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The_Huddle,
One of the issues BRTH has touched on a few times is the lack of imagination on improving income streams regardless of what league we play in there are many way to improve the clubs income that the Plc are only now trying to consult with the more affluent supporters on.
I believe we have the diversity and expertise withing the fan base to do that much better that a fat cat board who are patting themselves on the back becuase they have made the accounts almost unreadable to the ordinary shareholder.
bournesouprecipe on 22nd November 2015 4:11 pm
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I thought this was explained at the time, Bankier said there were posts on social media that referenced Livingstons religion, he never said Celtic fans opposed his re-election based on religion.
Would be good if Bankier produced the evidence (if there is some) but don’t understand why some fans are twisting his words??
CORKCELT on 22ND NOVEMBER 2015 3:47 PM
Fans running a Club would be a disaster, Fans think with their hearts, you need the cold calculating bassas to make ends meeting.
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If the choice is fans in the boardroom or the current mob who regard our club as the green half of the Old Firm/Glasgow Derby brand, I’d rather have fans.
DOC on 22ND NOVEMBER 2015 3:30 PM
BRT&H, so what next? As we discussed very briefly yesterday, what incentive is there, or can be provided for these 5 individuals who hold power, to relinquish said power?
The question is more one of why should they change our structure rather than what should the structure be?
Stay at home and give them incentive to sell their shares.
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A joint statement from the CST, The Affiliation of Registered Celtic Supporters Clubs and the GB.
I agree, Mr Bankier should be considering his position today.
http://www.celtictrust.net/index.php?func=d_home_article&id=518
M6BHOY on 22ND NOVEMBER 2015 4:16 PM
CORKCELT on 22ND NOVEMBER 2015 3:47 PM
Fans running a Club would be a disaster, Fans think with their hearts, you need the cold calculating bassas to make ends meeting.
And that is why Celtic are under achieving.
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Where the hell is DD to give us a bit of leadership this weekend?
Canamalar on 22nd November 2015 4:14 pm
One of the issues BRTH has touched on a few times is the lack of imagination on improving income streams regardless of what league we play in there are many way to improve the clubs income that the Plc are only now trying to consult with the more affluent supporters on.
I believe we have the diversity and expertise withing the fan base to do that much better that a fat cat board who are patting themselves on the back becuase they have made the accounts almost unreadable to the ordinary shareholder.
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That’s possible but I’m assuming DD didn’t become a billionaire by being stupid, so he must’ve also had some, maybe even the same ideas, to improve out income streams.
just managed to catch up on P67 on shortbread podcast from thursday.
very well done.
a cool cool clever head.
in comparison to absolute rubbish from murdo.
english and wilson just doing what they do.
Awe_Naw, I’m not criticising your stand, either, I genuinely appreciate where you are coming from.
Like I understand why CowieBhoy doesn’t attend the SFA sanctioned games, won’t go to Hampden etc.
I get it, I just don’t agree with it.
I just want to get along to see my team.
Quonno, for the above reasons, and more, respectfully, no, I will attend games.
One of the main reasons is that I do not believe that will lead to the desired outcome, we would simply diminish the club we love.
m6bhoy on 22nd November 2015 4:16 pm
If the choice is fans in the boardroom or the current mob who regard our club as the green half of the Old Firm/Glasgow Derby brand, I’d rather have fans.
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You’re assuming the fans on the board wouldn’t have the same old firm mentality, there’s been plenty of posts on here of fans that know others who miss them.
1 nil Spurs Kane, very good goal excellent turn in the box, still unsure if he’s a player or not
Saint Stivs, do you have a link to that?
Herbo
“I’ve often thought the reason why some are against fan ownership are those who don’t believe the fans/members are able to look at a prospective chairman or directors manifesto (for want of a better word) and make a sensible decision to vote for or against.”
I don’t think they are as opposed to fan influence, as much as they are aware that it has its limits. Which successful football club is truly fan owned? I think FC United of Manchester is probably the largest I can think of. There are many fan-influenced clubs, such as Barcelona, where rich men tout populist policies, even to the extent of targeting a particular player they intend to buy, in order to gain a temporary position as President of the club. Sometimes they deliver their populist promises, usually at the expense of losing 3 or 4 very good players to pay for the superstar they promised; more often they fail to deliver and get voted out again in favour of someone who will promise even bigger.
That is the democracy of a US Presidential election rather than true fan ownership. Fan ownership of Celtic would not deliver a regular supply of £6m forwards, The re-unification of Ireland, the freeing of Scottish serfs from oppressive English hegemony, or One Man One Vote on who supplies the CP pies.
