SPFL chief executive, Neil Doncaster, is clear on the subject of offensive singing at football games: “It remains the SPFL’s position that if it can be established that clubs have done everything required in overall management of the event pre-match, during the game and post-match then they have no case to answer”.
This may be the case, but if clubs fail to communicate appropriate instructions to fans after one transgression, which is quickly followed by a second transgression, Doncaster’s defence is moot. The club has failed to do “everything required” pre-match and post-match, and is guilty under the rules, if applied.
Doncaster has employed a rhetorical technique. When faced with a difficult scenario, make a statement which is in itself true, but the parameters of which do not match the scenario.
The chief executive of the Scottish Professional Football League’s comments this morning appear like an attempt to protect a member club from the League’s own rules. He is paid to ensure rules are applied, not negated.
It is no business of his to defer responsibility to the police, or the Justice Ministry, which concocted this inept Offensive Behaviour Act in order to “equalise” criminality, where it didn’t exist, but will not lift a finger on this issue.
What do you know about Andy McAtee? He signed for Celtic from Mossend Hibs in 1910 and left in 1924, having played 438 games on the right wing, scoring 75 goals. He won six league titles and four Scottish Cups and was one of the earliest Celtic heroes. During the Great War he fought in the Alps, and in Haig’s bloody field in the Somme.
When he, and other members of our first genuinely great team, retired, Celtic found it impossible to replace them. We didn’t win another six titles until Inter manager, Helenio Herrera, watched our title win in May 1967.
The Celtic Graves Society mark his final resting place at Kilsyth Cemetery (G5 0TA) at 12:00 on Saturday 28 February. After a graveside blessing, there will be a Q&A with Jim Craig, Tom Boyd and Pat McCluskey, at The Curling Stone pub, High Craigends, Kilsyth. If you can make it along and support the great work of the Society, get there.
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Peter Martin to Bertie Auld on the Peter and Roughie football show …
Bertie , what was your best ever away result ?
Bertie to Peter …
I can’t tell you , the wife might be listening .
Zico Maltese Bhoy
Not living in Malta, but spend lot of time in Gozo for 35 years. A family friend from Luqa is a great Celt and was friendly with Bob Kelly and Jock.Used to help with arrangements when Celts played there, and took me to meet Jock at CP in 67. As you probably know, Gozo is much quieter. I used to have small travel business on the side. Now assist family and friends who go.Castleboy should google Gozo.Maltese very friendly and have converted a few to Hoopies over the years. Will be out in a few weeks.
HH
jude2005 is neil lennon \o/
Like how you just floated that one in
Night all Night wee Oscar my hero God bless x x
martybhoy59
Hee hee H H
Work in the morning, then an early finish and flight at 5 with mrs C to Milan. Cannae wait !
Sleep, guid night all
HH
Zico Maltese Bhoy
Enjoy Milan.
Was at CP on Thursday with ShuggyJr. Brilliant. Come what may, it will still be memorable.
Juve not brilliant tonight. I net them at
-1, so down again !
Xemxi !
HH
Maybe its about time the Scottish Government spoke out…..after all they subsidise and sponsor scottish football…..cant see whats holding them back ???
Doncaster Statement
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Whilst we may not like the inference of what Doncaster says, however he is only carrying out the wishes of all member clubs.
Clubs voted that they should NOT be held responsible for the unlawful actions of their fans within the Scottish game, if, they can show that they are doing all in their power to discourage and dissuade all forms of offensive behaviour.
Now whether the Ibrox club have discouraged and dissuaded is a moot point, however no club has wanted to be held as a hostage to fortune by some of the mindless idiots who fallow them.
UEFA/FIFA are of course two different ‘kettles of fish’, as Celtic knows to its cost. These bodies do hold clubs responsible (strict liability) for their supporters actions in competitions under their auspices. ‘Rangers’ have been ‘called out’ by UEFA on numerous occasions for the sectarian singing of their fans.
We have been fined hundreds of thousands of Euros for the behaviour of a few dozen ‘nutters’, who have the temerity to call themselves Celtic fans – they are no more Celtic fans than the ‘Billy Boys’, who would do us wrong at every occasion.
