God love Packie Bonner, spend “£20m to £30m to bring those quality players the fans are desperate for”.
There are two opposing world views: one where people call for unaffordable money [those figures would be]to be spent because fans of a football club are “desperate”, the other where people want football clubs to spend what they can afford.
The latter group remember football’s crash-and-liquidate days – and learned the lessons. The former also remember the crash-and-liquidate days, but they are impervious to lessons.
We can debate what the size of an affordable spend is, but a couple of parameters have to be observed:
If it increases the cost base to such an extent that a reversal on the field would plunge the club into financial disarray, it’s unaffordable.
Players need to be appropriate for the environment – with neighbouring clubs earning £100m each season from TV deals, only players of a certain profile will play for a club with a considerably smaller wage bill (and turnover).
We live in a time when Scots Steven Naismith went for £8.5m (1 goal in 9 starts) and Ross McCormack went for £11m. These are common values for this calibre of player. We all want Celtic to improve, but that will not be achieved by spending unsuitable or unaffordable money. Packie, think back to Valentine’s Day 2012 and add a dose of perspective.
Get better at scouting, get fitter, improve the coaching – and spend everything you can afford, not any more. That’s the model for Celtic.
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Uneaten = Unbeaten
Sorry cutting the hedge
Well some will say Paul67 is just a board mouth peace delivering a message in order to lower expectations of our support.Myself I think he is just speaking common sense we must live within our income we cannot go toe to toe in transfer dealings with EPL clubs one club in Glasgow tried that and we know what happened to them.The clubs over the past seasons who have knocked us out of Europe have not spent vast fortunes on players they just had better management and better systems than we had we need to stop our bulk buying policy and buy more prudently while bringing more of our own players from our expensive youth system. H.H.
I thoroughly enjoyed Sundays game up to and around the point were we stopped playing at 3-0.
That game was literally an example of our season as a whole. it couldn’t have been demonstrated any better.
Game aside, the Justice for the 96 display and thank you to the support was awesome and emotional. Good to see a couple of lads I know on the park being afforded the privilege of carrying the banner. Well done for that deserved honour HT.
Great to meet up and catch up with a few of the lhads and lhassies pre game too. That’s the stuff I really miss not attending.
Congrats to Celtic and the bhoys for 5-in-a-row.
Now it’s time to strip the squad of the rubble and employ the quality over quantity approach.
Another year of excusing investment based on a Hun liquidation would be disastrous. It’d be absolute bonkers. the ‘look see wjhat happened to him approach’ does my trumpet in. We supposedly have very intelligent businessmen on our board. Surely these guys can between them come up with a plan that finds a way to change the strategy and invest without it being illegal or taking us anywhere near the precipice that saw the Hun die. If the can’t then they should GTF! Because they are not capable businessmen.
MWD
Bitton is one of the best players at the club. It’s clear though that his performances have dropped considerably since he signed his new, lucrative and long-term contract.
The new contract is indicative of the enquiries Celtic have received for him, and the confidence the club has that he’s got what it takes.
A new manager, a new focus, and we’ll see an accomplished player emerge.
Berwick:-)
Timaloy29…,
Go look they’re no hard to find, I’ve given one example there are more you can find yourself, I’m no here to help you be lazy.
If you’ve got a counter argument then let’s hear it and provide one example like what I did.
GARY67 on 10TH MAY 2016 1:43 PM
timaloy29 sleeps on the heated driveway on 10th May 2016 1:36 pm
You should have a look at the market value of our players on Transfermarkt if you thinks I’m being optimistic!! :-)
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/celtic-glasgow/startseite/verein/371
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That website is pretty useless.
The point is, unless we sell to England we cannot get any money for our players. Teams on the continent are only interested in loan deals or negligible fees.
How much did we recoup for Scepovic? Pukki? Balde? Zaluska? Frindjonsson? Boerrigter? Murphy? Rogne? Bangura?
