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Charlatan government opens pubs and shuts stadiums

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I was delighted to read the Scottish Government’s clinical director, Jason Leitch, say there are strong advocates from within the Government that football fans will at one point be encouraged to leave pubs when watching games and instead attend in socially distanced numbers at outdoor stadiums.

It will not apparently happen next month, but there may be a trial when the national flags can fly when Scotland team plays in September.

You and I can only wonder when the Government’s scientists will find evidence that an easily policed outdoor arena will become as safe from Covid-19 as thousands of indoor pubs across Scotland.

Pubs, with their drinking, exchange of money, regular toilet use and the legendary increase in judgement that comes after alcohol is consumed, are clearly the safest places to watch football.  If this was not the case, your government would stop fans gathering in them to cheer on their teams and celebrate goals.

And remember, to make watching football in pubs extra safe, the government decided you do not need to wear masks when inside a pub.  Yes, masks are important, but only in shops, if you go to a pub this weekend to watch football, none of those shouting and celebrating will be wearing a mask.

By contrast, football stadiums, with their designated and easily dispersed seating, blanket CCTV monitored from dedicated police facilities, all that outdoor air and with masks used by everyone in a spectator area, are clearly more dangerous to public health than gatherings in pubs.

They would not be able to sell alcohol at football stadiums, so unlike pubs, would need to rely on the sober judgement of spectators to ensure safety procedures were respected.  And I don’t need to tell you how ineffective sober judgement is compared to how easily drunk people find following rules.

To suggest that it is worse (as I stupidly thought) for public health to gather in pubs to watch games this weekend, instead of socially distances in stadiums, is ridiculous.  If this was not the case, what would it say about your governments regard for you or your health?

This is typical of recent politicians’ involvement in football.  Not content will kettling fans, or trying to make political dissent illegal, they are happy to throw the masses they pretend to care about together in pubs at greater risk to public health, rather than actually listen to reason from outside their logic-defying bubble.  Whenever I see these clowns I think of thought-control charlatans.  This is a a farce, the Government know it, football knows it and we all know it.  Those not prepared to admit it should consider how much thought control they are already under.

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  1. The Battered Bunnet on

    Your position on this, Paul, is incongruous for a guy with a shed load of life experience and an understanding of (simple) maths. I can only assume you’re peddling a line.

  2. !!Bada Bing!! on

    Biggest issue for a stadium will be trying to create a one way system for folk going to toilets etc.

  3. prestonpans bhoys on

    TBB

     

     

    Pedro must gave had a word with him, he’s only following orders💂💂

  4. If that’s what the scientific advisers are saying to them, it’s fine with me. It’s a lot easier to trace the number of people that will visit a pub of an evening than the several thousand that would fit in a stadium, even one subject to social distancing.

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  6. Neither football grounds nor pubs are safe from transmission of covid19. Until the numbers reduce to a negligible figure then you are not safe in either. I wouldn’t be at either as I don’t want to catch the virus.

  7. Go tell the Spartim on

    I concur with TBB

     

     

    Stick to what you know and stay away from science, your out your depth I fear

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    Dinnae ask me why I don’t like eggs. Unexplainable.

     

     

    Celtic is Fundamentally Good.

     

     

    Delighted to see Moussa, Kieran and Virgil daein so well.

     

     

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  9. Paul The Spark on

    Paul67 you must be following someone’s lead on this. Only last week you were saying about how dangerous it was with Sevco not following guidelines with testing etc.

  10. My thoughts on how to attend CP

     

     

    1. populate every other seat in a row and only every second row

     

    2. use stewards to allow 1 row at a time to leave

     

    3. use every second turnstile on the way in and use stewards to keep 2 m apart in queue

     

    4. toilets – a bit of an issue due to the bad design with only 1 door. Steward on door to only have approx 5 in at a time (can do your a bit of perfume and spraydo like the nightclubs)

     

    5. Fans – don’t get pished before the game to avoid the toilet

     

     

    On P67 point about inconsistency:-

     

     

    i agree with this in some respects. Strurgeon (who is the only one on the TV) is getting plaudits in England and Scotland for being cautious and not being Boris;

     

     

    BUT

     

     

    The pubs are freely open in Scotland now and they are still only open for food/table service in Ireland (similar rates). We won’t get proper pubs open till late Aug I reckon. Even then it will be ‘no standing/sitting at the bar’

     

     

    i’ll probably have to self isolate when i return from Glasgow in Oct due to UK not on Irish list and the fact i will be in pubs and hopefully at CP. If i had planned to drive up to Larne and get the ferry over, i would be fine

     

     

    Funny old game Saint

  11. I’m afraid I won’t be returning to see The Bhoys until they’ve found a vaccine. No point in playing Russian Roullette with your health. We find ourselves in a strange position but the virus has created a new reality for all of us.

