Back in October 2011 I was for calling an end to the Neil Lennon experiment. During the previous season he lost the league after a late collapse, while exiting Europe in August after defeats to Braga and Utrecht. That season Sion’s insistence in not playing by the rules allowed us a backdoor ticket to the Europa League but we were 10 points behind Ally McCoist’s Rangers.
Subsequent events proved there was not enough evidence on show to judge the Neil Lennon era early in his second season. Neil pulled things together, finished a credible third in the Europa League group and never looked back.
Ronny Deila has already made mistakes in his Celtic tenure but does anyone seriously believe he has had the opportunity and resources to build a team? Of course not. He needs to sort out the many cousins of George Weah who have arrived recently from the genuine John Guidetti’s. He needs players who can pass the ball with reasonable accuracy but most of all he needs players of courage and attitude.
I would probably be singing a different tune if we still had Rangers to contend with, long-term development objectives are important but the short-term need to win the league remains absolute, but we don’t, which means short-term targets remain well within grasp.
The memory of Rangers’ many mistakes in the years before liquidation offers another lesson. They sacked Paul Le Guen six months into a badly needed overhaul project. Le Guen was appointed months before he took up the reins and had enough time to watch his new team and scout transfer targets, but even that wasn’t enough to ensure a smooth transition, as he found the Weahs living in Austria. Le Guen was decrying his as a heretic by a club incapable of change.
Despite the tiredness after Thursday and a plethora of injuries, Celtic had enough resources to swamp a tiny football club yesterday. That we didn’t, suggests Ronny has a big job on his hands. From the frustration shown by Scott Brown and Stefan Johansen at their team-mates yesterday, I suggest he builds his recovery around these two.
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Now it’s about hairdos? Old Henrik did ok, and he had a few .
Rubentus 3 -Roma 2 .
Rudi Garcia, Manager of Roma ————-
” A result which damages the reputation of Italian football “.
Carlo Tavecchio —–President of the Italian Football Federation ———–” some people need to lower their voices “.
Interesting man Tavecchio-, serial racist with convictions for —forgery / falsification of financial records / tax evasion / VAT evasion, / failing to pay the equivalent of National Insurance for his employees and breaches of anti pollution regulations
This must be the poorest article iv,e ever read,Delia is nobody who should be a manager in the English Conference at best,Johannsen is absolutely crap,lost us the Cup last season against a poor Aberdeen team last season ,he gives the ball away constantly,and is obviously Delia pal as he gets games ahead of much better players like Henderson.Deli,s STATEMENT that we are improving after yesterdays game is unbelievable we are getting poorer with every game,He should have been sacked last night the same way barnes was After the ict cup defeat,we were playing a complete diddy team yesterday and we made them look world class,and Scrooge the CEO can bugger off too
Im massively in favour of keeping ronnie ..
But as hamiltontim said im worried he seems to be making same mistakes and determind to play players who need rest or playing badly.
Lets rememer folks he has only had 1 window with verry little funds to bring in players.
Actually how many signings were made b4 champions league exit ?
Then after fans showed their disgust outside parkhead the purse strings got opened very slightly.
Diet and fitness is of course very important but why was this brought into the public domain? It’s embarrassing for the players and for the club. Talk of that should have been kept in-house. Perhaps, just like the sudden need for an indoor training pitch, it’s a deflection tactic.
Concentration should be on tactics and training. This is not a bad group of players. They just need to be used correctly.
I always thought Berget’s ‘do more resembled a samurai, or at least a slightly more fit Steven Seagal …
bgx,
It’s stamping his authority, he selects the team, good or bad it was lesson number one for the dressing room
Ronny Deila as a manager from 2008 year on year progressed with Stromgodset, to eventually winning the league in 2013, he has the ability to do it and it took him 6 years to do it with them, he will do it with Celtic given time and patients.
I second MWD….
Moonbeams WD. Wee Oscar’s our Bhoy and Kano’s our mhan. The Vow – Critically Rebuked by 45% of this fine nation.
That sounds like a lot of transition. Are you in favour of transition?
Loan players is not the way to go,most are just happy to pick up the wages for little effort,but this is where you end up when your scouting department is crap.John Park is the weak link in the system,get rid off,quickly.
