Resolutions to be voted on at the 30 April meeting are proposals from the Scottish Premier League executive (Neil Doncaster). They have nothing to do with the Gang of 10 nor are they a Duff and Phelps/Rangers conspiracy. The resolutions are not set in tablets of stone and have no authority in their own right. The League has form in voting down executive resolutions, in particular overthrowing plans for a 10 team league last year, so, in theory, the votes could go for or against.
Neil Doncaster, being as thorough as he is, has almost certainly shared his plan with the man along the corridor at Hamden, SFA chief exec, Stewart Regan. He is also likely to have taken guidance from the Uefa executive, specifically CEO David Taylor, formerly of this parish. It would be unnecessarily lax to leave legislative loose ends before embarking on such a radical plan, so forget about any intervention by the SFA (cough) or Uefa.
Putting preconceived notions aside (if I can), the resolutions are flawed.
Asking for 8 clubs to vote for a Newco to be allowed into the league, but requiring 11 to vote for a financial penalty to be imposed for an Insolvency Transfer, is beyond ridiculous. The former provision – the gift of continuity to a defaulter – is easy to achieve. The latter – the punishment for defaulting – is unnecessarily difficult. Duff and Phelps will need the support of only one club – let’s say Dunfermline, who are brogue-to-brogue with them anyway and due to relegation will not be affected by the financial penalty, will vote with them. Why would Doncaster put such a high bar on setting financial penalties?
Arbitrary voting thresholds smack of gerrymandering. Can anyone explain this in any other way?
There will now be a period of debate between clubs; Celtic will oppose any provision for a Newco to enter the league. Duff and Phelps will be in the opposite corner. You can expect to hear wailing and gnashing from Rangers (IA) along the same ridiculous lines they have used ahead of the SFA hearings into the behaviour of the club in advance of, and after, Craig Whyte’s purchase of the club. On that occasion, Duff and Phelps argued that the actions of Rangers’ new owner, or the failure of the old board to conduct their business correctly, should not lead to a penalty on the club.
It doesn’t matter how lax or severe the proposed penalties, Duff and Phelps will oppose them. Anything lessening of the penalty is worth money to the proposed new buyers of Rangers, so let’s view everything Duff and Phelps say in pound notes.
Rangers have unpaid bills potentially running up to £134mm that’s medicine, operations, road repairs and Help for Heroes. Allowing them to ditch their history and start afresh, where owners profit by securing a floating charge over the stadium, where fans can continue to be provided with a team in the league, creates an unprecedented moral hazard. It rewards irresponsibility and would create a queue of clubs ready to do the same.
And on the point of ditching their history… I openly mock anyone who uses phrases like Hybrid Liquidation. You don’t get Hybrid Liquidation, Partial Liquidation or Liquidation Lite. You cannot buy or sell history, as Duff and Phelps tried (and failed, I think) to convince Rangers fans. Liquidation would mean Rangers Football Club, established in 1873 (or 1872 as they now claim), incorporated in 1899, is finished.
Just pay your bills and do us all a favour.
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your whole argument and demeanour today is that of a victim.
we should continue to allow ourselves to be cheated and oppressed to stay in a corrupt association, it is preferable to trying anything new.
Your proposal on league restructuring was dependent on both the sfa and the spl accepting it ffs and you call me a bufoon.
I offered a very simple and crude suggestion to take both the sfa and spl out of the picture, easily developed. You immediately dismissed it out of hand. You appear more interested in partnering corruption, by competing in that competition, we validate its has a right to administer over us, that is exactly what you are advocating, compliance and know our place, that is the mindset of a victim in my book.
The wallowing selfpity bit is when you greet about why should we suffer because someone else broke the rules, that is a sad sad place to be and no recognise it.
Regardless of the outcome you prefer we compete in and validate corrupt competition.
Margaret McGill on 12 April, 2012 at 00:59 said:
Come on now surely you can’t hold the Celtic away support responsible for the current situation, that would be bizarre in the extreme??
You may have a point that an away boycott earlier could possibly have put pressure on the other SPL chairmen but there wasn’t the will or desire amongst the support or the manager.
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(and covered wi’ warts).
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When are we gettin’ hitched..?
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Kojak on 12 April, 2012 at 01:06 said:
and no CQN team would be incomplete without the schizo…would you like to volunteer?
