The commercial consequences of Sunday’s Ramsdens’ Cup Final result didn’t occur to me until Celtic released season ticket news yesterday. Over the years, when possible, Celtic and Rangers released season ticket renewal notices on the back of a favourable result.
As well as a party at Ibrox on Sunday night, the wheels would have been ready to roll with photographs of newly acquired silverware and a plea from the most expensive failed-yet-retained manager in history to renew early. There may even have been a price increase this year, slipped in amid the feel-good factor.
There has been a lot of talk about how critical season ticket sales are to Newco Rangers but we are no different. The circa 40,000 people who commit to support Celtic each season are the rock bed upon which all plans are made. Sure, Champions League money is critical, but without this volume of season ticket sales there would be no Champions League money. The season ticket is the Badge of Honour in Scottish football, during these critical years more than any other time.
In 2012 when we campaigned to deny a new club access to an elevated position in Scottish football we did so in the knowledge that competition in the league would be different going forward. This was our preference. While actual attendances have often been below season ticket levels I know that to a man, woman and child, everyone who pitches up to watch Celtic appreciates being apart from the scourge which afflicted us for so many years. This is the way I like my football, long may it last.
Seville – The Celtic Movement
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Frank Ryan’s Whiskey
Scotland is a nation. Yorkshire is a region.
That is the long and the short of it.
This attitude that there’s no difference between a working man or woman is Scotland and Yorkshire is accurate but there’s no difference between a worker in those places or one in Slovakia.
Each country/nation must do for its own people as much as it can and as I always say if the roles were reversed and the English electorate or even the North of England’s electorate (which is made up of many different backgrounds just as Scotland’s is) were being given a vote n English Independence or Northern Independence do you honestly think they would be sitting saying we cannot leave our brothers in the North? Our Comrades in socialism?
No they wouldn’t, they’d be looking out for their interests and rightly so.
I feel sorry for those in the north of England and those who share my values but crucially we cannot help them by remaining in the union because they like us don’t count because of the centralization of power in the UK gravitating to the south east.
By becoming independent and making a success of ourselves by making a good example of a better socially more successful and inclusive society which I believe is possible we can show the left in England and elsewhere that different models are possible and it would then be for the left in England or the progressives in that country to find a way forward for them.
The London connection spoils the UK for all out lie outside its bubble and that is why we need to change.
We have had Thatcher, Blair and Brown – nothing much got better and it doesn’t matter who you vote for in 2015 – you’re getting more of the same regardless.
Only a YES vote will see proper and visible change in my opinion.
You and others disagree which is fine but I will remind people every single time (God forbid there is a no vote) they moan about the government in Westminster – you voted for it, you cannot ever complain ever again.
There IS a very real democratic deficit in the UK and that is shown no better than in the rise of UKIP.
Dead in the water in Scotland but gaining momentum in England and if Farage is right among former Labour voters not retired army Colonels.
That frightens the life out of me and th recent debate with Clegg and its aftermath is the best indicator that Scotland and England ARE different and that changes need to come by voting YES.
QUONNO
I remember when he would have used a spit and an open fire to toast The Queen.
I’m grateful that those days are behind us.
Jobo!!!
Bloody Brilliant — The Holy Priests Roadshow Rides Again!!!
That was fantastic.
Speaking of fantastic we did a wee round of book shops recently to check on Seville the Celtic Movement.
It was the best selling book in Waterstones in Stirling, was No 2 in the HMV book chart and was completely sold out in two Celtic shops!!!
CQN’ers can obviously order theirs on the blog per the link under Paul’s leader.
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Oscar Knox, MacKenzie Furniss and anyone else who fights Neuroblastoma
Incredible stuff.
How many copies have been sold?
LB
theoriginalsadiesbhoy
I just noticed your silly comments and they are easily proved wrong.
Aggressive i’ve been is only part of it.
I certainly have not called anyone liar or stupid because I disagree with them.
I don’t think calling someone a Unionist because they argue for the retention of a Unionist British state is being aggressive.