He needs to change teh system and get a defensive midfielder in.
Brown and Johanson tend to press opponents and are all over the park. This leaves us exposed in the middle of the park and provides no protection to the defence. I have been saying this since the 1st half of the Aberdeen cup game last season but if Stefan Johanson is playing we need a holding midfielder to cover the gaps when Johanson is running around. I can see the benefits having someone like Johanson in the team as he works hard and covers a lot of ground but in a 2 man central midfield it does not work. We need a 3rd man in there.
Looking at our squad biton is most suited to the holding midfield role as he tends to stay in position and plays short simple passes. (Mulgrew tries 60 yard passes and kayal runs around similar to Johanson)
Therefore I would like to see us ditch this 4-2-3-1 system we are playing as the 3 playing behind the striker look uncomfortable in that role and play a holding midfielder. 4-3-3 or a 4-3-1-2 formation would give us more of the ball than this current system ronny is playing.
kingsnake
13:29 on
6 October, 2014
Speaking of which, where is Deila’s hair dryer?
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Griff and Stokesie knocked it. They now take shots each to dry their flowing locks……
Paul, I cannot see an analogy between Le Guen and Deila.
Le Guen had a proven track record at Lyon, competing in the CL and winning a top European league.
With Ronny Deila we have a manager trying to play a system which gives up midfield domination in favour of an expansive, dynamic attacking style.
Sounds good. But outwith the confines of Football Manager on the PC or prozone models the reliance on midfielders estranged from one another having to ping around 25-yard passes with astonishing consistent accuracy to maintain possession and facilitate the system just doesn’t work.
The opposition don’t even need to work that hard to break it up – a good percentage of the time we’ll misplace passes and they nee donly close down the space between our players the rest of the time – even high-energy, high-pressing isn’t required.
Unless Rd can face up to the fatal flaws in his philosophy and combine some practical, solid holding play in there, then we’re going to stagger from debacle to calamity until he gets the bullet.
His big, big test will be Salzburg at home. They’ve had a look at us, seen the one-dimensional suicidal methods and will fancy their chances of putitng us away with goals to spare.
I said at half-time Maribor home – he’s all hypothesis; crazy substitution cost us millions and I really don’t think he realised it then, or yet.
On the plus side, and whether or not RD stays or goes, we do have the basis of a decent outfit.
CG has been a revelation.
The defensive pairing of JD and VVD is settled, strong, and fast.
Lustig back at right back and Izzy getting back to form and the whole back four will be solid and settled.
Playing SB and SJ in front of the back four can work if they get some additional support.
I would be inclined to put NB or BK in front of them picking out passes for those in front of him to work with and helping get us proper control of the midfield. If we are going to put only one up front then it has to be Guidetti, with Scepovic being used as an impact sub dependent upon how the match is progressing.
That leaves the 2 wide players to be chosen.
I’d be more inclined to pick McGregor ahead of Tonev, Berget, Stokes, or Wakaso at the present time. But play him on the left as that is his favoured side IMHO.
As for wide right, until JF is fit again I suppose KC could be given a bit of a license to roam.
Parts of the team look almost ready to go, but until we get the rest of the jigsaw sorted we are going to continue to struggle.
Just wish I had a bit more confidence that the decision makers were seeing the same glaring problems that I am.
I think the thousands of empty seats & a half shut stadium for Europa tie tells us it is not just CQN that is pee’d off with all this.
It’s cack and it’s getting cacker by the second.
Some Tim’s will just about take any old rubbish thrown at them as long as it’s cloaked in hoops or soundbites to the masses that everything is #BecauseCeltic
Faithfull through and through mantra has been played on for too long and thousands of fans are seeing through it.
MWD said AYE
glasstwothirdsfull
13:29 on 6 October, 2014
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Domestically that should be enough to win everyweek and with abit of style. Kayal seems to be improving again so hopefully he can fight for place .. Young jamsey when ever he is fit aswel.
I know biton is very safe and cautious with the ball but we really need that right now.
Hopefully in time we can find a playmaker somewhere to squeeze in there.
Davidopoulos
we could just stick with it and hope that the Vow it gets better.
Were did I hear that before. Oh AYE 55% of eejits just fell for that one.
