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The subdued atmosphere in the shadow of the passing of a young man couldn’t be shaken despite the decent cup crowd and James Forrest’s best efforts there was an invisible pallor somehow evident to the end.
Some Celtic supporters take these games as an opportunity not to do their Celtic at home on Saturday routine of up early, arrange transport, factor in the added expense and its a no brainer, when we’re only going to gub et al anyway?.
James Forrest enjoyed acres of space with no tackle, space that will vanish on Thursday faster than Kilmarnock’s pitch denied Celtic playing room the week before and Jamesie isn’t like us, waiting for Charly Musonda to arrive, he just gets on with what he’s told to do.
When Thistle wakened up two goals too late, they dominated midfield for long enough to allow the ‘trembling mince’ to make a reappearance after seasons in the slump, with Jozo Simunovic looking unfit, even when he’s finally extracted from the treatment table.
So no surprises Celtic don’t have a settled formation, don’t have a settled centre back never mind a settled centre back pairing, aside from Kris Ajer suddenly the only automatic choice, direct from a season long loan in SPL hell. Mikael Lustig’s spirit is willing but the flesh is clearly weak hopefully the big Swedish Rebel’s adrenaline will carry him towards Thursday and to the World Cup.
Midfield misses dynamism without a box to box player ( Rogic or Armstrong ) Celtic make do with Brown and Ntcham steady but sideways, and without a goal threat, it’s left to Jamesie and struggling Sinclair, whose roll in the side needs to be redefined at Lennoxtown, because the dreaded Celtic wide left shift seems to have him toiling.
Musonda is sadly after three games, not the player some thought and its not difficult to see why Celtic reckoned 18 months was right, because despite ‘dropping’ a League Charly already needs to up his game and develop a presence, never mind an EPL personna with price tag.
Moussa Dembele plays like he lost out on the reverse of Musonda’s journey, and won’t feature for Celtic until a few in the side start providing him with the ammunition to put the ball in the pokey, like what he used to.
A goal scoring inside forward player Liam Miller, sadly missed.
M.O.M James Forrest
A few minutes before Edwards hit Kieran, Edwards was moaning at the ref , like all the Thistle players did thtoughout the game , and pointing in Kieran’s direction.
Edwards saw his chance for what looked like revenge barging into Kieran while he was in the air. Everyone in the stadium apart from the two closest match officials could see it was a bookable offence .
There is a picture in e tims twitter of how high Cerny’s boot was and how close to Moussa’s coupon it was. Again , McLean deemed it not a foul .
Our performance was not the best yesterday but as is normally the case, the worst performances were from the match officials.
Couple of interesting-looking fixtures today:
The Honest Men vs The Dishonest Men
followed by the Old Firm derby…..
I think the problem is not just the passing the ball along the back 4/5 it’s the predictability of it. If I was a forward playing against Celtic and i saw Lustig/Boyata/Simo under pressure I would run straight towards the Celtic keeper because that’s where the ball is going.
One more annoyance is when we pass along the back a 20 yard pass is hit with no pace which gives the opposition time to close down the Celtic player before the ball arrives. So instead of a player getting the ball with time to control and pass forward they are receiving in as a player is right on top of them so they pass back.
Watching the PSG youngsters playing against Celtic the passes were confident and quick, now they didn’t always control it first time but they will be learning how to do that.
On a positive note when watching the Celtic youth players I think they try and play a similar style to PSG which bodes well for the future
Had to go to work right after the game yesterday so haven’t had the chance to read back.
At 3-1 I thought Charly was starting to find his feet. Also thought Moussa was just about shaking off his frustration and looking more like himself.
We should have scored a fourth and this would have allowed Tom Rogic some game time. Instead we see out a nervy last five mins.
It’s hard to see us keeping a clean sheet against Zenit so it’s up to our attacking players to rediscover that swagger and produce one of those special Euro nights.
Auldheid,
I read your latest with some interest and a little annoyance.
Firstly I find the release of law wells letters and the timing of it curios to say the least. Secondly it is very surprising that, if Celtic felt as strongly as these letters would suggest that they did absolutely he has publicly around this. Thirdly why on earth didn’t Celtic release these letters to you res12 guys when that was progressing?