The only non-English transfer I can think of that generated any cash was Tony Watt.
It’s true that China might be interested in offering some cash for our players. It’s a new market. Let’s see.
If you use fees from Celtic Wiki then only Simunovic, Pukki & Boerrigter have cost £3m in last 6 years. No one above that. Two flops and a sicknote!
If all had went to plan Ronny would have been elevated to the manager’s position this summer and Lenny possibly to director of football, but as the wee Ayrshire fornicator and bevvy merchant said “the best laid plans” etc.
However, that idea fell flat on its face when Lenny baled oot on us, why, well not as first aired he saw the budget or he wanted out of the west of Scotland fishbowl as he’s back here living and wants his old job back.
Mibbees he thought the grass was greener down south, no matter what we are again left scrambling for a new manager, which might have happened anyway if the Ronny plan hadn’t panned out, we’ll never know.
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 10TH MAY 2016 11:57 AM
SANDMAN
Another myopic blunder by RD was to exclude the Honduran completely from the day KT won the left back spot.
The eighteen year old was lucky to survive with knocks and cramp, in most games.
If Izzy hangs around he could flourish again under new management, as will a few others.
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Agree completely. KT should have Been broken into the first team last season with last 20-25 min spells given the physical endurance required of this role.
And the burden shared in reverse this season.
Armstrong, a good centre mid playing to no huge effect out left?
Better to at least try an interchanging Izzy’s/KT combo?
HH jamesgang
Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on 10th May 2016 1:42 pm
Tell me more about how this happened.
MWD’s, the game was good until a few(not Efe) fell asleep and put away the tools.
The pre-game entertainment is as much a part of the day as anything else, that’s why it’s more than just a football club. It’s a community.
Anyhoos, flight called.
Gatwick here I come!
Good to see you on Saturday, catch a few beers over the summer hopefully.
CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 10TH MAY 2016 1:50 PM
Timaloy29…,
Go look they’re no hard to find, I’ve given one example there are more you can find yourself, I’m no here to help you be lazy.
If you’ve got a counter argument then let’s hear it and provide one example like what I did.
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You mention 3 or 4 players and all I did was ask who they were. I don’t understand the hostility.
I am aware of players we have signed but I’m not aware who every players agent is and to be honest I’m not sure where I’d get that info.
Agree Eddie
But I feel our chance has gone as everyone of the of fans will be too preoccupied by sevco to allow our kids a chance to bed into the team
BSR @ 1:43 PM,
Well you make a very good point as usual. The development players standard overall us not good enuff.
The “invincibles” might make a top Scottish Development side but when the Celtic bhoys played Chelsea they were 4 nil down in 25 minutes.
KT is the exception that proves the rule, we don’t develop players of the Quality we need in the first team.
Hail Hail
blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on 10th May 2016 1:55 pm
Agree Eddie
But I feel our chance has gone as everyone of the of fans will be too preoccupied by sevco to allow our kids a chance to bed into the team
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If they are good enough like the Maloneys, McGeadys and KT they will break through regardless
HH
DAMO LENNON on 10TH MAY 2016 1:28 PM
ernie lynch on 10th May 2016 1:17 pm
Not against the wishes of all the people who lived there, no. There has been a continuous Jewish presence in Israel for centuries and the Arab population were offered their own state too, which they rejected in favour of a war they lost.
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What proportion of the people who lived there were in favour of the creation of the state of Israel?
ernie lynch on 10th May 2016 2:00 pm
Why don’t you tell me?
CHAIRBHOY
Agree, further illustrated with O’Connell Nesbitt and to a lesser extent Henderson struggling to make
an impact on loan.
HH
Bayern sign Mats Hummels and Renato Sanches…Man Utd were desperate to sign the latter. Interesting times.
HH
TRADITIONALIST88 on 10TH MAY 2016 2:05 PM
Who would you prefer to play for? Ancelotti or LVG? Europa League or Champions League?