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hamiltontim on 12 April, 2012 at 01:09 said:
I think all SPL clubs are Celtic parasites. Figure it out.
praecepta on 12 April, 2012 at 01:04 said:
A fantastic post earlier and a real insight into what any sort of boycott, home or away, would entail.
You’re correct, those advocating a boycott before the end of the season are being unreasonable, it’s too soon and consequently likely to fail.
What would be your suggestion and out of interest would you have the will, desire and energy to get involved again?
Having read Paul McConvilles blog and Paul67’s I was wondering on what basis a decison will be reached that “Oldcos” share can be transferred to “Newco”. What is known about Newco at that point that can give confidence that it will be run by fit and proper persons or that its business plans are sustainable and projections of income and wage expenditure sensible?
Would they meet SFA club licensing criteria? No three years of accounts for example. So do the SFA need to change their licensing rules, put in place to avoid chancers taking part. Rules that if anything need tightening not opening up?
Is this a rule where in fact it will only apply to Rangers, maybe Hearts but teams lower down will get the thumbs down because the club coming up is a better commercial bet?
This is a set of proposals put forward by an organisation whose job it is and whose rewards depend on meeting commercial objectives. They are therefore self serving and cannot go unchallenged by those whose job is supposedly to protect football from itself and its worst excesses and uphold fair play in all its shapes and forms.
Margaret McGill on 12 April, 2012 at 01:13 said:
I think all SPL clubs are Celtic parasites. Figure it out.
Can’t disagree with that , how many teams bring any kinda reasonable numbers to CP for a game?
v St Johnstone there was less than 200.
and they’ve had a decent season and played no too bad at all , at least their team had a go if not their “fans”
HH
JP
auldheid..,
can you recommend any commitee’s that could be put together to think about how to make no decisions ??
are you ignoring my question about the confidentiality agreement between the sfa/spl/uefa ???
incomplete=complete
I apologize to both CQN clubs.
The CQN alzheimers afficionados club together with the CQN gerontion
mob
Wyld Wood cider, a new one on me – it’s been in the fridge and you gotta love these educational holidays.
A few weeks or so agto, maybe less, the government flouted it’s privacy laws. They have been met all round with cynicism and big-brother fears. Those with any PR nouse figured it out straight away, it’s classic PR management. there will be new laws, but they won’t be as bad as all that. Certainly not as bad as what you thought they would be.
Neil Doncaster is acting without the clubs. To speculate that Celtic are ‘in on it’ is fair enough, to actually believe that Celtic are is, let me be polite… wrong, wrong, wrong. He is flying a kite – they are proposals. The reaction amongst Rangers fans on forums and Twitter has been positive, as you would expect – they see a Leeds situation, no relegation, assets simply transferred to a newco and start again with the same history. Fans of other clubs are verging on the ‘game’s a bogey, no’ goin’ back’ view. Even some of the MSM, we have @STVGrant with this:
If Rangers FC continue in admin next season, they would on current points start on -21. Newco Rangers would start on -10. Eh?
Fans of each of the ten clubs (ignore Yorkston and thems) has to tell their clubs not in my name. This isn’t over, not be a long chalk. These are proposals, preposterous, panicky and Paul67 hints at it (maybe), there’s no way they will have been run past UEFA at this stage.
We’re understandably annoyed and angry at this, but as usual this blog becomes a poorer place with the in-fighting and the lack of class. Champions a few days ago, aye, still Champions. Celtic are not ‘in on’ the Doncaster words and there’s a long way to go on this. I know the end-game I want.
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The SPL’s new rule proposal gave D&D a get out clause today. (Might even have been a collusion between the 2)
I reckon that D&D were finding it difficult obtaining the, non returnable £1m, deposit from the preferred bidder. Too many hurdles ahead for that sort of commitment me thinks.
Kojak on 12 April, 2012 at 01:25 said:
ok as the psychic member I am gonna predict ok…here goes….
“Mare pish tae come”
THE EXILED TIM on 12 April, 2012 at 00:53 said:
Maggie M
I hope I am wrong, but looking at it from a business side of things I think not.
The spl is made up of member clubs, said member clubs have to agree on any proposed changes to the rules, and I doubt that Doncaster would have proposed said changes without said board members approval, of which we are a member.
I hope I am way of the mark here. but…….money, greed……
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If you are right then Celtic have been doing and saying things in private that make them liars to folk they trust. I doubt they are that sneaky.
