Resolutions to be voted on at the 30 April meeting are proposals from the Scottish Premier League executive (Neil Doncaster). They have nothing to do with the Gang of 10 nor are they a Duff and Phelps/Rangers conspiracy. The resolutions are not set in tablets of stone and have no authority in their own right. The League has form in voting down executive resolutions, in particular overthrowing plans for a 10 team league last year, so, in theory, the votes could go for or against.
Neil Doncaster, being as thorough as he is, has almost certainly shared his plan with the man along the corridor at Hamden, SFA chief exec, Stewart Regan. He is also likely to have taken guidance from the Uefa executive, specifically CEO David Taylor, formerly of this parish. It would be unnecessarily lax to leave legislative loose ends before embarking on such a radical plan, so forget about any intervention by the SFA (cough) or Uefa.
Putting preconceived notions aside (if I can), the resolutions are flawed.
Asking for 8 clubs to vote for a Newco to be allowed into the league, but requiring 11 to vote for a financial penalty to be imposed for an Insolvency Transfer, is beyond ridiculous. The former provision – the gift of continuity to a defaulter – is easy to achieve. The latter – the punishment for defaulting – is unnecessarily difficult. Duff and Phelps will need the support of only one club – let’s say Dunfermline, who are brogue-to-brogue with them anyway and due to relegation will not be affected by the financial penalty, will vote with them. Why would Doncaster put such a high bar on setting financial penalties?
Arbitrary voting thresholds smack of gerrymandering. Can anyone explain this in any other way?
There will now be a period of debate between clubs; Celtic will oppose any provision for a Newco to enter the league. Duff and Phelps will be in the opposite corner. You can expect to hear wailing and gnashing from Rangers (IA) along the same ridiculous lines they have used ahead of the SFA hearings into the behaviour of the club in advance of, and after, Craig Whyte’s purchase of the club. On that occasion, Duff and Phelps argued that the actions of Rangers’ new owner, or the failure of the old board to conduct their business correctly, should not lead to a penalty on the club.
It doesn’t matter how lax or severe the proposed penalties, Duff and Phelps will oppose them. Anything lessening of the penalty is worth money to the proposed new buyers of Rangers, so let’s view everything Duff and Phelps say in pound notes.
Rangers have unpaid bills potentially running up to £134mm that’s medicine, operations, road repairs and Help for Heroes. Allowing them to ditch their history and start afresh, where owners profit by securing a floating charge over the stadium, where fans can continue to be provided with a team in the league, creates an unprecedented moral hazard. It rewards irresponsibility and would create a queue of clubs ready to do the same.
And on the point of ditching their history… I openly mock anyone who uses phrases like Hybrid Liquidation. You don’t get Hybrid Liquidation, Partial Liquidation or Liquidation Lite. You cannot buy or sell history, as Duff and Phelps tried (and failed, I think) to convince Rangers fans. Liquidation would mean Rangers Football Club, established in 1873 (or 1872 as they now claim), incorporated in 1899, is finished.
Just pay your bills and do us all a favour.
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Headtheball
Me, just an old hippie so I am :>)))
Just as we all knew….. the Sting is almost complete. Beyond anger
I see someone mentioned the back of the bus again.
Lucky you.
As a wee kid I wasn’t allowed on the bus, to school.
Some country. Gettin the feck out of here soon as possible.
Oz CSC here I come.
Had enough of this crap, severely pissed off tonight and goin to bed.
Tomorrow I want a bright and hun free future for my kids.
Goodnight CQN and goodnight Scotland.
Kilbowie Kelt on 11 April, 2012 at 23:44 said:
Yup but what is happening to kid on everything will be ok is quite astonishing.
Guy got tore into the MSM tonight for not asking the questions us bampots ask. The pundits tried to defend themselves that the individuals at whom the questions are raised should answer. That’s YOUR job said the caller and they knew it.
Terry O embararsed them last night with a question on the SPL treatment and statements re Hearts and the opposite treatment of Rangers and the sporting advantage they have obtained from unpaid PAYE that gives them points prizes that are unfairly denied to their competitors.
I suspect they had already clocked that one but treated it like a surprise – a hot potatoe surprise. Their avoidance of the issues has been quite remarkable.
We should trust in the Celtic way ,in our club and it’s supporters, good times and bad , these are good times right?