Not surprised he chose Bayern
Timaloy29 I nearly choked on my sandwich. Lawwell working pro bono!!!!!
Anyway it’s not about Lawwells million pound remuneration. Nor indeed his weird non contractual bonus awards.
It’s about having someone who cares about the football and not just money.
And in any case, on a financial performance basis the boards performance is simply appalling.
timaloy29 sleeps on the heated driveway on 10th May 2016 2:07 pm
Bayern all day long. Man Utd should enjoy the FA Cup win if they can beat Palace, their successes under Fergie will be far fewer going forward
HH
The Battered Bunnet
I have never seen any evidence that Bitton is an average footballer never mind one of the clubs best.
Have sayed v consistently he is a flatterer.
Our struggles this season were no surprise to me considering the central role he occupies in the team.
I fail to see what a managerial change would add to his potency.
As I’ve previously stated in the first half of 1-1 draw with Ross county I specifically took his stats to see wether I was being harsh on him.
Of 9 forward passes only two were to Celtic players.
The other apps 14 were sideways and backwards.
He was wrong side of his man frequently and twice this created County chances.
He also committed his usual obligatory foul Ito give them a free kick in dangerous area.
That is a snapshot of most of his performances this season.
Is it any wonder we’ve struggled with his central role being pivotal to success?
This is explosive. Gazza received an EBT in 1995.
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The SFA: Fit for SFA
Posted On 10 May, 2016 – By lostbhoys – With 4 Comments
CWDMIncredibly, this blog isn’t about the recent ‘Anyone but Celtic’ performances of Alan Muir and Bobby Madden. There has been a recent flurry of chatter about corporate governance in the Scottish game particular to the Scottish Football Association role in the EBT inquiry and Resolution 12. Information on Resolution 12 is about to be released by Celtic and The fantastic Res 12 guys who have fought it constantly so let’s have a close look at the SFA in general regarding EBT et al.
Folk who have been following this since 2010/11 won’t have been surprised by the Off Shore Game’s revelations as it as they have been well known in various circles for at least four years now. Similarly, everyone knows Rangers cheated with EBT, everyone knows they did it to gain a sporting advantage and, certainly, everyone who as seen or read The Asterisk Years knows that Lord Nimmo-Smith is one of David Murray’s men.
It’s important to focus on the SFA in all this and, whisper it, this is the one area I take the side of Rangers (IL). The SFA knew from the start that Rangers were doing a tax avoidance scheme. Their first dabble was when they signed Paul Gascoigne was signed in 1995 and he already was having his Lazio wages paid into a tax avoidance scheme in Jersey. Incredibly, it was Craig Whyte who first uncovered this when he saw details of the Italian tax authorities claim against Rangers over the transfer of Gascoigne.
None of this was ever reported. The SFA were fully aware of this. The same SFA who were, at exactly the same time, delaying the transfer of Jorge Cadete.
The EBT went into full swing when the last brick was laid at the new Celtic Park. Rangers knew their debt was spiralling and that their rival was about to start pulling in 12,000 more supporters than they did at home games.
Again, the SFA were fully aware of it.
So it went it on until at one point, 2004/05, they were hundreds of millions in debt and fielding a team entirely of cheats yet still no one batted an eyelid.
So in 2009, when HMRC finally got wind of the Rangers EBT scheme, there was a problem. HMRC took this problem to the SFA who, in the parlance of our times, shat themselves. They immediately went to Rangers and Martin Bain and said “Hey, what have you naughty boys doing with this EBT scheme?” and Bain told them what anyone would “The same thing we have been telling you about for years”
The SFA had just thrown Rangers under the bus.
It also key to note that the SFA informed every member club, through lawyer Rod MacKenzie, of what was happening.
Except one.
