Last week’s advert in the Tribune de Geneve was in English, despite the predominant local language being French. The primary target audience were Uefa representatives and functionaries, who are not drawn from the local Nyon catchment area, and will most likely speak English, with secondary target audiences in the UK. I hear both targets were reached.
There was a short-lived chat about which language to run with in Switzerland, but consensus was quickly reached that English was appropriate and sufficient. No translation was ever made.
Very much related to this subject…….
There was an incident when I was at school (many years ago). Two boys had exactly the same maths homework. This would have been fine had the work been correct, but the made exactly the same mistakes, so the teacher had sufficient proof to establish that he didn’t have two independently produced pieces of work.
The class lesson that day was, if you’re going to coordinate a response, you better get your facts right, or you’ll get caught.
Shortly after the Tribune de Geneve advert ran it was brought to my attention that some regularly-hostile-to-Celtic online loons were running with a line that an English advert had been sent to Switzerland and a French advert had been sent to an English newspaper by mistake.
This was fanciful, but not worthy of attention, because as you now know, there was never a French translation of the advert.
You can imagine my utter astonishment, therefore, that The Guardian claimed they didn’t run the advert because it was submitted to them in French, despite, as surely the world now knows, no French language version of the advert ever existing!
“If you’re going to coordinate a response, get your facts right.” It doesn’t look good, Guardian. It doesn’t look good at all. You’ve been caught in PR vice.
You know how PR works in Scottish football. Celtic and most clubs play with a straight bat: “This is the news relating to our games and events”, but there are clubs, personalities and organisations which are only tenable because of expensive and persuasive PR.
You remember the Poppy banner issue, which became news a full two days after a game, by which time PR could persuade journalists to run with a story which until then had no news value. You are only too familiar with some of the vacuous characters ushered into the game by newspapers demanding Lloyds Bank approve a takeover, while PR spun incredible lies about finance and probity.
The next time Celtic, or their manager, is vulnerable on a subject, look out for this Malign Influence. It battered Ronny Deila when he lost games, and recently went for Peter Lawwell.
My thanks to The Guardian advertising people, who confirmed to us this morning that the advert they received was in English. That’s the other thing about coordinating a Malign Influence, you need to get buy-in from a lot of people!
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Ivan Lendl back as Andy Murray’s coach. Should improve his Wimbledon chances.
Mr Blatter is only guilty of not favouring England and the USA, and if racism is the criteria for not hosting the world cup then why are the Euros in France?
HH
Macjay1on NeilLENNON on 12TH JUNE 2016 11:06 AM
Sorry
…………Ireland`s contribution in both positive and negative terms be ignored ?
Do you think that is fair ?
Stangely , no mention of …………..
The Spanish Empire
Portuguese
French
Dutch
The particularly obnoxious Belgian
German
Latterly American
Why not ?
Rhetorical question.
Nuffsaid.
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Because not relevant. Discussion was on alignment for WW2. Could that be the reason?
I think you’re right to say,
“Nuff said”.
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Ivan Lendl back as Andy Murray’s coach. Should improve his Wimbledon chances.
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well at least he cant get lendl pregnant like he did with mauresmo
allegedly
I think UEFA will be pleased were Russia to be one of the eight drop-outs after the finals group stage so the refereeing of the games between them and Slovakia and Wales should be entertaining.
The striking feature of the week-end games so far has been the amateurish goal-keeping early in matches.
Now, this is a true story, not a 1 April story.
Signage at George Best Airport in Belfast has been changed to honour… Kyle Lafferty! Talk about sublime to ridiculous.
http://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/airport-named-after-rangers-star-11460734
(And yes, he is actually a former player of the former Rangers)
Bit of chat earlier about monarchy.
Willie Hamilton MP summed it up fifty years ago when he described the duke of Edinburgh as the biggest Social Security Scrounger in the country.
Worth remembering that the Duke was never backward at telling the lower orders how to raise their kids.
Macjay
I see you equated Irish neutrality with acquiescence to nazis plans.
Tell me the difference between Irish neutrality and the following countries neutrality.
Norway neutral until attacked.
Denmark as above.
Holland as above
Belgium as above.
USA neutral until attacked and had War declared on it by separate axis powers.
Sweden neutral never attacked didn’t join allies and continued to trade iron ore with nazi Germany.
Vichy France neutral after armistice but actively collaborated in round up of Jews and other “undesirable” elements. Fought against allied forces with a determination lacking when facing German troops.
Ireland neutral never attacked didn’t join axis powers and assisted Britain and the allied forces to the limit, and beyond, of neutrality.
Another thing which makes the Irish situation unique is that even after being offered the six counties as a reward for participation in the war they refused. The USSR and various central European countries actively assisted the belligerents to gain territory from their neighbours.
Eamon De Valera was many things, a coward, thief and traitor in my eyes, but not a nazis sympathiser.
Definitely my last post on the matter. You have your opinion and I have mine, don’t think we will ever meet in the middle.