Put yourself in Peter Lawwell’s shoes. If anyone has a right to be pissed off at Rangers it is him. They run themselves like a cowboy outfit at Celtic’s expense and at Lawwell’s expense in terms of criticism for doing the job he was appointed to do.
Neil Lennon too has suffered criticism when Rangers on finance steroids were depriving him of trophies last year and Tony Mowbray, for all he was not the right man, he too suffered greatly at the hands of the huns. These are all good Celtic men and like all good Celtic men they will be spitting mad and in no mood to compromise.
Celtic can only lose by not opposing these proposals by every means at their disposal and the idea that they are “in on it” belongs to a past era when no one had any idea of the full extent of the corruption Celtic have faced. and the Board were the default target.
It is time those days were gone too.
Bloke109..,
“These are proposals, preposterous, panicky and Paul67 hints at it (maybe), there’s no way they will have been run past UEFA at this stage.”
same question as auldheid
The confidentiality agreement between the sfa/spl/uefa is the only publicised outcome of the meeting concerning corrupt fc, no fears then ??
Portsmouth administrators earned around 600k for six weeks work. D&D in the same period? £1.9m. Nice work.
reilly
Very much so. D&D will hang around as long as possible. June 1’s when the contracst agreement runs out. Good day to bury bad news – end of season etc.
Auld Neil Lennon heid on 12 April, 2012 at 01:26 said:
Well that is what I am hoping for. However, with the new SPL rules I wonder if the Celtic bored are relieved that they dont have to show their cards or pissed off that they cannot? Which one do you think?
Bloke109 is Neil Lennon on 12 April, 2012 at 01:21 said:
Yup I think there is an elemnt of testing the mood in this. If the BTC result sare revealed and the full nature of Rangers behaviour becomes clear these proposals will only be introduced with a number of sweeteners to make them more palatable.
I reckon the club licensing issue which is the SFA’s province and is based on UEFA FFP principles could kill it. They would have to be watered down to allow a license to be granted and I cannot see UEFA accepting that.
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It’s one thing running it past David Taylor, quite another getting the whole thems scenario past the whole of UEFA.
The worst case scenario (for us) as I posted here the other night is that they will take a short-term hit points-wise and be in Europe via a newco transfer of assets. Given Platini’sand UEFA’s stance of late, given HMRC’s stance, given the feelings of fans of other SPL clubs, given the strength of media reporting (Thomson, others), given that their bidders are to a consortium, clowns… this ain’t finished. imo. .
Walk away from this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQyJtVqOOqU&feature=relmfu
Nae thanks.
hamiltontim on 12 April, 2012 at 01:15 said:
praecepta on 12 April, 2012 at 01:04 said:
What would be your suggestion and out of interest would you have the will, desire and energy to get involved again?
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I intend to post Part 2 of my Green Pound Fatwa tomorrow evening.
I believe that this time around the Board will act from within like a commercial ‘Trojan Horse’ – with the correct implication to the Support.
My summation: the Board will imply/ offer a scenario to the Gang of 10 – either accept the short-term benefits of the newco or face the wrath of the Green Pound.
The Celtic Board (with the backing of the Support) have the financial clout to ride out the storm. If they ‘open the gates’ by means of carefully worded directives – the Support (outwith) will determine the longterm outcome.
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Moonbeams..
I am Coming Home myself this time My Youngest fell back at School last Year.. She is 7yrs on August 1st .. Can’t miss Her Party..
Is there ANY way You can ask the Bhoys.. To do it Early or Mid July..
If it is at all Possible you can Have Me Most of my Time when I’m back from 28th of April.. I would Love to be Involved in this..and Have all the Time in the World to Help Out.. Or Organise..
Just don’t want to be away from the Kids for Over 3 Months..
Have a Think.. It would be Great to be Involved.. (Also Good for Me)..
Just think of That CamperVan in Front of Your Bike with a Bar Fridge and BBQ.. I reckon it Might Help with Time Trials..
Hail Hail
O01Bhoy
They will never be truely punished.
Those of us who live in Scotland know this…
Margaret McGill on 12 April, 2012 at 01:32 said:
Oh they will show their card alright and are in a position to demand the kind of concessions that would transform the way our game is run.
Auld Neil Lennon heid on 12 April, 2012 at 01:41 said:
Really? Can they veto a newco?
praecepta on 12 April, 2012 at 01:39 said:
Cryptic!!
Apologies I didn’t intend to force your hand regarding your up and coming exclusive :-)
So when do Celtic make their move?
