Neil Doncaster has uttered the words “Prima Facie” more often than any other figure in public life since February when Celtic Quick News first asked if Rangers EBT payments were declared to the football authorities, almost always after the words “we don’t know if there is a”. While we are all assuming the SPL have now established Rangers have a case to answer for illegally registering footballers for over a decade, it’s important to hear the words.
Rangers refused to submit information to the SPL for three months and only did so under the duress of a deadline, but we don’t know what they have submitted. I have been concerned that Rangers would simply try to brass the entire episode out, submit the contracts the SFA and SPL already had, and deny having any record of side agreements.
Consider the clubs modus operandi in recent months and years. Sir David Murray provided cover in March, categorically denying side contracts existed, while the current men in charge have been too busy to spare much time researching the issue. A response of “We don’t have any information” would not have surprised me. Rangers submitting full information – including details on the side letters which exist but which the BBC do not have – would surprise me.
The SPL should have realised months ago they would get nothing from Rangers without a deadline but they are in awkward position if the answer from the club is not what is expected. It’s far from clear that they can take evidence from the BBC and may require information from the First Tier Tribunal verdict to substantiate what everyone knows. The verdict is unlikely to confirm any names.
Until Mr Doncaster says “Prima Facie evidence exists” we should not assume this episode is on track to be dealt with.
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Coming soon to TV:
Rangers – The Miniseries
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1520211/ (thumbsup)
Bloke 109, regarding the point about numrous ex Celts in positions of authority in the EPL,there is a grade A choob of a hun in my office who has been banging on about this exact point for a while now!
He genuinely believes there is a ‘pyoor massive tim conspiracy’ afoot and that it will result in the demise of rapeepul and see the pesky tims end up in the EPL!!
Poor wee soul. Don’t think he’s sleeping very well.
:o)
miki67 on 1 June, 2012 at 13:55 said:
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I live in Glasgow but I don’t spend a lot of time there.
When CQN started there were only a few posters, certainly in comparison to now, and I was in Spain at the time. Since then it has been my conduit to all things Celtic, and much much more, from Ingurland, Korea, Holland, Italy, Norway (including offshore), Brazil, and now from Denmark.
Viva CQN !!
I’d be happy to pass them onto kibera celtic….
Larsson and McStay on 1 June, 2012 at 13:44 said:
Bhoys
Does anyone have details of any charities that may be looking for kid’s football strips.
Clearing out my son’s old ones and there’s a mix of Hoops and many other team strips , all in various boys sizes, and all in excellent condition.
Grateful if anyone can post any details , otherwise I’ll drop them at local charity shop.
HH
DBBIA
All THIS useless beauty. Great album.
BBC4 tonight Punk Britannia but before that a programme about precursors of punk including Doctor Feelgood and there’s a (I think) Sight and Sound later with Dr Feelgood playing.
Anybody hear about Paul Lambert?……or De Gaulle?
Cadizzy – no , All THAT Useless Beauty, by Freddie and the Dreamers, circa 1965.
It includes Watching the Policemen, How True is My Aim?, and Gulliver’s Army.
cadizzy on 1 June, 2012 at 14:14 said:
Where you into punk before you where into hiding?
Wee Declan’s attempts at some greats ?
Otis Clay did a gospel show on a Chicago radio station .
Asked to review Elvis C”s pathetic cover of the mighty –
Pouring Water on a Drowning Man –
He said – ‘” He certainly sounds like he’s drowning ”
James Carr CSC -Way down south.
So Liverpool and Villa have new managers, meaning Swansea and Norwich need new managers. Chelsea and West Brom also need managers.
When you add that to Sunderland and QPR changing managers during the season, that means at least 8 of the 17 non relegated EPL teams will start next season with a different manager from the one that started last season.
Ah right. THAT all that useless beauty. The Elvis one includes I was made for you and Who wears long johns?
Philvisreturns @ 14:03,
Big Doc was our Headmaster.
First Lesson he went up to the blackboard…
Margin, Title & Date…
We got our heads down while he went round the class, as he did he poked some on the shoulder and said out in front.
By the time he finished only three of us were at our desks.
Everyone else got the belt for not following his precise instuctions – they did after that.
I’m not surprised he had retired he taught my mum at St Patricks, he was also a friend of my Grandads, think I got off a wee bit easier than most.
Yes a charismatic, disciplinarian but was always held with great affection. A true legend.
cadizzy on 1 June, 2012 at 14:14:
Punk-tastic weekend on BBC 4 – including shows on the Adverts and John Cooper Clarke.
South Of Tunis on 1 June, 2012 at 14:19 said:
Wee Dec spent too much time at the dark end of the street…
Currently enjoying Soul Gospel 1+2 that the Souljazz postie brought yesterday..
Last night an old friend told me that his son-in-law has a horse running at Down Royal today at 6.05. They think it has “every chance.” It’s called Flemross.
Ole Cadizzy taught John McGeoch all he knew about dressing up to appear on stage with Steve Strange.
voguepunter on 1 June, 2012 at 14:18
not in hiding…just keeping a low profile.
SOT, you are never going to forgive him for the Ray Charles thing, are you? 0:)
I’d like to see how Otis Clay could handle Watching the Policemen
DBBIA
When he was Ian McGeoch, he didn’t do dressing up
While the original idea of Punk was that musical ability wasn’t necessary- and may in fact be a hindrance – it’s only the talented untalented whose music has stood the test of time.
Bloke 109-David McNally seems to have done a good job wherever he has been,talking us up on SSN .
philvisreturns on 1 June, 2012 at 14:03 said:
Would you happen to frequent the parish of St. Patricks? I was married there.