Yes the establishment is against us and is “moving the goalposts” this has always been the way .
We fight back on the field and from the terracing( seats lol) by doing all we can to get a better team on the park and beat whatever opposition is in front of us.
When they cheat and use foul means (on or off the field) do we reduce ourselves to their bitter level ? No we up the tempo, stand as one and keep up the effort for victory.
We must support the team with our season books etc and wear your shirts with pride I don’t see many of them being able to do that these days!
Whatever the outcome with them, now is our time to build ,we are light years ahead of them, and with them to be financially hamstrung for years (no European football) and with an increasingly poor squad we have an opportunity to leave them trailing behind on their knees in all respects .
HH all
JP
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HamiltonTim..
Ha Ha..Your in..
The First CQNer l Would invite would of Course be OldTim67..So with Me..Him and The Obligatory Bar Fridge..I Might need to Hire a Driver..!!..;o)
001Bhoy
Summa
That would have been a great idea except its looking likely to be the last weekend in July as it suits more riders.
You sure you don’t want to extend your stay??? Because you could have carried the bags and repair kits. That was something I was going to be asking CQNers to provide. A wee support team.
We will be doing it for
The Kano Foundation
The Celtic Graves Society
and I was going to suggest
Niamhi which is currently being promoted by BRT&H as non Celtic sponsors would be more likely to give money to something not related to Celtic.
So if you can extend your stay I’d love to accept your kind offer. Go on. You know you want to.
BTW. I hope things are better for you again. Good news about your daughter getting in contact.
MWD
I usually don’t get involved in rammies on here but MWD is being vitupiterive to the wrong people.Celtic supporters are a broad church, and it shows on this blog. All movements need leaders, and that is what is required now. The board may already have a plan, we don’t know, but any such thing needs a huge legal challenge to the SPL and Doncaster, and all the rest (SFA, SFL)if they try it on as well. Money talks, and they would not like a legal challenge since it would
(a) –cost them a fortune and
(b) –play the whole sordid game out in public.
As for Ernie’s suggestions, why should Celtic self- flaggelate?
The second course of action is political. As well as writing to your own MSPs, write to the Tory money men like Osborne and the Labour guys like Ed Balls. Right up their street–they can pose for the cameras and stick it to Salmond at the same time.
Belfast Celtic resigned from the Irish League in 1949, and their loss is felt yet. They left a whole community bereft of a club they loved and were proud of, and gave them hope in darker days than the Celtic support are experiencing now. I hope Glasgow Celtic are not even thinking of such an act.
There is another way as well. It’s political. Each area where Celtic has supporter’s clubs and voters should gather every single voter they can. They canvas for the MSP or MP who they think will support truth and integrity in football and evenhandedness in policing and justice. No-one would go for that more than an office seeker–(Integrity?—I can do integrity!).
First–do Hearts in the semi-final. Then have a mass banner display at Hampden.
canamalar
What’s the answer then?
The way I see things is the club are party to the changes, is a rerun of Celts for change on the cards ?
This is doing my head in.
Money talks , always has always will, I know the others will sell their souls for afew shillings, but DD, I thought not.
I really hope I am wrong here mi amigo, but something is niggling away at the back of the decaying grey stuff.
What do the proposed SPL Regs actually mean? Do they favour Rangers, as many here seem to think, or penalise them, as the opinion seems to be amongst Rangers fans?
Will this assist in achieving the goal of “financial fair play” as espoused by Mr Doncaster?
One thing is certain. Unless the rules are drawn up very well, there will be a lot of work for lawyers arguing about their application, and I can see a newco Rangers arguing that its human rights are being brecahed if it is penalised for the sins of oldco.
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/04/12/the-draft-spl-financial-fair-play-rules-pro-or-anti-rangers/
Margaret McGill on 12 April, 2012 at 00:28 said:
Can you remind me where you live please?
Art of War on 12 April, 2012 at 00:24 said:
Much of football’s problems are down to lack of proper structures. It has not had to protect itself from competition as other businesses have to so it has never developed and matured in a normal business sense.
It is also very stupid and very slow to learn.
hamiltontim on 12 April, 2012 at 00:34 said:
I have spent a small fortune on Celtic in my lifetime. Cast no aspersions on me please. Huns thrive, nay, need Tims like you. Go ahead fund them.They need it.