I think you do yourself no favours whatsoever by intimating that those who hold a very high degree of suspicion on these matters as being somehow less informed than those who may want to, frankly, make up excuses for Celtic actions and inactions.
As you know this is a very serious matter for Celtic, Scottish football and Scottish society. It isn’t positioned as such because a racist country will always try to belittle anything that threatens it’s racism.
Cel I care now, in retrospect, trying to tell a story that they objected and sent letters. Really? Is that it.
I have said all along that the death of the Hun, poorly handled by Celtic, would lead to the death of Celtic. Celtic have colluded with the Hun and the racist sfa. Now they are attempting to cover their tracks.
And you appear to be making excuses for them..
This, from Graeme Murty, made me smile:
” “But we have to be in the next round. We want to be pushing at the highest level because our fans have suffered enough.”
JJ
https://mobile.twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/962484770906230784/video/1
Roy Hodgson having a berky……swerry words
HOT SMOKED on 11TH FEBRUARY 2018 12:19 PM
This, from Graeme Murty, made me smile:
” “But we have to be in the next round. We want to be pushing at the highest level because our fans have suffered enough.”
JJ…
Anyone told WITS:-)
NEGANON
I personally don’t think that Celtic colluded. They,rightly,believed in due process.
That was subverted,and you can’t blame Celtic for that.
I disagree Bobby. Firstly this is Scottish football and Scotland. Any due process is subverted into protecting a single club at the expense of everyone else. Ergo there is no due process that can reliably be followed. Secondly, when due process clearly isn’t working, then you go public to seek justice.
It is imconcievable that Celtic didn’t know about the 5 way agreement. Celtic have remained silent and only recently have released a few letters.
At its very least this shows both moral cowardice and a lack of leadership from Celtic (Scotland biggest and should be most influential club). At the very worst its collusion with racism and corruption and a deliberate attempt to create a back story that Celtic were really worries about it all, honest.
Based on everything I have seen and heard Celtics board are up to their neck in this corruption.
What disappoints me greatly is that auldheid appears to be creating a narrative (an excuse) for Celtics actions and inactions, and is trying to intimat anyone not believing it is less informed.
It’s bolloks.
NEGANON
I’m largely on the same side as you-you might have noticed!-but I try my absolute hardest not to make allegations without at the very least some form of proof.
That creates a problem. If there is no cover-up,there is no proof. And if there IS a cover-up,the proof will be hard to find.
Additionally,while no cheerleader for the board,I still can’t imagine collusion. That infers a deliberate selling down the river of everything that they know the club,and its fans,to be.
Truly,an appalling vista.
We don’t seem adventurous enough when we’re attacking. If the idea is to retain possession to tempt the other teams out and create space, there doesn’t seem to be anyone bar Broony, willing to move into that space, leaving the player with the ball little option but to pass it back or sideways. This invites pressure on the defence. If we’re going to lose the ball, I’d rather it was when trying something near the opposition goal than at the back. We nade hard work of a game we could have coasted. We pay guys an absolute fortune because they are quality players. They should be asking for the ball in tight spaces and trying to make something happen. We know they can When Scott did actually get to the byeline his cut back to the excellent Jamesie led to a goal.
It is an appalling vista. It’s the ultimate sell out. But I think the board imagined that we wouldn’t come without the Huns, that the money loss would be too great. Remember they reduced the season book price for the first season post Huns? What was that all about?
But when you really think about it the celtic board have nothing but contempt for us. They have called us criminal racist, lied about illegally giving the police all our details, banned sections of the support without any evidence of wrongdoing etc etc etc.
We are their cash cow. They think we are stupid and docile. When they say the bigot pound could be gone they panicked and colluded. Now they are trying to cover their tracks because they realise if it all came out Celtic would be dead.
NEGANON
As I said,I largely agree. I have little bordering on none faith in,nor respect for,the board.
Bit without evidence,we are back to being conspiracy theorists
NegAnon2 on 11th February 2018 12:00 pm
Auldheid,
I read your latest with some interest and a little annoyance
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I see you didn’t follow my advice not to look. If you think its all pretendy made up stuff from 2012 then nothing will shake your core belief.