One of your allies the Daily Ranger has disowned another one of your allies: George Robertson, about his ludicrous speech on the forces of darkness and oppressors talking over the world if Scotland exercises its democratic right to vote for Independence.
Absolutely nuts!
Also your claims that we turn voters against Independence is erroneous: according to the feedback we get.
Off oot…Have a nice day and you and cohorts try not to be so aggressive and bullying in a concerted manner.
Which has been noted by many
frank ryan’s whiskey
07:26 on 9 April, 2014
Could you be a little clearer……. :)
Billy Bhoy 05
10:25 on 9 April, 2014
‘Also your claims that we turn voters against Independence is erroneous: according to the feedback we get.’
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So you and your fellow nats postings on here are part of an organised campaign?
Who’d have thunk it.
Roll on 19th September. A decisive no vote, the SNP in disarray, and you and your fellow cyber gnats disappeared back where you came from.
I have an English friend who takes an interest in NI politics.
Round about the Good Friday Agreement in 1998 he said, “Wait and see – it will be Lord Adams”.
Wrong SF person but bang on the money.
(He did suggest marquees and corporate hospitality along the Garvaghy Road during the Drumcree era. i worry about him :-) )
http://image.wikifoundry.com/image/1/_O4usxP33dhEv6CS8tSVtA195839
9th April 1988
HenryHenrydroptheballCSC
Gawn yersell Father.
http://m.christianpost.com/news/see-this-priests-amazing-surprise-that-stunned-a-wedding-and-left-the-bride-in-tears-video–117573/cpt
Some readers may have seen the reaction to the downfall of Rangers compared to the grief process.
Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance.
Looking back you can clearly see the map of the journey. The Ramsden Cup result marking the Depression stage which will lead to Acceptance that Rangers are dead, suicide by an overdose of financial steroids.
But it is not just Rangers supporters who are on the grief journey.The whole of the Scottish football industry and those dependent on it in the media have been attempting to come to terms with their own grief in their own way.
Clyde SuperscoreBoard for example seem still stuck in denial although the not so true blues are nursing their more reluctant acceptors of reality through to the later stages of grief.
Celtic are not immune to this grief journey and there probably was a point when they and the rest of the industry thought Humpty Dumpty could be put back together again. However it is clear now that the egg can never, and should never, be restored because it was rotten to a degree few suspected even 4 years ago when “honest mistakes” entered the vernacular.
The problem facing Scottish Football at present is one of resurrection and what form it will take.
Celtic are too clever not to recognise the futility of a rotten egg repair exercise so like the game as a whole Celtic will have to adapt and so will the support.
There are many leagues where competition is missing but folk still attend to watch the football and social occasion. Ok the numbers might drop a bit because the poison has gone but as the priest in Jobo’s link sang ” Halleluja”
There is much to be done to make the match day experience more enjoyable. More cover outside the ground against the weather, drive or bus in and out more easily. Ok that might kill off the “can I watch yer car mister” trade but progress comes at a cost.
Summer frigging football. We have long light nights but prefer to travel in the dark. How stoopid is that?
Increase the cost of watching remotely, decrease the cost of watching live.
Lobby UEFA to increase solidarity payments to leagues with small TV markets and reduce rewards to CL participants to pay for it. The money the big league teams get only ends up as a spare BMW on a players driveway. Football must be the only industry where employees dictate the wages.
Ringfence the solidarity money to keep developing talent at home or reward clubs for balancing their books. And don’t say a cull of CL rewards by say £3m will affect Celtic’s chances of CL progress.
That amount would allow 12 clubs to pay a bright young player near £5k a week to stay in Scotland for another season rather than join say Preston.
Stop using the fact that the world is changing and crowds are dropping as a stick to beat Celtic with. Ask yourself ” what am I doing to help the resurrection?”
Get your shoulder to the boulder and start shoving, time to leave the cave.
BMCUW
Email sent.
I voted YES!
HH!!
Billy bhoy 05
You’re not a Celtic supporter who comes on here and occasionally talks politics. You are a politico who comes on here to try and browbeat others into voting Yes in the Indyref. You occasionally mention Celtic – usually after you’ve been reminded by other posters about Celtic.
