Last week’s advert in the Tribune de Geneve was in English, despite the predominant local language being French. The primary target audience were Uefa representatives and functionaries, who are not drawn from the local Nyon catchment area, and will most likely speak English, with secondary target audiences in the UK. I hear both targets were reached.
There was a short-lived chat about which language to run with in Switzerland, but consensus was quickly reached that English was appropriate and sufficient. No translation was ever made.
Very much related to this subject…….
There was an incident when I was at school (many years ago). Two boys had exactly the same maths homework. This would have been fine had the work been correct, but the made exactly the same mistakes, so the teacher had sufficient proof to establish that he didn’t have two independently produced pieces of work.
The class lesson that day was, if you’re going to coordinate a response, you better get your facts right, or you’ll get caught.
Shortly after the Tribune de Geneve advert ran it was brought to my attention that some regularly-hostile-to-Celtic online loons were running with a line that an English advert had been sent to Switzerland and a French advert had been sent to an English newspaper by mistake.
This was fanciful, but not worthy of attention, because as you now know, there was never a French translation of the advert.
You can imagine my utter astonishment, therefore, that The Guardian claimed they didn’t run the advert because it was submitted to them in French, despite, as surely the world now knows, no French language version of the advert ever existing!
“If you’re going to coordinate a response, get your facts right.” It doesn’t look good, Guardian. It doesn’t look good at all. You’ve been caught in PR vice.
You know how PR works in Scottish football. Celtic and most clubs play with a straight bat: “This is the news relating to our games and events”, but there are clubs, personalities and organisations which are only tenable because of expensive and persuasive PR.
You remember the Poppy banner issue, which became news a full two days after a game, by which time PR could persuade journalists to run with a story which until then had no news value. You are only too familiar with some of the vacuous characters ushered into the game by newspapers demanding Lloyds Bank approve a takeover, while PR spun incredible lies about finance and probity.
The next time Celtic, or their manager, is vulnerable on a subject, look out for this Malign Influence. It battered Ronny Deila when he lost games, and recently went for Peter Lawwell.
My thanks to The Guardian advertising people, who confirmed to us this morning that the advert they received was in English. That’s the other thing about coordinating a Malign Influence, you need to get buy-in from a lot of people!
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The other point about contrasting the respective roles of Britain and the Republic during WW2 is that everyone is assuming that Britain acted purely out of some altruistic, high minded concern for others or because of a revulsion against fascism.
In truth Britain’s engagement in the war was a s much to do with protecting the empire as anything else.
Britain’s attitude towards fascism can be judged from its response to the Spanish Civil War, ie indifference at best and tacit support at worst.
Spot on Ernie
Most accounts of GB in WW2 are written in the post imperial period.
Drastically understate or ignore the extent which GB geopolitical approach in 30s-50s was predicated on protection and maintenance of empire.
Your point about the blind eye turned towards the Spanish Civil War is also spot on.
HH jamesgang
CHAIRBHOY on 12TH JUNE 2016 12:42 PM
SALTIRES EN SEVILLA @ 11:02 AM,
Interesting stats on the population.
I did now about the Ireland – England situation.
My English history teacher taught us that when the population of England was 5 million, the population of Ireland was 7.5 million.
Still not sure you have been fair on Scotland there. The population of Scotland would have been low due to 18th Century conflicts and the clearances. The Highlands were as heavily populated and industrious as any part of Scotland then. That changed and the population has never recovered.
What did happen was an increase in the late 19th early 20th Century to the population of the Central belt. This was due to needing bodies for the heavy industries, such as mining, the steelworks, shipbuilding etc.
London has never gone out it’s way to assist Scotland outside what was beneficial for them.
Hail Hail
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Yes good point on the Highland clearances and not my intention to skew the numbers (using census numbers only)
The direct comparison on relative numbers clearly illustrates that 2 countries grew in population dramatically after 1850’s and one didn’t. England more than trebled and Scotland doubled.
It is also worthwhile noting that the population of Ireland (ROI) reached a low point below 3 million in 1901 and continued to decline to 2.8 million in mid 1960’s. Population didn’t rise above 3 million until the late 70’s.
I readily accept Scotland only fared better in the Industrial heartlands.
On the role of ROI during WWII – check out Robert Fisk’s excellent ‘In Time of War’ which has some fascinating insights into how De Valera resisted Churchill on the Treaty Ports and numerous other interesting insights.
Holiday reading – highly recommended ( not sure if it is available on kindle/digital)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Time-War-Ireland-Neutrality-1939-45/dp/0717124118
HH
PHYLLIS DIETRICHSON on 12TH JUNE 2016 9:48 AM
Talking of the Roy Aitken reserve days…my mate was the goalie at that time Joe Q , a right wee tim. HH
Mon the Croats.