It is one of the mysteries of Ireland that the name of Michael Collins is not revered as it should be. To me he he is the greatest Irishman that ever lived. There have been others–Wolfe Tone, Emmett, Connelly, but he stands alone. Walked the walk, talked the talk. De Valera took himself off to America after been sprung from jail by Collins. He waited until the fighting was almost done before coming back. Antagonised American sympathisers, tried to get Collins to go to the States so that he himself could garner the kudos of the fighting men.
I could go on. There are more books to be written about the man. An Irish collossus.
SALTIRES EN SEVILLA @ 11:02 AM,
Interesting stats on the population.
I did now about the Ireland – England situation.
My English history teacher taught us that when the population of England was 5 million, the population of Ireland was 7.5 million.
Still not sure you have been fair on Scotland there. The population of Scotland would have been low due to 18th Century conflicts and the clearances. The Highlands were as heavily populated and industrious as any part of Scotland then. That changed and the population has never recovered.
What did happen was an increase in the late 19th early 20th Century to the population of the Central belt. This was due to needing bodies for the heavy industries, such as mining, the steelworks, shipbuilding etc.
London has never gone out it’s way to assist Scotland outside what was beneficial for them.
Hail Hail
Nationality is irrelevant now.
There are good people in Scotland, Ireland and England.
There are radges in Scotland, Ireland and England…………
…………and it is the same in any country in the world, and ’twas ever thus.
………………. Except Yorkshire of course, they are all radges ;)))
Owen
Agreed with almost everything in your post.well done,too much nonsense talked about Irish WW2 neutrality.
However I do think you are a bit harsh on Devalera,not his biggest fan by any means but to brand him a “coward,thief and traitor” is a bit harsh.
A Machivellian politician for sure but “coward thief and traitor” ? I cant agree
CHAIRBHOY on 12TH JUNE 2016 12:42 PM
‘London has never gone out it’s way to assist Scotland outside what was beneficial for them.’
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Thought that was the Jews?
RAYMAC
Not only not reverered ” some clown Irishman shot him “
TIMBHOY3 on 11TH JUNE 2016 11:46 PM
This anti england campaign on here, needs to stop,there are plenty of English Celtic supporters ,I hear there accent’s a lot when Celtic are playing at home,watching the England game to night ,I thought they should have won,and I’m sure they will do well in this tournament,
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I hope England get gubbed, but that is football. My reasoning is partially due to the antics of some of their fans. But you are absolutely correct about an anti English bias. Not so sure that it is a campaign though.
I have met and drank with some of the English Bhoys before games. They deserve equal status as Celtic fans.
Racism is wrong. All Racism is wrong, and selective Racism is wrong.
Hail, Hail to all Celtic supporters regardless of Race, geography, colour, religion or nationality.
Reminder that there are still a few remaining Res12tance t-shirts left (only 3 large and 4 medium left with around a dozen XL and XXL)
You can get yours here:
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Also order Charlie Gallagher book signed and get a copy of Winds of Change for free. Ideal for Father’s Day next Sunday. Order at bookstore…
Looking forward to the next week or two. Our day will come.
* No Yorkshiremen were harmed in the construction of this post :)
Macjay gets his kicks out of antagonising the Irish diaspora on here. He annoyed me a few times but doesn’t any more. I still don’t like him and he is one of the very few Celtic men on here that I wouldn’t want to meet or shake hands with. Not that that will particularly bother him either nor should it.
I am very much aware of my Country’s History and yes we were for the most part a Colonised people and did provide the human fodder for the Empire’s War Machine.
Thankfully though we were never totally subjugated and we did win freedom for 26 of our 32 Counties and we continue to work & dream of a United Ireland.
We now have a decent working relationship with the English but the vast majority of us still want them to get pumped whenever & whatever they play.
Love him or loathe him, JJ highlights criminal pasts of Barton and King and hints of further scandal to come for ‘glib and she,melees liar’
https://johnjamessite.com/2016/06/12/a-synergy-of-white-blue/
i want to see england get beat at football, but dont mind seeing them win in other sports like cricket and rugby, and also like to see their athletes do well
its a football rivalry and the pc do-gooder brigade who equate that to racism make me want to ralph it
WITS
Coward: he did no fighting during the Rising nor the war of Independence or the civil war. Tim Pat Coogan wrote he had had a complete nervous collapse during the Rising and then ordered the Bureau of Military History to destroy testimony of those who witnessed it. Liam Lynch, IRA commander during civil war and paraphrase here as I do not has book to hand, said he would be a bit less blood thirsty if he had to do some of the fighting and dying himself.
Thief: tell all the Irish American investors in the Irish Press which got worthless A shares whilst his family got the dividend earning B shares.
Traitor: he knew exactly what Collins and Griffiths would be able to secure, having already met with Lloyd George and knew that partition et all was a fait accompli. He then traduced their signing of the treaty despite delegating full plenipotentiory powers to them, inciting the civil war in consequence.
A more horrible politician you would struggle to find, but no nazi sympathiser.
Rant over >:)
Raymac on 12th June 2016 12:41 pm
Amen to that.
HUNDERBIRDS ARE GONE on 12TH JUNE 2016 1:00 PM
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Don’t worry Hunderbirds they’ll be fine.
