of our most promising young players to gain regular first team football and act as a deterrent to any Scottish football club which wishes to take such players on.
“Today’s decision is completely at odds with the stated aims of our football authorities in respect of encouraging our most promising young players to play first team football at the highest level.
“It highlights the need for parents and young players to choose their clubs very, very carefully.
“Today’s judgment now sets a dangerous precedent that means some of our most promising young players will be deprived of the opportunity to secure a contract at a club where they have been offered a genuine first team opportunity and to improve their earnings purely because the compensation has been set at a ridiculously prohibitive level.
“The sum awarded to Rangers is almost seven times the amount offered to the player under the terms of his new contract with the Glasgow club. “
kitalba
22:13 on
9 December, 2014
Hi Kit
I asked the question, as I know that I have been poor in keeping in touch with him in the last year or two and perhaps others have as well.
As I mentioned earlier today, time to right that wrong
HH
CRC
Rangers forced into U-turn in Charlie Telfer tribunal saga after claiming Dundee Utd used ‘new club’ argument
Dec 09, 2014 21:33
By Record Sport Online
RANGERS had claimed in a statement that United failed to convince the tribunal they were only due to pay two years’ development fee because that’s how long Gers had been in existence – a statement which was later retracted.
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Charlie Telfer
RANGERS have been forced into a U-turn over their claim Dundee United used the new club argument in the Charlie Telfer tribunal.
United were forced to pay the Ibrox outfit £204,000 for the promising youngster by a panel yesterday.
Rangers had earlier put up a statement on their website that the Premiership outfit had failed to convince the panel they were only due to cough up two years’ development fee because that’s only how long the Glasgow club had been in existence.
But after a lawyer representing United had forced Rangers to pull it off their website a new, shorter statement was put up – with no mention of the new club claim.
A United source told Record Sport: “The club were raging at Rangers perpetuating this myth.
“It was and always has been totally inaccurate and the fact that they acted so quickly to change their statement acknowledges that.”
The original Rangers statement read: “Dundee United introduced a late argument stating Rangers should only be awarded compensation for the training and development of Charlie Telfer for two years instead of the 10 years that he was with the Club.
“They argued the club in its current form has only existed for two years.
“It is disappointing Dundee United tried to pursue this tiresome, legally incorrect and provocative argument given that it has been repeatedly confirmed by the football authorities in Scotland and beyond that administration and liquidation of the companies that owned the Club did not break the continuity of the club’s history or its record of honours won.”
However, after being contacted by United’s lawyer, the new statement simply said: “Rangers has received today the decision of the SPFL Compensation Tribunal and are content with the fee Dundee United have been ordered to pay for the training and development of Charlie Telfer who was at the club for a period of 10 years.
The payment awarded, which was significantly higher than Dundee United’s final offer, vindicates the club’s decision to take the matter to a Compensation Tribunal.”
SNS Group Charlie Telfer with his Young Player of the Month award
Charlie Telfer with his Young Player of the Month award
Midfielder Telfer, 19, was out of contract when he moved to Tayside in the summer but Rangers were due a fee under rules governing the movement of players under the age of 23.
With both clubs unable to decide on a fee the matter was settled by the independent panel.
United chairman Stephen Thompson, who attended the hearing alongside Rangers representatives David Somers, Sandy Easdale and Derek Lambias was unhappy at the amount of compensation his club will now have to pay.
He said: “This judgement in our opinion will have a serious impact on the freedom of movement of some young players through no fault of their own.
“Today’s decision protects clubs even in the event that those clubs are responsible for players’ careers being stifled at a critical stage in their development.
“It will restrict the opportunities for some of our most promising young players to gain regular first team football and act as a deterrent to any Scottish football club which wishes to take such players on.
“Today’s decision is completely at odds with the stated aims of our football authorities in respect of encouraging our most promising young players to play first team football at the highest level.
“It highlights the need for parents and young players to choose their clubs very, very carefully.
“Today’s judgment now sets a dangerous precedent that means some of our most promising young players will be deprived of the opportunity to secure a contract at a club where they have been offered a genuine first team opportunity and to improve their earnings purely because the compensation has been set at a ridiculously prohibitive level.
“The sum awarded to Rangers is almost seven times the amount offered to the player under the terms of his new contract with the Glasgow club. “
He said: “This judgement in our opinion will have a serious impact on the freedom of movement of some young players through no fault of their own.
“Today’s decision protects clubs even in the event that those clubs are responsible for players’ careers being stifled at a critical stage in their development.
“It will restrict the opportunities for some of our most promising young players to gain regular first team football and act as a deterrent to any Scottish football club which wishes to take such players on.
“Today’s decision is completely at odds with the stated aims of our football authorities in respect of encouraging our most promising young players to play first team football at the highest level.
“It highlights the need for parents and young players to choose their clubs very, very carefully.
“Today’s judgment now sets a dangerous precedent that means some of our most promising young players will be deprived of the opportunity to secure a contract at a club where they have been offered a genuine first team opportunity and to improve their earnings purely because the compensation has been set at a ridiculously prohibitive level.
