It’s a well-established fact that we don’t have Beckenbauer and Baresi at the back, so the reason why we chose to play so high up the field is the most alarming element of last night’s debacle.
Dedryck was bound to misplace a pass, or Efe was bound to misread play. We all knew this. Regret over the last time mistakes like this were made doesn’t mean they won’t happen again. So when the inevitable occurred, our two full backs were 30 yards in front of the line of opposition attack, with our defensive mids well into opposition territory.
Efe’s failure to cover Kamara and Dedryck’s pass were consequences of the main mistake of the night, which was tactical. We didn’t lose the opening goal because of a bad pass, it was lost because we left an acre of Norway unattended.
Ronny, you should never have left so much space at the back away from home in Europe, we’re clearly not good enough for such an open system, not even close. We’ve learned nothing since what was supposed to be a lesson in Warsaw, when the same expansive errors cost us. Molde played rope-a-dope football, they could have watched us against Malmo, Maribor and Legia, as each opened their home games against us in exactly the same manner.
It must be an absolute joy to face a European opponent at home who leaves so much space at the back, begging to be exploited. If we had played with the same tactics we used in Amsterdam I’ve no doubt we would have won the game – no one in that Molde squad would get into the Celtic team.
There’s more. After dominating possession and creating genuine chances, the defeat looked inevitable from the 11th minute when we went behind. Body language changed in an instant and Celtic went out like a light. I’ll spare you what I said at the time in case it’s misconstrued, but the evidence suggests there’s more to worry about than repeating the same tactical mistakes.
Celtic have nine months and one and a half transfer windows to get ready for the next Champions League qualifiers. There’s plenty of time to put things right, but we can’t sleepwalk into another failure. More immediately, we could be out of a cup if we don’t pull our act together this week.
The original Holy Goalie, our own John Fallon, will be signing copies of his book, and no doubt giving you his thoughts on current events, at the Supporters’ Club on London Road on Sunday from 12:30. All are welcome. There’s live entertainment too, so get along and check it out.
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BGX on 23rd October 2015 11:50 pm
The Huddle….
Hissy Fit…..Aye ok….Hissy fit…
so you think its Just Commons, I Think Commons Said What Others Think, Reason i think that is Lots of the Support Think , Why would the Players be any Different, Youre making it Personnel between Coomons and the Managenent….I Think its WAY bigger than That…
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So why doesn’t Brown say something?
Hamiltontim on 23rd October 2015 11:51 pm
SFTB
Stats tell nothing. Unless of course you want them to.
I think in our game against Barcelona at Parkhead they had something like 89% possession.
Result?
Celtic 2 Barcelona 1.
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Great result but who was the better team :O)
The Only Statt with Any Correlation To Goals that i have heard if is Shots On Target, In General more Shots on Target , more goals, Again in General, if anyone has anything better than That.
Please Tell me About it..
Willie Nelson – 1997 – Funny How Time Slips Away
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Waltzing Matilda
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HH
The huddle….
You would Have to ask Brown
The Huddle at 10:43.
I’m not looking for an argument, but Cavani spent much of the game (before he was substituted) in front of, and to the left of Ibrahimovic.
I like your toons, btw.
HT
“Stats tell nothing. Unless of course you want them to.”
Can’t go along with that. The numbers are honest enough as far as they go. The one thing that pass completion stats always show is that your big clumsy defender types have better pass completion rates than your wee skillful forwards. That is because they take fewer risks when passing about at the back as they are conscious of goal threat( Efe had 94% and Boyata 93% pass completion rates) than do the forwards who take higher risks when trying to create a goal scoring advantage.
I think, rather than finding no information at all in the stats, it is safer to take the Ebbe Skovdahl approach in that the interesting bit about the stats is what they don’t reveal i.e. just how bad the 6% and 7% of non-completed passes were.
crc
It was still a sclaff :-)
SFTB
That Berget looked a useful goalscorer
BTW I agree re waiting before assessing, but Celtic need to win at least 2-0 re head to head if we want to go through
I have no doubts that we could achieve this by HT, but the second half would worry me if previous home form prevails in Europe
HH
CRC
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 23RD OCTOBER 2015 11:51 PM
Gordon64
I would wait until we have played both legs before I evaluated them as anything. I never dismiss these teams as diddies or pub teams. They are always teams capable of beating us nut I saw no great football from Molde- they just played the plastic pitch slightly better. There was no one in the Malmo team or Molde team that I would welcome as a signing by Celtic (EL Ayanoousi was their best player). That is what makes the defeats so galling as these teams were eminently beatable.
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/dont-blame-defenders-this-one-was-down-to-tactics/comment-page-17/#comment-2702861
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Yes so the problem lies where?