So it’s more than possible.
MWD said AYE
Syd Negakev
13:34 on 6 October, 2014
Diet and fitness is of course very important but why was this brought into the public domain? It’s embarrassing for the players and for the club. Talk of that should have been kept in-house. Perhaps, just like the sudden need for an indoor training pitch, it’s a deflection tactic.
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I agree it didn’t need to be brought into the public domain, as we all knew that players were not fit enough in comparison with European counterparts for a long time. We didn’t need to be told!
(with the sole exception of Andreas Hinkel…well, when he wasn’t injured…so, like for 5 matches…what a goal against the Huns though…)
Yummy
Yummy
Yummy
I got love in my tummy
And I feel like a lovin you
Ronny
Lenny
Tony
Where can I shove all my money
Coz I feel like a givin you
Anayway. back to work. Come back and count my catch laters.
MWD said AYE
Neil Cana….well..if that s the reason,then he should have been sacked for that alone,,trying to show whos boss in a £20 million pound game..r Really…that worked out well….
Mags
Homotopically equivalent, but perhaps not homeomorphic?
High tempo pressing games if you dont have right players can mean the players given the task look like headless chickens.
Chasing a ball like 10yr olds in a playground.
5 man midfield can allow 1 headless chicken with rest keeping their areas… 2 man midfield which we see at moment leaves massive gaps for teams to easily slide passes about .
And we dont have the full backs at moment to handle this.
Robert
I not prepared to wait six years fir him to win the league at CFC
Berget lays down some wicked licks: http://tkohub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/steven-seagall-guitar.jpg
The Celtic Way: Stokes the Anti-Samson, instead of losing hgis strength when he lost his hair, he lost it when he grew some more …
Of course I am being accused of being a RD fanboy.
I don’t genuinely think anyone on the board thinks we will fail to win the league this season under RD.
I do think there is an understandable fear re next season when Sevco may be back the league.
For me, Ronnie’s struggles can be understood.
He has had to play a load of games which then impacts the quality of training he can do. This in turn limits the way he can effect a change of play.
It also results in ‘hangover’ performances. This happened often under GS and NL also.
He has been let down in the transfer window.
He has had real bad luck when it comes to injuries. Under NL we struggled when Scott Brown wasn’t playing. It has happened again under RD.
Now, he has shown a disappointing lack of strength in imposing his own formation. We are not playing 4231, we are playing 424. Is RD sending us out 424 or is KC not following instructions? I dunno but RD needs to move the boys out who aren’t buying into this or he will not last much longer.
As for Scott Brown commenting on boys ‘hiding’. Who does he mean?
I’m guessing not Efe, VVD, Izzy, Denayer, SJ, KC, LG or Anto. So MW and Tonev?
Neither hid IMO, never played well but didn’t hide
proudbhoy
Totally agree. Unfortunately, Kris Commons occupies an important role in that space but his strengths do not extend to doing things without a ball at his feet. However, he has such an influence on the team when he does have the ball that leaving him out is difficult. Perhaps one of the more painful parts of our transition process?
Perhaps, perhaps.
Eurochamps67
13:14 on
6 October, 2014
“Celtic should practice hitting crosses, at a headable height, ”
We did that several times yesterday and failed to score . I do agree, though, that Izzy lacks in that department and I cannot fathom his failure to improve that aspect of his game as he has much to offer in the attacking full-back role.
Cheerio from me. CQN is far from cheering after a Celtic defeat.
JJ
I can completely understand why a fair percentage of people on here want to give Ronny a bit longer, the problem is the players. There is no way that they are all buying into this and the manager can’t get rid of all the problem players – there are far too many of them.
I think the players want rid of Ronny and they will get their wish eventually. How much damage will have been done before the finish?
….PFayr supports WeeOscar
Me neither, however I would go onto say, he has a lot more at his disposal here the club is 100’s of times bigger than Stromgodset, that will have an effect, and I do not doubt that he will win the league, I also don’t think the board will sack him and allow him time to do it, he has breathing space where as before it never existed for managers like Mowbray due to Rangers.
I do not believe in any walk of life that a company has a plan and buys in a manager to just sack them a few weeks later, thats just mad, and some of the comments on here and elsewhere about him aren’t right, Theres no such thing as instant success.