OK lets look at this rationally…
1. If gers are liquidated then players will leave as clause in contracts state.
2. If they are allowed to remain in the SPL then it goes against SFA/SPL rules as the NEWCO team are NEW to the Scottish Footballing World and should therefore start at the bottom (in fairness of their own rules).
3. Rules are that if 5 or more of the current setup oppose any alterations then it won’t happen END OF.
4. If the worse was to happen the what is the point of deducting points off of a team that will be THREADBARE after the players use the clause in their contracts.
5. Wen the POWERS THAT BE decide to have a reasonable solution that is suitable to all the SPL teams then this will undoubtedly involve RFC NEWCO in Div 3 with a 2 year transfer embargo slapped on them.
6. And FINALLY does anyone Gers fans or Celts Fans really believe that Mr Whyte will just give up his 85% control of the club…. Get Real said he was a Bleeding Business Moneyman if theres a BOB to be made he will clutch it with both hands even if he was falling off a cliff so CHEERIO CHEERIO CHEERIO
Auld Neil Lennon heid on 12 April, 2012 at 00:29 said:
I totally agree regarding MSM they are really poor.
I sent an email the other week to SSB asking “when do SB renewals go to out to their fans and will they renew” ……when they read it out they changed the question and added on “that their fans have been remarkably loyal till now!”
Made me sound like one o them Aaargh.
Lesson learned, we do this ourselves, don’t expect help or fair play from anyone.
Stand up for the champions.
HH
JP
Jimphil90
…. and with an increasingly poor squad we have an opportunity to leave them trailing behind on their knees in all respects .
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So they’ll be on their knees to fenian b’s?
Like the sound of that!!!!! :-)
AoW
Canamalar – care to point out where I’ve shown my supposed self pity? Hmmm?
You really are a total buffoon sometimes!
Sweet dreams,
T4
Margaret McGill on 12 April, 2012 at 00:37 said:
I merely asked where you lived??!!
TET
one suggestion from me requires the sfl’s acceptance is –
I answered that question some time ago;
rather than the sfl 3rd, we’d take the demotion spot to the 1st division therefore saving our new sfl partners any organisational headaches.
We negotiate a tv deal with the sfl and get chanel67 on the case.
We request the sfl rewrite the rule book to provide a fair and open structure and governance.
We then begin legal proceedings against the sfa and spl for loss of earnings.
I expect a few more genuine legal cases could be brought against them.
By the time the uefa ban on scottish teams is lifted I expcet both the sfa and spl will have been bankrupted, which will require the sfl to step in and take over the administration of scottish football.
simples really.
Raymac
Surely you mean vetuperative.
And. Yes I have been tonight.
Thank you.
MWD
PS. Once you get the large and small intestines mapped try not to tickle the sphincter on the way out!
:-)))
hamiltontim on 12 April, 2012 at 00:42 said:
I know what you are insinuating. That I dont live in Scotland so I dont count like you tried to tell me once before.
canamalar
I saw that earlier, and I agree it’s simply really.
But…..what about my sugestion that the club are complicit in the proposed changes.
Sort of blows everything oot o the water does it not, and I think it will come to pass that they will have been found to have been complicit.
Everyone is very angry tonight and rightly so.
If all the gerrymandering was really just about the money, I could almost live with it, but it’s not.
It’s about supremacy and keeping timmy down. The masonic and orange cards have been well and truly played.
In the final analysis we are solvent,morally,ethically & financially.
They are sewage,from top to bottom,and they know it. By now,so does everybody else.
Sky & ESPN will get no more of what little money I have. Channel67 will get my money (they don’t ask a lot!),I will continue to buy merchandise & get to see a match in person when I can.
I’m sick of letting this scandal,caused by Rankers,continue to do my head in.
I love Celtic & everything to do with our Community. End of.
Anyways
Catch you in the morn.
Need to sleep.
HH
fighting amongst ourselves – who pisses highest – deary deary me. night night all
u
Haven’t posted for ages but have to share my thoughts on newco before I go to sleep.
By my “back of a packet of fags” calculations if rangers* were demoted to div 3 then each club, excluding Celtic, would have to find 2000 fans a week to compensate for no Rangers* in the SPL. Calcs:
Assume tv deal is renegotiated for £6m per season.