Yorkshire born, Yorkshire bred, strong in body but thick in head.
No offensive intended to any Yorkshire tims.
HH.
bourne, You are one of my favourite posters but your post at 12.54 is silly to the extreme.
There was a most bitter & divisive war in Ireland, the atrocities visited on Republicans by the Free Staters was far worse than anything experienced in the War of Independence.
Collins was killed in action by a fellow Irishman. Both men were shooting at and trying to kill each other. Both were Irish, Sonny O’Neill & Michael Collins, both believed they were fighting for Ireland.l.
No winners here all losers. a sad sad period of our History that still hurts to this day.,
WILLMACUFREE on 12TH JUNE 2016 10:31 AM
‘The British empire was founded in ultra violence’
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I do believe a bit of the old in-out, in-out came into play too.
Viddy well, brother.
LittleAlexCSC
Bets today….Mandzukic@11/2, Lewandowski@3/1,
Tam Muller@100/30,first goal patent.
My son was given the Italy top for his birthday the other week so I promised I would get him the shorts to go with it.
We tried a few shops with no success then today we find his size in sports direct. He has only been in there once or twice before so as we are waiting in a longish queue to pay he is looking around and says to me in a loud voice , “Dad, what’s liquidation?” Thank you God says I.
Don’t worry, he got as full an answer as I could muster with subtle mentions to a deid team for everyone in the queue.
Couldn’t have been better if I had set it up.
corkcelt on 12th June 2016 1:01 pm
Macjay gets his kicks out of antagonising the Irish diaspora on here. He annoyed me a few times but doesn’t any more. I still don’t like him and he is one of the very few Celtic men on here that I wouldn’t want to meet or shake hands with. Not that that will particularly bother him either nor should it.
I am very much aware of my Country’s History and yes we were for the most part a Colonised people and did provide the human fodder for the Empire’s War Machine.
Thankfully though we were never totally subjugated and we did win freedom for 26 of our 32 Counties and we continue to work & dream of a United Ireland.
We now have a decent working relationship with the English but the vast majority of us still want them to get pumped whenever & whatever they play.
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Mo Chara, I agree 100% with you. Certain posters, a tiny minority, seem to have issues with Irish nationalism and all that entails but one in particular posts some of the most bumptious nonsense in support of his ill-conceived and utterly ignorant view on Irish neutrality during WW2. Not sure, and neither do I really care, what Macjay’s origins are (English / Scots) but each time I read one of his posts ranting on about De Velara or the Irish during WW2 I envisage a sad lonely ‘Alf Garnett’ type figure surrounded by mementos of Britain’s imperial past who daily curses the bolshie Paddys for having the temerity to lead the way and herald the end of the BE Empire. He may well be a Celtic supporter but not one that I would recognise as being so.
Hopefully this works.
Photographs of Celtic’s Nina Fitzsimmons and the boys from St Joseph’s Altar Boys team and Father Celiphius from the village of Mendulo in Malawi.
Nina is part of a visiting team from Coatbridge who are out there, teaching donating clothes, providing finanical support and generally raising moral and International awareness of the difficulties facing the people of Malawi where there is an ongoing food crisis.
This village is number 171 on the list to get a Mary’s Meals feeding station.
Celtic Football Club provided the strips and other associated clothing and support.
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owen on 12th June 2016 1:11 pm
I agree with that 100%. The most important thing to Eamon de Valera was Eamon de Valera.
Called himself “President of the Irish Republic” when his actual title was President of Dail Eireann. When he escaped from prison, announced that the proper place for the President of the Republic was the USA, then when the Truce was agreed the best place for the President of the Republic wasn’t negotiating a Treaty with the British, it was sitting at home in Dublin.
As you say, he gave Collins and Griffith plenipotentiary status, but in the same breath told them they had to check with him before they signed anything, allowing him to distance himself from the Treaty.
In the event, Collins and Griffith were strong-armed by Lloyd George (“got two letters here, peace or war. One being sent to Belfast by destroyer at midnight, you decide which”) and didn’t have time to check in.
Then de Valera came up with an alternative to the Treaty (external association), which in practical terms was no different to the actual Treaty, but that the British were never going to accept.
He bears a heavy share of responsibility for the subsequent civil war.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckv8rcUWYAEXmW3.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckv9eg0WEAA5l3i.jpg
These might work
OGLACH on 12TH JUNE 2016 1:30 PM
‘Macjay’s origins’
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Maybe more likely to be Irish diaspora in Scotland, aspirational, ambitious and therefore very keen to integrate into the host society. (I’m talking about his background rather than him as an individual). All topped off with a bit of attention seeking and mischief.
Well I’m ooofff oottt to a Barbecue at my daughters place.
By the way she is married to an English chap who supports West Ham.
I’ll commiserate with him about the late Russian goal, ha ha, never claimed to be perfect.
Till laters.
Hunderbirds
HH from a rainy afternoon in Bradford
https://youtu.be/Rm6VC5gdaFA
Sandman. And lots of tolchocks too my droog.
Didn’t know you had Medium in those Resistance T-Shirts until now.
Order made!
So … Turkey or Croatia?