TBB,
Are all your bunnets homotopical or simply homomorphic?
Donuts excluded,
Rebus
Ronny Deila has the safest job in football, make no mistake about it, he is a part of a football hierarchy that’s taken Celtic downwards, overnight and faster than the sight of Neil Lennon heading off into the sunset.
The thing that’s perplexed most about RD since he arrived has been the one dimensional team tactic he lines up, the rearranging the personnel, in an identical system, what ever name, you have for it. After we managed somehow to beat the Croatian Champions, he wanted more and was ‘angered’ yet when we lose to a Lanarkshire town team, he’s ‘content’ because we ‘should’ have won.
He hasn’t been ‘backed’ we are told, just loan signings with puzzle man Scepovic apart, it’s maybe just as well. I’m not convinced by Guidetti, taken in his background and contribution. Denayer sadly without a ‘buy option’ is the only overall success.
The rest are flotsam and jetsom, add it all together and it’s mess. Tonev is the poorest we’ve seen since the last time Berget got a game, and Wakaso is at best a loose canon, to say the least.
Loanees aside the system is inoperative,, it’s seen previously peripheral Stokes take all the corners, all the free kicks for weeks without success. The full backs are run off their feet overtaking the ‘wingers’ and Izzaguire might cross to a Celtic player in early November.
Crosses to whom? – it’s no wonder he never finds anybody, because theres noboby there. Ambrose isn’t as daft, he checks back and sideways passes because he at least knows there’s nothing to aim at, even if he was capable of finding it.
In the midfield we’ve Johansen and Brown running around like the proverbial headless chickens, and any competent team will break out, and run onto Virgil Beckenbauer, and Denayer, with two AWOl full backs, it’s a turkey shoot.
Sick and tired of watching the same movie, and have drawn a line under Hamilton. Get the duds packed, and put something into the middle of the park, and stop leaking goals until you’ve assembled the players that can attack , starting with a centre forward.
the battered bunnet
13:40 on 6 October, 2014
We’ll have enough of that language.
There could be kids reading CQN you know
Jungle Jim
13:46 on 6 October, 2014
Eurochamps67
13:14 on
6 October, 2014
“Celtic should practice hitting crosses, at a headable height, ”
We did that several times yesterday and failed to score . I do agree, though, that Izzy lacks in that department and I cannot fathom his failure to improve that aspect of his game as he has much to offer in the attacking full-back role.
Cheerio from me. CQN is far from cheering after a Celtic defeat.
JJ
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Remember John Robertson having to give Agathe one on one training on crossing? Maybe Izzy needs the same, together with some other specialist training…
To many saying it,just where has the manager failed?.We have not lost in any cup games yet to the mighty,Ross County,Kilmarnock,Hearts,Morton,we are possibly 3 points off the top of the league.We all know this league,we could be top after the next two games.Sitting top of the EL after playing two of our hardest games.
I agree there is work to be done.Changes to be made.Many screaming that KC should have been subbed.How many times has been keech and popped up with a goal.Stokes should have been hauled.The guy that saved Lennys job at Kilmarnock.How can a manager account for guys missing sitters?.The problem will arise when there are no sitters to be missed.
And please dont anyone say anything about the CL results.Our hero Lenny went out to Utrecht and Sion.But he was one of us,so was given time.
WITS,
that’s neither here nor there, this forum would have wanted him pumped out the door.
Instant gratification rules, a load of two bob gamers and punters disappointed because their banker failed now want us to play the merrygoround of manager in manager out, best laugh is the same people laughed at the hun for not giving PLG the same chance, indeed many declared to the world we would never behave like that, now look at all the diehards :) lining up to emulate their worst foe, you become what you hate when you hate. In fact the exact same drivel being posted we were laughing at during the PLG episode simply replace monster munch with chips, and the meeja leading the charge with the, never read the meeja brigade first to throw their quotes at us.
RD is on a big learning curve, first thing he needed to learn was the Celtic support are cut throat and only happy when winning, forget the rest, what a family.
Ray Singh-Carr
Interesting comments. Are we lacking a motivational speaker in the dressing room then?
LB