  12. Coneybhoy

     

    4 . Toilets – going back to the jungle days – every one get a paper cup – no need to give ladies anything cause if they’re like my missus she can hold it in for every 😖

  13. Coneybhoy, I have only been in two bars in Scotland since they opened and on both occasions it was table service only. So not allowed to go to or order at the bar.

  14. As before, you are way off the mark with this article. It’s nonsense to suggest football stadia should open just because pubs are. If you believe pubs should not be open – as the article alludes to – its a long leap to say a football stadium should be open. Your famous cognitive dissonance at work?

     

     

    To suggest a football stadium is “easily policed” defies belief and experience. Even with reduced numbers I suggest that is not the case.

     

     

    Whoever coined Follow the Money never said a truer three words. Freedom to attend a game or Freedom from catching and then spreading the virus.? No brainier.

  15. THE BATTERED BUNNET on 30TH JULY 2020 12:18 PM

     

    ‘Your position on this, Paul, is incongruous for a guy with a shed load of life experience and an understanding of (simple) maths. I can only assume you’re peddling a line.’

     

     

     

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    The entire raison d’être of this site is to peddle a line. Always has been. To be fair, I don’t think there’s ever been any pretence about it.

     

     

    Clearly Peter Lawwell (or his boss) wants fans through the turnstiles and to hell with the consequences.

     

     

    More than a Club?

  16. Bada Bing

     

     

    You can smoke as long as its not one of those that you ‘pass around’!

     

     

    Gene

     

     

    I remember older guys using a rolled up Daily Record for privacy! Not sure how it works with an iPhone

     

     

    PS

     

    You can book slots in the gym in Ireland already so it is very hard to see who is the good guys in the 2 govts.

     

     

    PPS

     

    My local has set up a gazebo in the car park with horseboxes/tables to eat in, a 3rd party coffee dock and ice cream stand, a pizza oven in an old fire engine, outside TVs with sports on. Very clever and bringing in families with proper distancing etc. I went into the pub after my pizza and was able to sit down at a table and have a pint. i assume you show the receipt for food if the polis come in. I was happy to stay but my wife was driving and not happy with this set up so we had to leave. Walking through Dublin to work is a strange sight with all the pubs shut – the old style pubs are the heartbeat of the city but very hard to meet the guidelines

     

     

    sorry, i’m havering – time for lunch!

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  18. seems to be an agenda working here. anti scottish govt,

     

    its a pandemic and i will rely on medical experts not someone

     

    willing to put us at risk for the sake of a couple of months

  19. Vlad The Impaler on

    “Whenever I see these clowns I think of thought-control charlatans”

     

     

    If this site is just going to slide into twitter-esque trolling then we can all just switch to the Follow Follow boards for our moon howling fix.

     

     

    This article is shrill.

  20. weebobbycollins on

    So, Liverpool’s championship win can inspire Steven Gerrard’s huns to Scottish league title?

     

    Eh?

  21. TBB @ 12:18 PM,

     

     

    Got to agree, if the lead was really concerned about safety the main discussion would be centering on how and where it can be most safe to watch football matches.

     

     

    Off the top of my head that would be a drive in cinema type of arrangment.

     

     

    It also highlights a “social issue”. If you were to show an opera in a bar, cafe, bistro type environment, you would trust the patrons to sit and enjoy the event and behave themselves.

     

     

    Why not football supporters then?

     

     

    Surly this is an argument for theartres and auditoriums to be open in an incremental and structured way before football stadiums.

     

     

    Is it possible for football supporters to get aff their heids before or illicitly during a football match? Of course it is.

     

     

    Personally, I’ve not gone to any, pub, club, cafe etc during lockdown.

     

     

    Here in Bucks, the Wycombe Wanderers play-off final in the local pubs was tempting.

     

     

    The Celtic games in local pubs, after the weekend when wall-to-wall English football is over and Scottish Football supporters will have the game to themselves is tempting.

     

     

    But unless it is as safe as going to the supermarket… then not for me.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  22. onenightinlisbon on

    Paul – ridiculous article – swayed by political leanings no doubt. We all want to be back at paradise but only when safe to do so. To compare pubs to football stadiums? C’mon….