When I saw that letter of May 2012 I too wondered why the Res12 guys never saw it because the degree of suspicion we all held ranging from maybe to definitely would have had to take its contents into account. It would have saved a lot of time looking for clues and arguing the toss amongst ourselves and losing the rag at a meeting with Celtic that knowledge of that letter would have prevented.
One possibility is that if we had seen it and saw UEFA were copied in, we would have asked and what did they say?
The SFM post speculates on what that might be – compensation fears – and I think it a lot more plausible an argument than yours that Celtic were playing games.
I do recall asking why not go to UEFA to be told you don’t bite the hand that feeds you, the hand being UEFA NOT Rangers.
If as you contend all that matters is the balance sheet then by that reasoning the UEFA £ beats the Blue £ to a frazzle.
Even when UEFA did get involved in 2016 their answer was “we don’t want to go there” using the fact they saw TRFC/RIFC as a new club/company that they were unable to sanction.
UEFA threw us a bone but we persisted and finally got an investigation because we never let suspicions get in the way. Apart from the compensation angle what took place in 2011 on Licensing drove a horse and cart through UEFA’s shiny new enhanced procedures. Not something UEFA would want trumpeted.
There is a book Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert Heinlein that introduces the concept of a Fair Witness.
http://dlkphotography.com/fair-witness/stranger-in-a-strange-land
A fair witness is a fictional profession invented for the novel. A fair witness is an individual trained to observe events and report exactly what he or she sees and hears, making no extrapolations or assumptions. A photographic memory is a prerequisite for the job, although this may be attainable with suitable training.
Whilst difficult it is an approach I suggest you try adopting.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 11th February 2018 12:46 pm
NEGANON
I’m largely on the same side as you-you might have noticed!-but I try my absolute hardest not to make allegations without at the very least some form of proof.
That creates a problem. If there is no cover-up,there is no proof. And if there IS a cover-up,the proof will be hard to find.
Additionally,while no cheerleader for the board,I still can’t imagine collusion. That infers a deliberate selling down the river of everything that they know the club,and its fans,to be.
Truly,an appalling vista.
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Indeed. To surrender the ethics that make Celtic, Celtic in pursuit of the £ or Euro, would be the end of Celtic.
JF won’t be the last man to silence doubters in our support.
Flair players will always split opinion.
This is because they attempt higher risk strategies.
The safe player who keeps possession with no risk possess praised for efficiency .
The flair guy will attempt to beat his man or try a positive pass with lower completion ratio.
The strategy means they can be brilliant or poor on days it doesn’t come off for them.
Paddy is also a good example of this.
Armstrong also tries more positive forward passes and runs and often receives praise and criticism.
At this moment we have to many guys playing risk averse football.
I understand the possession issue but losing it in the attacking zone it can be recovered so wish our players would be encouraged to be more positive in forward areas.
Stephen ‘craggs’ Craigen as tweeted about Mikel’s reaction to being fouled when he slid in with the Thistle player . He said Mikel’s reaction was over the top.
He places emphasis on that rather than the force of the Thistle player’s tackle and catching Mikel on the knee . Again a person from the media having a go at one of our players getting hurt but not at the culprit.
Brilliant bit of defending by KT to save the jerseys at the last kick yesterday. Outstanding, son.
Superb overall performance by the Prestwick Pele to win the game for us, ably assissted by the indefatigable captain Broon.
Charly Musonda is a top-drawer talent attempting to find his feet and the rythm of malfunctioning team-mates. Despite the hasty verdict of many perplexperts on here, it will be Celtic’s folly if we cannot accommodate and utilise his ability, not his.
we’re missing quality at the moment -tr and pr have been out for a very long time
Auldheid. What I like to explore is motivation , behaviour and draw conclusions from that.
It is clear Celtic were in a lather over the demise of the Huns. The reduction in season book prices showed that they felt the support wouldn’t turn up without the lure of bigotry/racism. It showed they had no confidence in us.
It’s also like I say inconceivable they didn’t know about the 5 way agreement etc.