It was March 2012, a full three years after the SFA knew about the HMRC investigation, that Celtic realised they had been kept in the dark about this investigation and it was Eric Riley who stated this at meeting with the SFA, with much fury it has to be said,
It is therefore staggering that Campbell Ogilvie, the man who administered the EBT scheme, would then become President of the SFA. Or is it? Is it really?
I’ve seen mention by various journalists that they can’t touch this because of “legalities” which, not to put t0 fine a point on it, is bollocks. There’s ways to do it, it’s the same way I told all of them who watched The Asterisk Years and it is summed up by one sentence “Ask the question”
Similarly, I do the same to you, are the SFA fit for purpose? Better yet, have they ever been?
Paul
@paullarkin74
NEGANON2 on 10TH MAY 2016 2:08 PM
That’s fair enough if you don’t approve of his performance and policy
I just wanted to clarify, as hefty as his wage is, it’s not the difference between success and failure for the Club.
Joe fillipi ah lazy journalism. The new cqn way.
Who is asking for is to go toe to toe with the EPL etc.
How about we go toe to toe with Malmö et al?
Jesus wept. It’s like being in a time machine this. The last couple of years have been screen wipe from certain memories and we are back to squirrels such as look st the Hun or look at the EPL.
The board led us to humiliation at hampden. They had 4 years to establish an unassailable position and they urinated it away on bonuses experiments and on being small minded.
And Paul is telling us that we should be delighted with it all.
Are you?
For those who have been talking about Paul Larkins blog on Hail Hail Media, Paul and the bhoys are back on the Homebhoys podcast live tonight(at about 7.45pm I believe).
Always a good listen but maybe even more so tonight…
HH
Damo..,
I’m thinking if you had all the info/evidence at your fingertips you’d still refuse to accept the truth portrayed by the facts, its a pointless exercise trying to argue with a Zionist. There are more non-Jewish Zionists than Jewish Zionists, most of those are anti-semetic who don’t want Jews in their country which is why they support the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Do some objective research.
Timaloy29…,
I did not say 3 or 4 players, I said the £3-4M players bought, which another poster mentioned two more then me.
BREAKING: Irish bookies suspend betting on Roy Keane to be next Celtic manager
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Lots of negative stuff re Bitton today (last thread as well), to my eye he’s a player who is comfortable and calm on the ball, defensively improving, scores a few…definitely one to keep in my opinion.
James Forrest…just needs to look at Patrick Roberts, then move on.
I agree with Eddie…, and said so a few weeks ago, forget signings this season use the money to buy out the contracts of those the new manager does not want and refine the squad.
BSR 2:04 PM,
Well that’s another case in point, I love to see the yhoungsters come through, but for every KT there are a dozen Feruz and Burchills.
We’ve invested too much (both financially and ideologically) in Lennoxtown not to make it work ~ IMO of course.
Hail Hail
CHAIRBHOY on 10TH MAY 2016 2:23 PM
I’ve stated several times that we were never going to start seeing the fruits of Lennoxtown until around 5-7 years after it opened. When the 1st group of lads that were there from 12-14 were 1st team age.
Even then an average of 1 player a season getting into the 1st team regularly would be good going.
Jam tomorrow???
Jam this afternoon???
HH
CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 10TH MAY 2016 2:18 PM
Right fair enough.
GARY67 on 10TH MAY 2016 1:52 PM
It’s a bit early to call Simunovic a flop or a sicknote. He’s barely played and didn’t do too badly when he did so.
He has had a bit of a time with it with injury yes. I’d probably point the finger at Ronny who has form when it comes to rushing players back from injury.
We were told that Simunovic was 50/50 with an ankle injury. Ronny risked him against Malmo and they stamped on his ankle almost immediately! He was deliberately crocked.
BADA BLING at 2.20 pm
That link you provided took me to the Record website. Can we please have a health warning as I for one do not wish to give that rag any clicks? Thank you, however, for the heads up though bookies odds often reflect populist guesses rather than real inside info. HH