Fan influence, which is a good thing, needs to be organised and shared. That takes time and energy which many are not prepared to give. We need to have mechanisms to be sure it is not “Entryist dominated” by fanatics willing to put in undue time and piss off the less time committed, or we just swap one form of disconnect for another. Would you want to be a Celtic fans rep called on to answer for “your” transfer policy after a mundane 0:0 draw with Killie?
These developments take time, careful thinking and cool heads. We, as fans, do not always supply that.
I still think we should have a greater say and influence but I can see problems there too.
If I am correct Stirling Albion are owned and run by the fans I dont know if they are better for it or not. H.H.
There are still folk who put their fingers in their ears and blame the domestic situation our failure in Europe.
I heard that our wage bill, presumably, player wage bill, is the same as the Sevile season. We then had Hartson, Larsson, Sutton, Lennon, Thompson, Lambert and Balde on well publicised wages at over 20k per week each. The rest of the Seville squad must have been on buttons in order for that to arithmeticaly square off.
You see I just can’t see how any of today’s side apart from Brown are on anywhere close to that kind of wage. We must have a larger squad now with lots of players on 10 to 15k for us to have a wage bill close to Seville.
Seville… The great benchmark after which we have bumped up and down but never above this high.
Those decrying the Scottish league forget we played in the same league then. It’s as though we should have ‘we gotta get outa this place’ bellowing out of this blog on a loop.
STOP. I’m not advocating the kind of spend we had on transfer fees… Before you leep in and swallow the first few paragraphs.
As I keep saying, we play around 12 European games a year. Our international players play another 6 or so games. A top non international Spanish, German or Italian player may play around 30 league games against similar opposition. More to the point, are we saying the Norwegian, Swedish, Polish, Swiss etc leagues are really that much better than the Scottish league … Celtic with multiples of Maribor, Malmo, Sion, etc turnover AND a playing budget the same as that which could sustain Larsson at his peak?
Yeh yeh inflation, the premierships got loads of cash etc. I’m not expecting to sign a player and pay him 35k a week but if it’s true our wage bill is the same as Sevile then why not reduce the frogs and buy a few more princes?
Again from the AGM we learn that the board think you win some you lose some when you shop in the 1m to 2m bracket. Well we have certainly lost some. If you look at our first 11 we are hanging our hopes on a collection of free transfers, (Gordon and GMS), buys from a previous era (Brown and Commons) players that work in Scotland (Griffiths) and products of our youth system ( Forrest and Tierney). We have even gone back to regurgitate scouted talent that had been considered not good enough by Neil Lennon (Bitton, Rogic.)
The last two are the only foreign talents to emerge under Ronny. Bitton is obviously a talent but I can see why others would get a game before him. Rogic needs games but I can’t see him being any better than Commons who he should be looking to replace. Lustily is a success but looks as fragile as his thin lower limbs would have you believe.
The scouting is shocking. So bad that we are employing players on their way out of the Scotland international side and some not good enough to warrant a place.
Proper scouting, proper player recruitment at realistic salaries for a few, summer football, realistic tactics in Europe and a board that value the support might turn things around but I just can’t see it.
doc,
its a good half hour in before the ebt question gets asked,
the rest of the show was fine as well. our bhoy was excellent imho.
and should be on the board , along with auldheid and jinty.
i know that could get me a slap in the brazen, but hey i live dangerous sometimes
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02nrsc7/episodes/downloads
FAN-A-TIC on 22ND NOVEMBER 2015 4:11 PM
A fair summation of Ronny’s tactics. Cannot disagree with any of it.
Where was Cole yesterday? Said it before why did we sign him, he never is going to start a game as you need to play him with another Striker. At best he is a Player that will come off the Bench under Ronny’s tactics, yesterday was a perfect example of when bringing Cole on could have worked. Yesterday was Cole time, not Cifcto.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
its the thurday edition.
The Huddle
“You’re assuming the fans on the board wouldn’t have the same old firm mentality, there’s been plenty of posts on here of fans that know others who miss them”
Would be nice to put it to the vote. Let’s get a consensus. The point is there is no mechanism for the fans to take part in the policy making or strategy of the club. Other than of course boycotts which is very dangerous territory. I’ve given up my season ticket but still go most weeks.
Sunday’s are out for me. Perhaps some might feel the TV deal isn’t worth Sunday games. Perhaps the majority do. What can they do about it? At the moment, Fk all!
setting free the bears for Res. 12 & Oscar Knox on 22nd November 2015 4:26 pm – See more at: ——————-
Now that is a post and a half
Thanks Saint Stivs.
Awe Naw
“I disagree. CQN has been tabloid since the 5 way agreement. All the juicy stuff that was not reported in the MSM with regards Rangers’s eventual collapse got out there and under the respectable cloak of non lazy journalism. Since the 5 way agreement it has been distinctly tabloid. ”
All of that may be true but, there is absolutely no connection between lazy journalism and comment on football matters, reducing CQN to tabloid status, and commenting on poster’s private lives, which was my point.