Croatia/btts & Poland/btts, 21/1 double
CORKCELT
Apologies, if I’ve made myself misunderstood.
Sometimes the internet lets us all down, and no offence was meant, ( or taken with your reply )
” some clown Irishman shot him ” was a quote (ingrained in my mind) hence the quotation marks, and I was trying to highlight the complexity of what happened.
A very complex war made specifically so, by our enemy,
Hail Hail
I met MacJay briefly at a Hootenanny last October. He seemed a nice man . By his own admission he hasn’t visited Ireland since 1974.
In 1974, a gallon of gas cost 55 cents, Nixon resigned, Ali fought Foreman in ‘Zaire’. Scotland qualified for the World Cup in ‘West Germany.’
A lot has happened in those 42 years. Even Rangers died.
Can anyone remember who scored Scotland’s goals in 1974?
Jordan and Lorimer,I think
ERNIE LYNCH on 12TH JUNE 2016 1:47 PM
Britain’s attitude towards fascism can be judged from its response to the Spanish Civil War, ie indifference at best and tacit support at worst.
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The Spanish Civil War was very complex .
Many countries had a fear of communism. But of course you know all that.
What we don’t know is : would Catholism have been completely eliminated in Spain if the Second Republic had prevailed.
HH.
Macjay @ 2.04
“Those photographs MAY have been an example of them satirising or mocking the Hitler salute.
As Charlie Chaplin did in ” The Great Dictator.”
I don`t know.
However , any suggestion that the King and Queen supported Hitler is frankly ridiculous.
Buckingham Palace was bombed. “
It is pointless to admit that you do not know and then dismiss the concept as ridiculous, especially citing non-targeted bombing as proof.
I am afraid the whole history of appeasement by anti-semitic aristocratic figures including the Royal household and their circle has resounding evidence in its support. Of course, when offered the bribe of being given the top Royal job in exchange for being ever more covert in their nazi-symapthising than their brother and brother-in-law had been was enough of a bribe to keep them on the side of Jolly Old England.
You are credulous in the face of far-fetched evidence of Trade Unionists betraying this country to the Reds but you close your mind to the stronger evidence of where the country was actually betrayed to the fascists. If the Nazis had won the war, Bertie might have got his throne back but, if not, George and Ms. Bowes-Lyon would not have been difficult to reach agreement with.
Here’s some rebuttal of revisionist history from 2 right wing sources:-
The King’s Speech
The King’s views
Greenpinata
“What we don’t know is : would Catholism have been completely eliminated in Spain if the Second Republic had prevailed. ”
I think the experience of Mexico suggests that it would.
Not everyone in the 2nd Republic were antireligious (though the Communists were unlikely to tolerate a rival cult) but most knew that the Spanish Church and hierarchy had a long record of siding with landowners against the peasantry and workers and the anti-clericism was based on that.
Donegal v Fermanagh Ulster quarter- final on BBC2 NI for anyone interested.
Beautiful strips worn by both sides.
Donegal’s strip this season is an absolute belter.
TRI…
Daughters boyfriend headed out earlier to watch it in the Vicky bar, my neighbour (the tim one) asked me how to get a hold of one for his son, I’ll ask Thomas when he gets in.
SIPSINI
https://www.oneills.com/shop-by-team/gaa-county/donegal-gaa.html
GREENPIÑATA
GREENBINGLEYINOSLO
Lol :)
Fantastic goal from Modric.
Mon the Croatia -)))
Owen
We will agree to disagree about Devalera
As I said he wouldnt be top of my Christmas card list but coward thief and traitor maybe going too far though you make your point well and feck him anyway
The greatest put down of Devalera was made in the Dail in the 40s by a Fine Gael politician called James Dillon who said that Devaleras ancestors “were banging banjos and bartering budgies in the backstreets of Barcelona” while his — Dillon’s — “fought for Ireland down the centuries on the continent of Europe.”
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/an-irishman-s-diary-on-censorship-and-the-oireachtas-1.2232376
https://www.oneills.com
Sipsini,
Good site for browsing through.
BMCUWPs,
Yep, Jordon and Lorimer against Zaire. 0-0 v Brazil and a late goal for a draw by Jordan against Yugoslavia.
West Germany has since re-united with East Germany. Zaire is now the Democratic Republic of Congo and Yugoslavia is now 7 countries.
Enough material there to keep Macjay going for a while:))
21-5-79 …
Thanks for the link, I reckon one of his family sent it over. HH
Clogher Celt
“Yugoslavia is now 7 countries ”
I blame Devalera’s neutrality policy during WW2
Well said, Brendan McCullum.