It is not to difficult to imagine how a system of ‘strict liability’ would work against Celtic, if it was introduced into this bigoted little country of ours. We would be having bans and points deducted, left,right and centre.
I have been saying till I’m ‘blue in the face’ (no pun intended) – it is the SNP and their National Police Force that must address this Ibrox farce, within a farce.
Salmond and his p(m)uppets were quick off their marks to introduce the OB bill, after ‘handbags’ between McCoist and Lennon at Celtic Park, and they are quite happy to ‘wade into’ bunches of school age kids with their Stop and Search agenda, then lie about it when held to account.
Racism – singing “Why don’t you (Irish) go home” and Bitter Sectarianism ” up to our knees in Fenian blood” are CRIMINAL OFFENCES – if it was Pakistanis, and Muslim – action would have already been taken by SNP, wary of losing the ethnic community vote in the Neverendum and General/Scottish Elections.
Criminal offences are subject to the criminal law – the government makes the law, the police enforce it.
The SNP set a precedent when they took upon themselves to impose the OB bill against the overwhelming will of the Scottish people. In effect they jumped right into the Racism and Sectarianism debate feet first – they are strangely silent now.
We are not dealing with hearsay and/or written reports here – we have recorded prima facie evidence, straight from the TV companies.
How on earth Celtic/Catholic/Irish minority can countenance supporting and voting for the SNP, is way beyond me – or is it?
They do it for the lowest common denominator reason – they think they are ‘sticking it to the Ibrox mob’ – the ‘mob’ are NOT the UK.
Our kind of ordinary people in Newcastle, Leeds, Birmingham, Manchester, Sheffield, Cardiff, London, Portsmouth, Glasgow, Edinburgh,Dundee, Aberdeen – ARE the UK.
The SNP has NEVER had, and will NEVER have, the interests of our minority, or the working class in their one issue dogma – it’s just not in their DNA.
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Take a break guys, the fragrant eve muirhead is curling on bbc2.
Alfie much of what you say I agree with…….. However …… Your comments about the SNP may have been accurate at one time but I genuinely believe that Nicola is worth backing.
Footballs greatest teams on 406 if anybody’s still up :)
big shuggey
ive been going to malta for years and im only 47 best country ever , booked up for gozo again a villa for my 25th siver anniversariery cant wait.
i hate phones sorry silver
Craigellachie10
01:05 on
25 February, 2015
Alfie much of what you say I agree with…….. However …… Your comments about the SNP may have been accurate at one time but I genuinely believe that Nicola is worth backing.
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Thanks for your comments – of course I take issue with your view of Nicola – however we must agree to differ.
Leopards don’t change their spots – they (SNP) would/will say anything that furthers their ONLY desire.
The disgraced SSP leader Tommy Sheridan has done more for the cause of the poor and the working class, with his campaigns against Warrant Sales and the Poll Tax, than the
CONTINUED……..SNP have ever done – isn’t that ironic?
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/long-term-planning/#more-5909
Oor Phil
Sevco the quintessential British club that has everything that is bad about British business
Got to be the UK’s most dysfunctional clubcompany ever
Others are saints in comparison
HH
This is worth a re read…
Imagine just for a moment this concept was true.
Amidst all the deflections…
Amidst all the gnashing of teeth..
Amidst all the righteous indignation…
‘Can you imagine’ (as said in a weans voice) that this perceptive comment from earlier was actually true…?
It makes you think eh? Paul67 implies Doncaster is a worm on a hook….wriggling.
However…. Imagine.another perspective. If you can it is one that needs clarification….
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mike in toronto
21:54 on 24 February, 2015
ANNOAON
Not sure I agree that ND has PL ‘by his short and curlies ‘ ….
I think ND and PL are working together … more accurately, I think PL calls the shots …
Celtic are the only thing standing between the SPFL and irrelevancy …. and whoever has the most money calls the shots …and in Scotland, there is only one team that has any financial clout… and that is Celtic.
I think Celtic/DD and PL are happy to go along with the Old Firm model as they see it as most profitable … so Celtic dont complain about Sevco … and, in effect, ND does their bidding.