G64
Lovin it! :)
HT
23/10/2011
Perspective
Too me that is Celtic not last night
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HH
Sftb I agree that Molde is an average side that plays to its strenghts but on the night they gave us a doing. Unacceptable imo. Your defence of RD is admirable but based on hee haw. HH
IniquitousIV on 23rd October 2015 11:57 pm
The Huddle at 10:43.
I’m not looking for an argument, but Cavani spent much of the game (before he was substituted) in front of, and to the left of Ibrahimovic.
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Cavani has been looking for a move since Ibra arrived because he’s been shoved out to the wing.
To be honest I can’t see why people have this love affair with 2 up top, when most managers will tell you that their new formation means 3 up top. Why can’t you see that?
Hangover Ratings
1 star hangover
No pain. no real feeling of illness. You slept in your own bed and when you woke up there were no traffic cones in there with you.
You are still able to function relatively well on the energy stored up from all those vodka and Red Bulls.
However, you can drink 10 bottles of water and still feel as parched as the Sahara.
Even vegetarians are craving a Cheeseburger and a bag of fries.
2 star hangover
No pain, but something is definitely amiss. You may look okay but you have the attention span and mental capacity of a stapler.
The coffee you hug to try and remain focused is only exacerbating your rumbling gut, which is craving a full English breakfast.
Although you have a nice demeanour about the office, you are costing your employer valuable money because all you really can handle is some light filing, followed by aimlessly surfing the net and writing junk e-mails.
3 star hangover
Slight headache. Stomach feels crap. You are definitely a space cadet and not so productive.
Anytime a girl or lad walks by you gag because the perfume/aftershave reminds you of the random gin shots you did with your alcoholic friends after the bouncer kicked you out at 1:45 am.
Life would be better right now if you were in your bed with a dozen doughnuts and a litre of coke watching daytime TV.
You’ve had 4 cups of coffee, a gallon of water, 2 Sausage Rolls and a litre of diet coke yet you haven’t peed once.
4 star hangover
You have lost the will to live. Your head is throbbing and you can’t speak too quickly or else you might spew.
Your boss has already lambasted you for being late and has given you a lecture for reeking of booze.
You wore nice clothes, but you smell of socks, and you can’t hide the fact that you (depending on your gender) either missed an oh-so crucial spot shaving, or, it looks like you put your make-up on while riding the dodgems.
Your teeth have their own individual sweaters. Your eyes look like one big vein and your hairstyle makes you look like a reject from a second-grade class circa 1976.
You would give a weeks pay for one of the following – home time, a doughnut and somewhere to be alone, or a Time Machine so you could go back and NOT have gone out the night before.
You scare small children in the street just by walking past them.
5 star hangover
You have a second heartbeat in your head, which is actually annoying the employee who sits next to you.
Vodka vapour is seeping out of every pore and making you dizzy.
You still have toothpaste crust in the corners of your mouth from brushing your teeth.
Your body has lost the ability to generate saliva, so your tongue is suffocating you.
You’d cry but that would take the last drop of moisture left in your body.
Death seems pretty good right now. Your boss doesn’t even get mad at you and your co-workers think that your dog just died because you look so pathetic. You should have called in sick because, let’s face it, all you can manage to do is breathe ….. very gently.
6 star hangover
You arrive home and climb into bed.
Sleep comes instantly, as you were fighting it all the way home in the taxi.
You get about 2 hours sleep until the noises inside your head wake you up.
You notice that your bed has been cleared for take off and is flying relentlessly around the room.
No matter what you do you now, you’re going to chuck.
You stumble out of bed and now find that your room is in a yacht under full sail.
After walking along the skirting boards on alternating walls knocking off all the pictures, you find the toilet.
If you are lucky you will remember to lift the lid before you spontaneously explode and wake the whole house up with your impersonation of walrus mating calls.
You sit there on the floor in your undies, cuddling the only friend in the world you have left (the toilet), randomly continuing to make the walrus noises, spitting, and farting. Help usually comes at this stage, even if it is short lived.
Tears stream down your face and your abdomen hurts. Help now turns into abuse and he/she usually goes back to bed leaving you there in the dark.
With your stomach totally empty, your spontaneous eruptions have died back to 15-minute intervals, but your body won’t relent.
You are convinced that you are starting to turn yourself inside out and swear that you saw your tonsils shoot out of your mouth on the last occasion.
It is now dawn and you pass your disgusted partner getting up for the day as you try to climb into bed. She/he abuses you again for trying to get into bed with lumpy bits of dried vomit in your hair.
You reluctantly accept their advice and have a shower in exchange for them driving you to the hospital.
Work is simply not an option.
The whole day is spent trying to avoid anything that might make you sick again, like moving.
You vow never to touch a drop again and who knows for the next two or three hours at least you might even succeed.
HH
Conway Twitty – hello darling
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SFTB
Against us Barcelona had 89% possession so who was the better team?
Most football managers only use stats in press conferences. In the dressing room its results that matter.