Just listened on the radio to the recently retired Kiwi captain’s Spirit of Cricket lecture given at Lord’s. A spell-binding tale, moving New Zealand away from the modern sledging environment of international cricket to reignite it’s sense of sporting integrity.
Also, didn’t miss the ICC and it’s lack of support for those inside the game who come forward to report corruption.
How I wish the powers that be at Celtic Park would look over the parapet and take a public stand against the corruption in Scottish football.
I remember Scotland’s 1974 World Cup goals vividly.
Lorimer screamer of a volley, from edge of the box from a Jordan downward header.
Jordan poor header that went through the rubbish Zairë goalies hands.
Jordan left foot finish from near the 6 yard box
Always wished Joe Jordan had worn the Hoops.
For anyone who fancies combining a bit of Celtic and a bit of culture too, Packie Bonner talks about his book “The Goalkeeper Who Saved the Day” at the Embra Book Festival in August.
https://www.edbookfest.co.uk/the-festival/whats-on/packie-bonner
When a club like Leicester are reportedly preparing to pay some of their players £100k/week – it shows how skewed football in Britain has become.
A provincial club now on verge of ‘shelling out’ £70/80 million per year on players’ wages alone.
Wages in the English Championship are said to be, on average, between 94% and 106% of turnover, as clubs strive for the ‘riches’ of the EPL.
Celtic, on an even playing field, would no doubt be among the top six in the UK – however we are constrained by the game in Scotland, and have to ‘cut our cloth to suit’
We have got off to a great start to Brendan’s reign – fans have ‘put their money where their mouth is’ – however we will never be able to compete in the crazy world of transfer fees and wages that is now engulfing the game.
Critics of Celtic must be mindful of our financial limitations – we run a tight professional ship, of course not immune from mistakes and/or lapses of judgement – in saying all that, I believe we are in for an exciting season – we will be challenged as the majority of Premiership clubs appear to have strengthened.
So let’s hope for many ‘full houses’ at Celtic Park and a return to the Champions League HH
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CURE PLEASE FOR A VERY VERY SLOW L TOP. TRIED HAMMER AXE DEFRAG AND HAIL MARY!!
TRI…
Cheers mate, I was going to go and watch it but being more football minded I stayed in, sensible on my part.
Countdown for Dublin, are you making it?
The royals and the nazis, pictures to beat the band.
Strange how the royals are revered and the nazis arny, they are one and the same imo.
https://www.google.es/search?q=prince+philip+nizi&client=firefox-b-ab&tbm=isch&imgil=LHN8OcBR-DJpKM%253A%253BdNGWH_m2kvGIiM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%25252Fnews%25252Farticle-3167585%25252FPhilip-Nazi-funeral-day-sister-lunch-Hitler-TV-documentary-reopens-painful-chapter-duke-s-family-past.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=LHN8OcBR-DJpKM%253A%252CdNGWH_m2kvGIiM%252C_&usg=__Bmr1opQbz8TV0Da7tx_NtAM_SZE%3D&biw=1440&bih=763&ved=0ahUKEwjSmIK90qLNAhUsb5oKHYklA48QyjcIRQ&ei=UmpdV9KnO6ze6QSJy4z4CA#imgrc=LHN8OcBR-DJpKM%3A
I’m hearing Bonnar is already working on his follow up book, the keeper who sold the jerseys
JUDE2005
New laptop or tablet.
I sure Joe “gift of a goal” Hart would have saved the Modric shot,whilst all the time catching flies with his huge open gob…
Sipsini,
I’m assuming you mean for the Barcelona game?
If so,no mate,I won’t be down for that.
Was back in Clydebank last weekend but was a quiet time for me.
Had a lovely visit back mind ye.
Croatia should be out of sight,but they ain’t.
Those Ladbrokes ads with the fat useless gardener and that other gibbering eejit are truly cringeworthy.
..and utter crap as well.
HH!!
WITs,
Yep.
Do you want to tell MacJay that one third of the soldiers who fought for Wellington at Waterloo were Irish.
Wellington being a Dubliner.
He of ‘Your Country Needs You’. Lord Kitchener, was from Ballylongford, Co Kerry. He went on to the scorched earth policy and concentration camps against the Boers.
And another Anglo Irishman, George Wade of Killavally, Westmeath. Immortalised in God Save The Queen/King.
Lord, grant that Marshal Wade
May, by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush
And, like a torrent, rush
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the King.
TRI…
Ye the barca game, I missed out on the Dublin hootenanny due to cash flow or a bit tight for money at the time but looking forward to going over wih my son for a few days, catch a beer during the season.
Might be old news, not sure…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36510550