Dumb & Dumber reap while Newco grows.
Regan said that he was happy to allow SPL (Doncaster) to investigate the dual contracts without SFA intervention. Where is this at? I have stated earlier that instead of hunting down the EBT’s the SPL have been rewriting the rule books to allow Newco. What has happened to the investigation? Anyone?
HH
Alex Thomson’s comment the other night was very prescient, but so hard for you and I to comprehend. From his perspective, and for others, this ain’t about football. It’s cheating the system, and, crucially, believing you can just get away with it, it’s fat-cats and Fred the Shred, it’s RBS – a Rangers b***s***. HMRC and UEFA get that. Much of the Scottish public gets it, the MSM may not get it, but they are a pitiful irrelevance. Tell your work colleague – aye they should have paid their taxes so I’ve no sympathy for them. Ignore the football side.
Bloke109…,
as someone posted earlier
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1848&newsID=959
note the date of the award and the presenter.
uefa agreed a confidentiality pact, whilst govt were involved in negotiations, remember the subject of the negotiations and justify uefa’s very public actions.
The uefa rep obviously had uefa’s permission to make the confidentiality agreement.
stinky stinky smelly
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on 12 April, 2012 at 01:29 said:
As I posted earlier failure to do their job and stand by their values opens UEFA up to the same what is their point as the SFA.
They either stand up for integrity or get engulfed by commercialism, I cannot see what is in it for UEFA to stand idly by and watch fair play principles emodied in the club license rules breached.
Platini praised a couple of Associations for standing for sporting integrity over commercial considerations in difficult circumstances in his Christmas statement. He only needs to draw a comparison to undermine the SPL proposals. Any backing will not come from support of Celtic or even to get at Rangers, it will be to preserve UEFA’s interests.
Praecepta – wish I had read yours 1st! :-)
I would suggest a fatwa on TFPLG but Gregg’s has beaten us to it!
HH
hamiltontim on 12 April, 2012 at 01:45 said:
praecepta on 12 April, 2012 at 01:39 said:
Not cryptic – it’s only my summation.
The commercial power of veto backed by a strong Support – could be more financially crippling than the revenue from one or two home games .v. them!
canalamar
Oh the irony, a system lauded fails miserably, used and misused as a cover for skullduggery.
And look at who are named as well, two guys currently in high profile positions.
I wonder how they feel about this catastrophic failure of their system? Will they want to know why or run a mile? Is that trainers Campbell Ogilve is wearing?
Keep the Faith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zi4FwUGsX4&feature=related
So the sfa and the spl have been working away to allow the newco into the spl and change the rules to suit their plan.Neil Doncaster and Stewart regan are more interested in changing the rules then enforcing them when the rANGERs are involved.
NO SUPRISE THERE …?
Liquidation was the plan from day 1 and a few people in the know knew this was the only option.
So what do we do as a club and a support ?
Dermot Desmond will control the way we choose to move on as a club and IMHO that will be to keep Celtic plc in the spl and the cash coming in.
As long as the fans are buying season tickets and the sky money is coming in there will be little change.
Fergus McCann built the stadium and got the season book sales up all this was his vision not Dermot Desmond’s .Over the last 10 years the Celtic support has paid for everything.But will stand corrected if anyone can provide some figures etc.
That now leaves it up to the Celtic support and each and everyone of us will have to make a personal decision on how they continue to finance the club.
The level of help they receive from the spl,sfa and other spl clubs will determine how we react to each one.
1.bhoycott ?
2.cancel sky/Espn ?
3.cancel season book
The first 2 choice would have to be a long term policy and would not stop the newco getting back in as the time is so short till the vote.Some of the away support just will not stop going under any circumstances and this is what gives the spl and sfa a big stick to hit us with.The 3 option is at the extreme for some and if they want to watch a rigged set up then that would be their choice as even the wwf got large crowds and filled out venues world wide.
This set up will change the whole of Scottish football and if the newco is voted straight back in then IMOH it is not about football anymore but just a CARTEL to take your hard earned cash an fund a corrupt business model.
So it will all come down to the Celtic support and how we made change or accept change.
Can we get enough numbers organised quickly to tell Celtic plc the sfa and sfa…..
NO TO NEWCO
Come on you bhoys in green
No more sitting at the back of the feckin bus
If it takes bringing Scottish football to its knees it can only be done by the removal of the green pound..!!
Jam67