I don’t believe that any lowering of standard, perceived or otherwise, on our football comments leads to a deduction that Anything Goes.
The_Hiddle,
DD and the rest of the board are primarily focusing on their own income streams, improving their own income streams I afraid means milking the clubs income streams.
It’s what they do, nature of the beast.
The SFA would now be in very serious trouble if we had fan ownership, no ?
Herbo on 22nd November 2015 4:29 pm
“You’re assuming the fans on the board wouldn’t have the same old firm mentality, there’s been plenty of posts on here of fans that know others who miss them”
Would be nice to put it to the vote. Let’s get a consensus. The point is there is no mechanism for the fans to take part in the policy making or strategy of the club. Other than of course boycotts which is very dangerous territory. I’ve given up my season ticket but still go most weeks.
Sunday’s are out for me. Perhaps some might feel the TV deal isn’t worth Sunday games. Perhaps the majority do. What can they do about it? At the moment, Fk all!
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I’m sure the club moved the Sunday games last season to an early kick off to avoid the dark nights after discussions with supporters clubs, they were quite rightly lambasted by those that couldn’t make the early kick off due to prior commitments :O)
Double D will be playing golf in some hot place safe in the knowledge that there is enough fat in the club to keep turning a profit for the next couple of years.
Our best hope isn’t an Amazon Fire stick bringing down the Englush leagues it’s corruption at FIFA, UEFA and the SFA.
The_Huddle
Ian Bankier’s unfortunate gaff at the AGM remains open to misinterpretation despite his attempted ‘explanation’ which still clearly doesn’t cut the mustard with some Celtic fans.
Personally I don’t think one **** will be given by him, or the PLC, about what the representatives of The Celtic Trust or especially The Green Brigade think, nor will he have the comprehension that their thoughts might be shared, anywhere else in the Celtic support.
I think I know what he meant to say, but he undoubtedly scripted a pre prepared
mistake, that provided an easy target for PLC detractors.
IMHO it’s just a distraction from the big picture.
Canamalar on 22nd November 2015 4:32 pm
DD and the rest of the board are primarily focusing on their own income streams, improving their own income streams I afraid means milking the clubs income streams.
It’s what they do, nature of the beast.
The SFA would now be in very serious trouble if we had fan ownership, no ?
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Well no, because ultimately Celtic, fan owned or not, have no power.
If we disagree with the SFA we have 2 options, accept their verdict or release a statement saying we aint happy. There’s nothing else we can do.
SFTB
I take your points and agree in the most part. I am in no way any kind of expert on how businesses of the scale of Celtic are run. But it can’t be right that that’s all we are. A business. The support must have some sort of right of recall. We must have a say in running things and who is running it.
I honestly believe if there wasn’t such a disconnect with the PLC board, on all kinds of issues, we would be packing the place out regularly. I do genuinely feel there is a lot of cronyism involved. We could be a helluva lot better. I live in hope.
The Huddle
Twas just an example pulled out of the air chieftain. But you’re right and I take your point there.
So Bankier is getting hounded -good.
What about the anti semite, you know the bigot(s) ?
The Huddle 4.23
I have watched Harry Kane and feel exactly the same, but the boy scores goals so probably whether he is a good footballer or not doesn’t matter
Lennybhoy
Carlton Cole & Kris Commons were both actually sick with some bug for yesterday, think it’s games like that when we miss Mr Commons the most
What a miss by Kane
Herbo on 22nd November 2015 4:39 pm
Twas just an example pulled out of the air chieftain. But you’re right and I take your point there.
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I know mate just busting showing how hard it is to get fan approval
GERRYFAETHEBRIG on 22ND NOVEMBER 2015 4:40 PM
Wasn’t aware of that but yip having both yesterday could have made a difference.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
The Huddle
Well we’ve certainly not got much fan approval at the moment from what I can tell. There’s got to be a better way.
I think a fan on the board is one of those ideas that sounds good when you are sitting in the pub having a pint with your Celtic minded mates,However,in reality it is a no win position for the elected fan. There are many decisions that a board has to make which are case sensitive and cannot be made public at the time the decision is made now the fans rep.on the board would also have to keep his own council while being under pressure from the rank and file supporter.In a sense look at how Auldheid has been treated by some on CQN as he could not initialy disclose information he had from meetings with the club it leads to mistrust in time and for me it just would not work. H.H.
With the sheep drawing today is this weekend still a crisis for the tic? 6 points clear in the league and still in both domestic cups. A poor European run is far from being unusual over the past 40 years. Ajax are a good side but we can do them harm as we saw from the away game.