£1m to winner, £5m to rest. Leaves teams excluding Celtic approx £0.5m per season down, on average.
No rangers* away fans, loss of rev to each team based on 5000 x 2 matches x £25 ticket = £250k
Total loss of rev = £750k / 19 home games = circa 1600 fans @ £25 ticket, roundup to 2000 to cover concessions etc.
Obviously other revenues would be at risk from 2 less rangers* matches, i.e. corp hospitality, sponsorship perhaps etc, but additional revenue may come from having additional opportunity to challenge for honours.
So are spl prepared to sell their soul to a newco for sake of 2000 fans per week? In reality many more may walk away if newco is permitted with minimal punishment. 10 points would still guarantee 2nd spot most seasons if not all.
Thoughts?
THE EXILED TIM on 12 April, 2012 at 00:46 said:
I hope you are wrong. Complicit? with hunnery? To make money? after what they have done the last 15 years?
140 years!
miki67 on 12 April, 2012 at 00:47 said:
In the final analysis we are solvent,morally,ethically & financially.
They are sewage,from top to bottom,and they know it. By now,so does everybody else.
They’ve been publicly humiliated WORLDWIDE.
Now open another browser bud and stick on the Celtic Channel 67 and cheer yourself up bud , it’s them that should be miserable OUR club are the champions .
HH
JP
Maggie M
I hope I am wrong, but looking at it from a business side of things I think not.
The spl is made up of member clubs, said member clubs have to agree on any proposed changes to the rules, and I doubt that Doncaster would have proposed said changes without said board members approval, of which we are a member.
I hope I am way of the mark here. but…….money, greed……
Talk later bhoys and ghirls.
Take care and god bless
HH
Margaret McGill on 12 April, 2012 at 00:46 said:
As a Celtic supporter all our opinions count. However, if you continue to use words like ‘stupid’ when referring to those of us who chose to follow Celtic away from home then you will perpetually have people like me questioning your right to comment.
Surely you can appreciate this?
THE EXILED TIM on 12 April, 2012 at 00:53 said:
Let’s see how it pans out. If you are correct then it means that the current custodians are no better than thems. I find that hard to take.
hamiltontim on 12 April, 2012 at 00:55 said:
If Celtic supporters had started boycotting away games 15 years ago we would not be in this disgraceful situation.
THE EXILED TIM on 12 April, 2012 at 00:34 said:
canamalar
What’s the answer then?
The way I see things is the club are party to the changes, is a rerun of Celts for change on the cards ?
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TET – things have moved on from ’94 – back then we were more collectively focused. A smaller umbrella – support (in numbers) was drawn from; buses (CSA & ACS), through fanzines and some very vocal Rhebels (and dare I say it – very good press exposure).
Problem is today that these elements are numerically diminished. Plenty of blogs – internet activity probably makes us more aware of what’s going on but collectively we don’t gather often enough to discuss face-to-face.
The G.B. probably boast 200-400 members – back in ’94 the buses could muster 200-300 delegates (each representing anything from 30/40 members to 150+). We may attend in large numbers at CP – however, we no longer congregate collectively in a social sense outwith a home game.
It would take a serious master-plan to get Celtic Supporters together collectively and make a damning strike before the season’s end.
Reaction from other fan’s message boards suggest that for once they see the common enemy as RFCiA – it’s up to us to foster that. Interact with them – kill the myth that they percieve we are 2 cheeks of the same arse(nal).
Hence my piece on boycotts!
I propose a CQN legal team tie up the shakers for years to come.
Leading the eagles would be Kojo ably assisted by the outrageously talented Swinging Detective. Their charges would include Ernie the visionary, MWD the public relations officer, Kilbowie Kelt the righteous, Maggie McGill the psychic and more to be added soon to green pound them into oblivion.
maks sense to us
Still laughin……. furiously.
MWD
Ok my final post is this:
RFC Bidders:
Bill Miller Fortune = £40m RFC Debt £130m+ answe = Liquidation
Blue Knights Fortune = Not a Lot (Ticketus excluded) = Liquidation
Bill NG Singapore Businessman Fortune = £100 – 200m has many other companies so not much funding for this = Liquidation
Night all