What rubbish you talk, ‘One of your allies in the Daily Ranger’ ……. I don’t read the Record. I hate the rag and they do not represent any views I hold unless by accident. As I said last week, i have not made up my mind about which way I will vote in September. I will wait until summer to inform myself of the arguments for and against and take into account how a Yes or No vote is likely to impact on my current lifestyle and on the future of my family and grandchild.
You talk about bullying. Since you first came on this blog you have tried to ram your views down the throats of others. You have toned down a wee bit recently because of the number of times others have taken you task regarding your agenda. If any of my posts have appeared to be pro Union they have probably been in response to something you have posted and designed to annoy you.
Like Ernie, I wish the Referendum was over because having to read about politics between now and September is not a pleasurable thought.
Snake Plissken
10:17
It was interesting that you mentioned Nigel Farage and the rise of UKIP.
I couldn’t get my head around why Clegg agreed to that TV debate , all he was doing was giving oxygen to the UKIP bandwagon. Then it occurred to me that from a Liberal Democrat perspective that is a dam good tactic.
The Conservative’s worry that UKIP can cost them a significant number of seats in the next election. That presumably would result in once again there being a hung parliament and the LIB/Dems being involved in a coalition government with who ever.
The really interesting consequence of this could be that the strategists in the Tory government may come to the conclusion that the only way they can win outright power would be for Scotland to gain independence and consequently have no Scottish Labour MP’s to worry about. Was this the thinking of Hammond when he let the cat out the bag about how Scotland would probably use the pound if there is a yes vote.
Can we expect more such revelations from top Tory ministers that will help scupper the ‘Better together campaign’. They may not like the idea of Scotland being independent but they like even less the idea of losing power.
The consequence of the above thinking is that the ‘Yes’ campaign may have Nigel Farage to thank for getting them across the 50% threshold!!
Auldheid, can you give a couple of ways in which you think we can affect some changes as you suggest, which particular boulder should we shove?
frank ryan’s whiskey
09:49 on 9 April, 2014
Yorkshire is a county, Scotland is a nation, your argument falls down at that. Otherwise good points.
Hi Ho. Will catch up with replies after the next riveting meeting.
Auldheid, totally agree, to much income goes out our game, I have used this since Andy Thom became our first big money singing, he came, he played, he went. leaving Celtic never to put anything back into the club, not picking on Andy in any way, just repeating what I said all those years ago,
meant to say signing, not singing
auldheid.
You hit so many nails on the head with that post you would make a master carpenter.
Then again, maybe master is not a suitable word. :))
Auldheid
a thought provoking post. I’ve been thinking about what we can do as a club to maximise interest for a while and undoubtedly the lack of competition is a problem. Neil described it the other week-that feeling in the pit of your stomach-waiting for the deid club’s result, but times have changed and it is where we go from here that now matters.
The match-day experience is improving and the environs around Celtic Park are also now improving and this can only be a good thing. I look forward to a standing area and hope to see the GB back where they belong too. Good players, a good atmosphere in a lively non-library like environment will ensure crowds pick up again.
However we do need to get more creative. Recently I’ve been made aware of 2 NLC schools who have run buses to Old Trafford. Ticket and bus was £52, I know for a fact one bus was full. I know the EPL is a massive attraction but if we have identified ’empty’ blocks we should be looking at reaching out to the schools and get bodies into the ground. Motherwell FC distribute free tickets to schools on occasion during the season.
Lots to be done-especially with buses and cars- but we are aware and hopefully we’ll continue to strive to improve. The pricing is clever again this year and I welcome that;we have to be pro-active and not just wait on the punters turning up any more.
On that, well done to Albion Rovers and my auld school friend John Devlin with their ‘pay what you can season ticket.’
HH
Originalsadiesbhoy I had a short debate with billy bhoy a couple of days ago. He effectively ran away when the going got hard. I do now believe that this is the Nats trying to influence. His desperate attempt to claim everything is going to plan and that the tide is turning in favour of a yes vote is desperate campaigning.