Just my take …
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How would people react?
Would they resist the NME?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=94DNV6oM8HU
Just saying it needs clarification who the Worm actually works for…
67Heaven .. CHALLENGING THE LIE ..I am wee Oscar / Neil Lennon.. Ipox belongs to the creditors
21:14 on 24 February, 2015
Well, surprise, surprise ….. The SPFL seem to be of a mind to ignore the ongoing anti- Irish bigotry from the knuckle-dragging sevco hordes….and, I’ll say it again, some CELTIC Supporters want the bhun infestation of Scottish Football to return ……thoroughly gobsmacked to forehead….. Will NEVER understand THAT one !!!!!!
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Nobody wants them back any more than your beloved Celtic ‘bored’…or, don’t you get that?
Maybe…if ye took yer heid oot of Phil’s erse for long enough…you might want ask him – “Why don’t you find out why Celtic’s ‘bored’ are silent on….everything?
Then again…maybe you prefer to wait for BDO to finish off the huns…assisted by….Santa Clause and the Hulk?
Or, better still….why don’t all the CQN-Ego-trippers…club the gither and release a ‘statement’ in some p#shy paper that naebudy reads?
Take care…fellow eejit:)…Hail Hail, bye.
DD sorry I missed u on Sunday
We will meet up some day
And hopefully have a beer
Hail Hail
MT
Morning,well I think,
Breakfast duties for my me, my bhoy heading to Milan,somehow I can’t envisage my dad doin same for me! I’m too soft!
HH
Lilys
Warms the cockles of yer ‘eart so it does.
Travelling south on business and Glasgow Airport being adorned with Hoops fans on their way to the San Siro. Give it a few hours and there’ll be a chorus of Come On Ye Boys In Green.
And that’s just me….
Morning Celts
Good luck to Coorslads son DJ Caolan who is up on stage over the next few days in Milan along with Shebeen and Glasnevin, a nicer bhoy you’ll never meet ✊
Off to work.
Hx2
Good Morning Champions,
So this is what it feels like when you hit your fourth decade.
Come on Ronnie and the Bhoys make it extra special for us all this week.
Good morning friends from a beautifully clear skied, dry and crisp East Kilbride.
kevjungle
05:16 on 25 February, 2015
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Why don’t ye ask Phil yirself!
I’ve seen my last rangers and Sevco 2012 game, I won’t be back for more.
On other matters:
Re the Huns illegal songs- jail them
Re the Huns songs bringing the game into disrepute – fine them again and again until it hurts.
I doubt the police or the sfa have the balls or desire to apply the law or rules, they are the peepil.
I’m in work so best go do stuff ☕️
Hx2
Morning Jobo
@SkySportsNewsHQ: BREAKING: James Easdale resigns as a director at @RangersFC. #SSNHQ
HH
Just something I was sitting here thinking about Sevco’s forthcoming EGM. The new kids on the block are calling for all of the current board to resign. Aren’t 2 of them there at the insistence of Big Mike and as a condition of one of his loans. Wouldn’t removing them result in the loan being immediately repayable?
Work time…
Lovely morning here West of Glasgow airport. Calm mild daylight all ready.
Marvellous.
I dreamt we beat inter last night.
Wonder what McManaman and Sutton’s thoughts are on City’s celebrations at keeping the score down to one, against a club they can almost match financially.
Shortbread very excited by Easdale stepping down. “they have got the message and way is now clear for Dave King to step in and take control”
MT
I look forward to that.
Hail Hail
Could Big Micky appoint 4 new directors pre EGM so that when King votes the current lot off and him and his 2 pals on, he still keeps control
Statement to the city concludes….
‘”He would like to thank all the fans and shareholders who supported him and wishes the club a speedy return to the top flight of Scottish football and beyond.”
Love that last line!!!
To infinity and beyond!!!
How very Toy Story.
HH jamesgang
Good morning CQNers,
I’ll make a prediction this morning – I’ll bet any change to the SPFL rules on sectarianism will include a ban on songs glorifying proscribed terrorist organisations.