Just checked Ibra goal record, 97 (81 goals) wow.
The Doors – GLORIA – dirty version
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I think the most important Positions onfield are…Goalkeeper( ours is out of Form)..Centre Backs( Having lost VVD and JD ours are Duds, Dont know about Siminovic)And goalscorer( we have Griff) Simples….Way Down on where We Should Be…just my thoughts…
Hamiltontim on 24th October 2015 12:02 am
SFTB
Against us Barcelona had 89% possession so who was the better team?
Most football managers only use stats in press conferences. In the dressing room its results that matter.
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Barca were the better team
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Goodnight troops, a tough day but we’re still Celts. Beware the…
rattlesnakesCSC
The Huddle at 12:02
At no point did I remotely say that I loved 2 up top. I merely pointed out that Cavani was often closer to goal than Ibrahimovic in The PSG – Madrid tie.
BGX on 24th October 2015 12:08 am
I think the most important Positions onfield are…Goalkeeper( ours is out of Form)..Centre Backs( Having lost VVD and JD ours are Duds, Dont know about Siminovic)And goalscorer( we have Griff) Simples….Way Down on where We Should Be…just my thoughts…
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Surely midfield is the most important position? Lose the midfield lose the game
IniquitousIV on 24th October 2015 12:10 am
The Huddle at 12:02
At no point did I remotely say that I loved 2 up top. I merely pointed out that Cavani was often closer to goal than Ibrahimovic in The PSG – Madrid tie.
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Relax bud I didn’t’ say you did, I’m just highlighting that everyone under the sun plays the same formation as our dud manager :O)
The Huddle i think we have good mudfielders, enough to compete, we are poor defensivly and Not enough Goal threat .
HT, did you get the email I sent today?
If not, I’ll bring the form to the game on Sunday. I filled one of these in already though and wanted to talk to you about the proxy of my votes to the CT.
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Read that Leigh Griffiths is now flapping his lips at the fans being abusive to the players on the bus. Can these over paid egotistical children not keep their mouths shut ? The supporters have every right to bemoan the kind of drivel that was displayed Thursday.
Besides, until only recently ( and infrequently ) has Griff made a contribution.
Now im off to enjoy the Wonders of ms Alexandra Brekenridge as the Young Moira O ‘Hara….
Bless.
Ill be there on sunday to support the hoops play its usual one up front defensive formation against arguably the worst team in the league. A victory will do little to salve the pain of last night’s humping by the Molde. I said after the Malmo disAster that I was disinterested in the Europa cup but foolishly got interested. Now I couldn’t give a monkey’s chuf. I just wAnt to see us start playing half decent football.
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BGX, we have good defenders, international players, with bags of experience. Kind of hard to defend though when your defenders are nowhere near the defensive positions they’re supposed to be inhabiting. Our fullbacks spend more time up the field and izzy’s case it is mostly ineffectual when he hoofs the ball somewhere up into the stand behind the goal.
Call me old fashioned but I’d like to see our defenders defend.
Gordon 64
“Yes so the problem lies where?”
In the fact that we played a very poor Europa game following two good performances where we managed to piss away good results. We have not been routinely poor in all Euro matches- we have been up and down- Legia and Molde- abject, Maribor and Malmo- poor- but Salzburg, Quarabag away and Inter games were reasonable performances.
“Your defence of RD is admirable but based on hee haw. ”
I was not defending Ronny this time- he has to take his share of responsibility for our repeated openness and defensive frailty in Europe. He is no diddy, he is not an inexperienced rookie, he is not merely a PE teacher, he is not an idealist and he is not just a fitness coach- All of that is hee haw fantasy land.
But he is presiding over a disunited club and it does not matter how good , or bad, he may be- that spells disaster
HT
“Against us Barcelona had 89% possession so who was the better team?
Most football managers only use stats in press conferences. In the dressing room its results that matter.”
Barca was the better team but we won the match and I rejoiced like hell. But better teams will always win out in the long run so it pays to improve your pass completion stats- they are a correlate to a good performance but not a guarantee of a good result.
I would hope that managers use stats in their training planning and tactics too- otherwise they are fools. Don’t goalies study video footage of penalty takers to try to discern patterns of placement? Don’t managers analyse whether tey are losing goals more down the right side or left side or centre so they can tweak defensive organisation? Don’t they study how opponents score and lose goals so they can prevent and exploit? All of that is statistically based- but you need more intelligent measures and more intelligent observers than those that just count corners as an indication of who had most pressure.
The only telling stat ultimately is the goals for and against column in deciding match outcome but that tells you so little about what was successful and what was failing in the performance
Gordon 64
Well said……need half decent football, some flair some style
Aye,it’s a braw,bricht moonlicht’s nicht nicht the nicht.
Looks as though there’s gonna be a howlin’!