I was taught by Mr. Docherty and have a lot to thank him for. He did indeed leave an impression. On the mind certainly, but also on the wrist – I’m sure I had “Made In England” stamped there (in reverse) for all my cheek! Nobody messed wi’ Big Doc!!
starry plough .
Have those 2 on a tape a mate sent . Ideal for a Sunday morning .
Soul Jazz’s shop in Soho [ Sounds of the Universe ] does a good line in second hand jazz LPs -sourced in the States — sane prices .
Chairbhoy – He taught my mother too. She always held him in the highest regard even though, well into her forties, she was still slightly terrified by him. :)
The best teachers are usually the ones you know you can’t mess with.
A true legend
I agree. For him, teaching wasn’t a job, it was a vocation. (thumbsup)
Houl yer wheest-Got it 6/1 mate ta
I thought that watching for policemen was the job of Wiggy Smith, standing at the door of the Ibrox shredding room > )
NatKnow – Would you happen to frequent the parish of St. Patricks? I was married there.
Not for the past several years since I moved away.
It’s a lovely parish with a truly gifted P.P. (thumbsup)
Sir Paul
Noo that the C.O.S. bombshell his bin Drapped…
the Question, beckons…
Did The G.A. beat the Rap?
Yes, Virginia..
Ah Believe that they.. Did.. and Hiv!
Fur..
So faur.. The Reponse fae the genltemen of the S.P.L./S.F.A.
has bin… Clouded..and Wishy Washy.
Good Description?
Mebbe… but.. let’s see if there is a Better wan..
Muffled and Toneless!
Insipid and Fatuous?
No really.
How aboot Insipid,Bland,Lifeless and Limp?
Bettah..Much Bettah!
Howevahhhh…
Ah believe the Best Description is..
“Disappointingly.. PREDICTABLE!”
Moving Oan..
Today, is the Day.. That the Ibrox.. “Chooky Burdies” kin.. Fly the Coop…if they Wish..or…Waant Tae..
Question is..
Wull They?
Is there such a Thing as..Loyalty, these Days?
Na.. don’t Believe there is..
Wiz there Evah?
Na.. Don’t Believe there evah Wiz.
How Aboot . Dis-Loyalty,then?
Noo.. Ye are Talkin’ Ma Language,Babe!
So.. That’s settled.. Ah expect a Panicked Exodus, that Wull Rival the Rush tae that Last Life-Boat.. oan the Titanic!
Kojo
Still, Laughin’
BBC4 screened a brilliant documentary about Dr Feelgood a couple of years ago,it won a few awards.Will keep an eye out for it ,if it’s on again.Might have been directed by the fore mentioned Julian Temple?
Back in the 80’s you’d get great bands playin’ in pubs in London.
The Motors
Man
Dr.Feelgood (natch)
The Bluebells
Any number of smokin’ punk bands.
Too much dreck around today.
Mind you,I saw Silversun Pickups play on an old boat in Bristol last year.
Gig of the year 2011.
South Of Tunis on 1 June, 2012 at 14:35 said:
Yeah I am their mailing list, always tasty bits on there….
Need to chin D&P for some money making tips!
I’ve come to realise….epiphany like…that tho’ Philvis is a libertarian in the mould of Boris Johnson,he is witty and you just can’t help but like him.
Jeez…with every passing day I get more and more laid-back.
Anyway….we signed embdy yet?
Bada Bing -Oil City Confidential?
There was a good wee documentary on BBCR4 the other Saturday, about the walk round Canvey Island people do on the anniversary of Lee’s death.
The Wilco Johnson Band and the Feelgoods play a set at the end of the walk, but none of the original Feelgoods are currnetly in the band, but wierdly Phil Mitchell is.
!!Bada Bing!! on 1 June, 2012 at 14:41:
Oil City Confidential.
Excellent documentary.
Gerry
re Hamilton races, email me ay username.co.uk and I will put you in touch with Twisty….
BT
Dontbrattbakkinanger on 1 June, 2012 at 14:31:
“While the original idea of Punk was that musical ability wasn’t necessary- and may in fact be a hindrance – it’s only the talented untalented whose music has stood the test of time.”
A lot of them were better musicians than they let on.
But simplifying the music was a statement in itself.
Did someone just say about Philvis
“you cant help liking him”
Bah humbug
When I become dictator of the world he is going to a “re education camp” where he will learn to be a good citizen of the glorious workers republic and to eat his jelly and ice cream like everyone else.
Philvis does come up with some way out opinions but as people have said, he does it with good grace and makes me chuckle.
My view is that he doesn’t really believe most of his stuff either.
Steinreigned-Dontbrattbakkinanger-That was the one,some rough pubs where those guys came from.
If evidence exists then there has to be a case to answer. The wishes of Doncaster are immaterial. The question is: where is the evidence & who is handling it? Why the inordinate amount of time to disclose the essence of such evidence? What benefits are accrued from the delays in disclosure?
Is the delay a front for the destruction of key evidence?
Surely if there was a destruction of evidence it would leave a “black hole”…how do you conceal obvious gaps in a paper trail? Not easy.
If evidence is destroyed then those players who participated in the scheme must be questioned. Look at wee Doddsy’s reaction to even a whiff of impropriety- he bricked it big style. Press some weight, exert a bit of pressure & they will turn canary. The majority will crack- they’re testimonials will then bring us back to what is missing from the EBT/Double contract blackhole…its a case for Inspector Hawkings.