The polls have barely moved and won’t. All the posturing and hot air will not move things in. The vast majority are entrenched in their views with a clear no vote on the cards. The don’t knows will tend to side with the no camp simply because they don’t believe passionately in independence.
Billy bhoy campaign on here is becoming more hollow by the second. As I told him he is someone who believes in using FACTS to cloud the bigger picture. I repeat what I said to him I do not want to be governed by the likes of him.
Auldheid I am not so optimistic as you regarding the Hun. This country will do anything to restore them and their sectarian superiority complex. Anything. That includes celtic it seems to me. How is res 12 coming on?
You say stop using falling attendances to beat up celtic. I completely disagree. Celtic have been scoring massive own goals by alienating the support and allowing external and political campaigns motivated by sectarianism and bigotry to thrive.
So what do I think we should do to help with the resurrection? How about force celtic to confront the corruption and apologise for the way on which the have joined in on our criminalisation?
doc
11:16 on 9 April, 2014.
I reckon Auldheid would like the armchair fans to get off their a***s and go to support the hoops.
new article posted.
Auldheid…
Agree with much of the aspirational comments on your post.
Couple of things tho… The ‘acceptance’ stage will never be reached by either the authorities, the media, sevco or fans of sevco…never! Whole lobbying is fine the big markets would only agree to a new distribution model IF the sponsors money dried up and/or people stopped attending in big numbers.
Otherwise…
Summer football, match day experience and new pricing models are no brainers.
I’m a great believer in a 14 team league, with:
A 6/8 split ensuring even number of games
The top six then play a mini league of 10 games where the maximum points gap carried over from 26 game initial league is 9 points.
The bottom 8 play their mini league of 14 games where the Max points gap is 6 points and there is a trophy for the winners of that mini league.
Retain a relegation play off.
If a club qualifies for CL group stages, that club waives its entitlement to domestic league TV and other sponsor income.
If a club qualifies for EL group stages, that club waives 50% of domestic league sponsor money.
The monies waived are then distributed to the other clubs on the basis of league positions earned.
Off my soapbox I have duly climbed
HH
Whole lobbying = While lobbying!!!
Argh!
Zombies getting a mention at Oscar P trial now……
theoriginalsadiesbhoy –
I have always enjoyed your contributions to CQN and I never miss what you have to say, but with all due respect, you are letting yourself down with your constant villifying of one poster because he happens to have a different view to your own. Honestly mate, you have absolutely no right to demand that he stop posting on his chosen theme.
The independence vote will be the most momentous occasion in Scottish political history, so of course it will dominate cyberspace wherever people share opinions. It is not for you to call a halt to the debate, and you do yourself no favours by so doing. If you are bored with it, scroll on by and leave it to others.
That you pursue BB05 so diligently suggests that he is doing an excellent job, and yoj don’t like it andvwant to silence him.
As I have said. You are one of my favourite posters on CQN and I respect you greatly. Either debate the issue or leave it be. Don’t tell the guy to withdraw.
Good thought provoking post Auldheid. I waste not a minute wondering if such ideas are floated at SFA/SPFL central offices.
How is Resolution 12 coming on (I gave my shares to the action)?
Gold Coast Tom…………..It’s not a debate mate, it’s nationalists bombarding a football website with propoganda, I’m sick of them, and wish they would bugger off somewhere else and leave us in peace.
theoriginalsadiesbhoy
11:06 on 9 April, 2014
Billy bhoy 05
You’re not a Celtic supporter who comes on here and occasionally talks politics. You are a politico who comes on here to try and browbeat others into voting Yes in the Indyref. You occasionally mention Celtic – usually after you’ve been reminded by other posters about Celtic.
What rubbish you talk, ‘One of your allies in the Daily Ranger’ ……. I don’t read the Record. I hate the rag and they do not represent any views I hold unless by accident. As I said last week, i have not made up my mind about which way I will vote in September. I will wait until summer to inform myself of the arguments for and against and take into account how a Yes or No vote is likely to impact on my current lifestyle and on the future of my family and grandchild.