“The sum awarded to Rangers is almost seven times the amount offered to the player under the terms of his new contract with the Glasgow club. “
Delaneys Dunky @ 22:00
I hate to just dip in and out. Reading back takes forever. CQN takes too much of my time. If I could reduce my Twitter addiction, I could free up time to be here more.
Or if the CQN board become a more user-friendly one in 2015.
TET
What have you and Tom McL fallen out about?
Seemed very dramatic on my read back. :)))
Kiss and make up. You are both huge Tims I respect.
Too quick for me Ernie >}
HH
Phil on the ball again ….
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/happy-in-denial/#more-5421
Wits
Would imagine it will do him a power of good (street cred) or the book wouldn’t have been released in the first place. Strange one all the same.
Oiche mhaith
Never mind the Norwegian kid, what about Lewis Macleod? :-)
Morrissey
Peace & Love.
You do what suits you. Meet you again soon for a pint and a fag.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS @ 22:05
Holding out for OF games for the money makes us no better than cheap whores. Even more sad considering the size of our bank account and support. And the history of cheating which continues and will continue.
What is the price of integrity?
Seems Scottish football does need a strong Rangers after-all. HH
BGX I find it fascinating that you ish to blame everything on no voters but you are clearly content in an institutionally sectarian scotland.
What was that about cognitive dissonance?
MORRISSEYTHE23RD
Seems it’s only worth £50k split between all the clubs. We raise that on here regularly.
So Sevco lied about the position adopted by Dundee Utd at tribunal. In an attempt to portray the SFA as having rubber stamped the delusional same club myth. And the SFA has what to say about that?
Re the draw for the knock outs, is it not Pot A. The 12 Europa Group winners plus 4 of the 3rd place Champions League Groups and Pot B The 12 Europa Group Runner Ups plus the other 4 3rd place Champion League Groups. Not sure how the 8, 3rd place Champion League teams are split, presumably the 4 with the higher points go to Pot A.
corkcelt –
You’re right. The best 4 third place CL clubs go into the seeded pot for EL last 32.
This is based on points, goal-difference, goals scored, co-efficient.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS @ 22:27
Celtic will sell our Old Firm fans STs. At least that is the gamble they’re taking.
The best thing about OF fans is they don’t demand a team capable of winning in Europe and they accept our assets being sold off to replaced with projects.
Desmond is clever – he can’t influence whether the rangers get into scottish premiership or not! He is playing the game – Celtic have access to SIGNIFICANTLY more revenue if we are guaranteed a shot at champs league footy most years – this is where the real money is. Sevco in the SP is a threat to this revenue stream ……if they can lure an investor.
MORRISSEYTHE23RD
I’m no fan of PL,nor of his ‘projects’ strategy.
But I cannot countenance a boycott of Celtic.
It worked twenty years ago when we got shot of the old board,but I doubt it will work now,and will only dilute still further what we see on the pitch.
Frankly,I’m at a loss on this one. Struggling for a viable and attractive option.
Celticrollercoaster:
All I can say is the man is a good man.
corkcelt
22:29 on 9 December, 2014
Corkcelt, it’s the 4 with the higher coefficient that go in pot a
Put your money into supporting the SPFL and the SFA does not equate to endorsing cheating????????
You think it through for yourself….
Sorry if already posted:
Phil’s latest:
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/happy-in-denial/#more-5421
HH
Delaneys Donkey
Ask Tom
HH
If RD continues to get the players playing his style of football,I dont really care who we get in the next round.We will give them a game this time.Who knows who could be in our line up.
BMCUW
A boycott is not on while Celtic are rising with Ronny Dee. I will accept a ticket and go to any Celtic game, however, I will be no where near Hampden on the day we pump them in the League Cup Semi Final. I am currently talking Ryan out of it. May drive him down your way. :)
tom mclaughlin
22:08 on 9 December, 2014
Just back from local pub watching Liverpool game with some good football people.
I heard that the agent representing Martin Odegaard was at Lennoxtown last week and asked Ronnie Deila if he would be interested in taking his player in the summer. Apparently the Norwegian wonderkid is very keen to team up with his “mentor” again, as opposed to going to a top European club at such a young age and being “swallowed up” in the system.
I was very doubtful at first until I started to recall how about a week ago, Deila suddenly started hinting in the media about still having a chance of signing the player. I am pretty sure his words were along the lines of “I am in control of the situation”. I remember thinking at the time . . . what does he mean by that? I also wondered why he was suddenly talking about winning the race to sign the youngster.
Anyway, the guy who told me this – a businessman with investments in Celtic – was absolutely bullish in saying that Odegaard will be with us next season on a 4-year contract.
That would take him up to 20 and after that, who knows?
Could it really happen?
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I watched that video of him there. Looks a player. Full International at only 15? No-brainer, get him signed up Celtic.
Cheers Ronny.
HH