The fact they didn’t show you guys this letter you refer to is highly highly suspicious. I do wonder if it was a later day invention to provide the with some credibility. I find the letter exchange with Regan highly suspicious too. If Celtic really felt strongly about all this they should have said so publicly and called for a vote of no confidence in the sfa and asked for a public enquiry. But the strongest we got was that Celtic were surprised at the LNS.
The story doesn’t stack up for the board. They were worried about money (motivation), as the largest club in Scotland and represented at sfa committees we knew what was going on, we haven’t challenged the same club narrative, haven’t said anything of any importance publicly and now we find them colluding with the Huns to get internationals played at Ibrox (old firm indeed).
Meanwhile the refs still cheat, nothing has changed at the sfa, the same club narrative is now well established (anyone questioning it publicly is derided). In short nothing, absolutely nothing has changed.
Res12 is important but the fact is that this is only a small part of the story. I am sure the sfa and Celtic will bury it because now they have absolutely no choice.
What I found galling is that you were suggesting that if I don’t read your link I am ill informed but when I do read it you tell me I shouldn’t have because I am fixed in my thinking. Belittling the person who disagrees with you is an age old tactic.
SANDMAN
Musonda has just arrived and those rushing to judgement are being harsh.
The refereeing in Scotland places him in a difficult physical environment unlike anything he has encountered.
I think once he adjusts he will thrive and pave the way for Karomoke Dembele.
As an aside my son played hockey in the USA at a decent level.He was fifteen when he signed for a junior team which meant he was playing with 2o year olds.In that league fighting is legal and you have to remove helmet and gloves or face suspension.Worried about this i signed him up for MMA classes so he could learn to look after himself in a rough environment.He fought often and gave a good account of himself.
Has ne thinking that Celtic should employ a martial arts teacher to ready our youngsters for the physical environment of Scottish football and tolerant refs.
Charly been written off already – dear oh dear. We need to build around talents like him and Paddy. They are both starved of the ball when they have played this season.
I thought the recent Hearts match was a welcome, but all too rare, situation where Broonie had 2 mean hombres alongside him to match their fouls with our strength.
I hate to see my team bullied or fouled with impunity.
That said I speak as an ex egg chaser from a time when you could get away with the odd haymaker and ‘ruckung’ was an excuse to lacerate the other guy.
HappyDaze!CSC
HH jamesgang
Rucking even!
Liam Miller RIP. A hugely exciting talent for us at the time. Cancer is a terrible disease.
Yesterday was typical of our season. One or two players doing enough to get us the win, whereas last season it was the whole team. Not great to watch, but as long as we get 7 in a row I’ll be happy. I have no hope for Zenit and don’t care that much. I’m worried about how Europe has already depleted us at home this season. I also think we might not get the Scottish Cup on current form. However, if we do manage the treble playing in second gear then that says everything about our dominance in Scotland. 10 in a row is the primary goal. If we win it playing ugly so be it.
Liam Miller YNWA.
seriously don`t laugh.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/10/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-best-behaved-manager-claims
Fan-A-Tic
There have been a flury of applicants to help Celtic toughen up:-
Volunteer No. 1
Volunteer No. 2
Volunteer No. 3
Auldheid – praise indeed due to you for your wisdom, insight and indefatigably.
Hope you have the energy to keep up the good work.
Hail hail
Indefatigability
tin hat on here once again, but i would play gamboa instead of lustig, at least he has got a bit of pace him and kieran teariing down the wing might even remind me of a certain mr craig and mr gemmel.
Mon the Honest Men , Michael Moffat a great Tim 18-1 for 1st goal
SETTINGFREETHEBEARS
At times like this,who ya gonna call?
Grasshopper!!!
Anyone who thinks C Musonda didnt have a good game needs to watch this. I thought for a youngster finding his feet he done well. He will only get better with more time too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jzFeYJ6Xw0
Link may not work without FB
https://www.facebook.com/YNRA2012Happened/videos/720338064838228/
Did Murty ever tell everyone if he got to the bottom of the “Windass telling the Zombie hoards to shut the f up ” gesture the other night?????
neganon2, where does brth canamala,r and morrisey get involved havent, heard from them recently.
auldheid
bmcuw