You talk about bullying. Since you first came on this blog you have tried to ram your views down the throats of others. You have toned down a wee bit recently because of the number of times others have taken you task regarding your agenda. If any of my posts have appeared to be pro Union they have probably been in response to something you have posted and designed to annoy you.
Like Ernie, I wish the Referendum was over because having to read about politics between now and September is not a pleasurable thought.
Just back from Doc and now of to a hospital appointment…Not running away.
I’m going to try and explain my position in a manner that can be understood, i have before, but unsuccessfilly.
I will answer your charge again. I have never ever called anyone a liar or stupid. I would ask that this is acknowledged.
I have been abused a number of times. I would ask you if this is fair?
I think, but I could be wrong on a rare occasion, I have never instigated the debate/argument, but I have always responded to what I consider to be slurs against my country. Such as you have you’ve probably seen. ‘Horrible wee bigoted country this.’ I personally find this absolutely disgusting.
Regarding ramming views: I can maybe accept your point here without agreeing with it, as some people may argue it’s just putting forward my point. Others may take your point.
I will apologise for linking you with the Daily Ranger as I honestly didn’t know you were considering your position.
The contentious bit I think you refer to is myself saying that if you are not for us you are against us.
There are different schools of thought here. Some say if are against Independence you are a Unionist, therefore you carry the baggage such ad being alongside the Tories, Daily Record and the Orange huns.
Other point of view, Which I discussed this morning with a very well respected poster on this site. The gist was if you are against Independence is it possible to segment or compartmentalise your views. Eg: So you are against the Yes vote but how do you reconcile this view with DR which is on the same side as you?
We didn’t come up with any answer.
I don’t want to fall out with anyone on this site but I cannot sit back and let Scotland get slagged of: which definitely happened the first time I posted.
I don’t know if this post will help but I have made an effort.
Hail Hail
Re The Independence Vote…
Ah am No Scottish.. Heck.. Ah am No even.. British..
Howevahhhhhhhhh.. that diznae mean that Ah no allowed tae Write This..
Any Scottish Roman Catholic who Votes fur Independence,fur Scotland …is jist like a Bewildered Turkey..
n Wan …
Who is Stoopid enuff tae Vote Fur Christmas!
Ah lived in Scotland fur .. Two Years.. N.. while Ah wiz there.. This is Whit a Discovered..
Any Scottish Official Body..who wields.. even a wee tate of Authority…
E.G. .. The Polis.. The Courts.. The Local Government..
n which wiz disconnected fae the Power of Westminister..
Wiz…
Completely n Utterly… Anti-Catholic…
Especially the Law Courts.. n..The Polis Force.
N…. If the Law is Agin Ye.. then ye ur in Big Trouble,pal..
Therefore..
It is wi a Mixture of Horror n Consternation.. that Ah contemplate..
Whit the Living Conditions wid be fur Scottish Catholics n the future fur Roman Catholicism ,in General..
Should .
Scotland Completely Sever it’s Political. n .. Human Rights Bonds.. With Westminster.
Surely, The Scots Catholics hiv hid a Strong Hint of Wit wul be in store fur them..
if they Think aboot.. the recent Laws coming doon frum . Holyrood..
These Laws ur Slanted in such a way. as tae Punish Catholics a Loat Mair than Any ither Religious Following..
There hiv Bin Grumblings aboot.. the Worth of Catholic Schools. frum Scottish Politicians..
The Signs are there.. Clear as a Window…. in Windex Commercial.
n . .. ye dinna need tae be a Tea Leaf Reader ,in order tae Get a Whiff of How the Wind is Blowing…
A Vote fur Scottish Independence, By a Scottish Catholic… is a Vote fur .. Religious Suicide.
Mark Ma Words..
But..on the Bright side..
Mebbe, the Scots Catholics will Wake up.. In Time.. alang wi a Number of Ithers..
Who Wull Turn Thur Noses Up at this Nonsense..
N vote the Cotton Pickin Thing . Doon.
Kojo
Still,Laughin
Blantyretim
If your lurking , can you phone the bar at the KSC i would like to ask a question if you dont mind