Last week’s advert in the Tribune de Geneve was in English, despite the predominant local language being French. The primary target audience were Uefa representatives and functionaries, who are not drawn from the local Nyon catchment area, and will most likely speak English, with secondary target audiences in the UK. I hear both targets were reached.
There was a short-lived chat about which language to run with in Switzerland, but consensus was quickly reached that English was appropriate and sufficient. No translation was ever made.
Very much related to this subject…….
There was an incident when I was at school (many years ago). Two boys had exactly the same maths homework. This would have been fine had the work been correct, but the made exactly the same mistakes, so the teacher had sufficient proof to establish that he didn’t have two independently produced pieces of work.
The class lesson that day was, if you’re going to coordinate a response, you better get your facts right, or you’ll get caught.
Shortly after the Tribune de Geneve advert ran it was brought to my attention that some regularly-hostile-to-Celtic online loons were running with a line that an English advert had been sent to Switzerland and a French advert had been sent to an English newspaper by mistake.
This was fanciful, but not worthy of attention, because as you now know, there was never a French translation of the advert.
You can imagine my utter astonishment, therefore, that The Guardian claimed they didn’t run the advert because it was submitted to them in French, despite, as surely the world now knows, no French language version of the advert ever existing!
“If you’re going to coordinate a response, get your facts right.” It doesn’t look good, Guardian. It doesn’t look good at all. You’ve been caught in PR vice.
You know how PR works in Scottish football. Celtic and most clubs play with a straight bat: “This is the news relating to our games and events”, but there are clubs, personalities and organisations which are only tenable because of expensive and persuasive PR.
You remember the Poppy banner issue, which became news a full two days after a game, by which time PR could persuade journalists to run with a story which until then had no news value. You are only too familiar with some of the vacuous characters ushered into the game by newspapers demanding Lloyds Bank approve a takeover, while PR spun incredible lies about finance and probity.
The next time Celtic, or their manager, is vulnerable on a subject, look out for this Malign Influence. It battered Ronny Deila when he lost games, and recently went for Peter Lawwell.
My thanks to The Guardian advertising people, who confirmed to us this morning that the advert they received was in English. That’s the other thing about coordinating a Malign Influence, you need to get buy-in from a lot of people!
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ERNIE LYNCH.
Maybe, so why pour more fuel on the fire?
What was it somebody said about sport being a unifying force?
Gerrybhoy, Starry Plough,
I’m another former Holy Cross Bhoy, started in 1967 (a very fine year I believe!) and left in 1972. A long daily trip for a Busby Bhoy.
HH
Reading back, I saw mention last night of Holy Cross school in Hamilton. I know the headmaster, John Reilly, from back in the day (late 70s). He used to be the heedy at my alma mater, St. Mungo’s. He played in the same Celtic Boys Club team as Alan Brazil and Roy Aitken and is a massive Tim though I suspect he has to suppress that. A nicer guy you could not hope to meet – he was a bit of a lad in the old days but what happened then stays there.
FRIESDORFER
From Busby that’s quite a hike, I had guys from Carmyle and Tolcross in my class right enough..
I had the long hike from Quarry Street:))
HH
ERNIE LYNCH @ 9:05 AM,
I believe you are quite correct, MACJAY1is purporting the often missinterpreted survival of the fittest scenario.
This like many other narratives that allows the Establishment and Capitalists to exploit the populace for it’s own purposes.
I have seen very little indication that the great things achieved by humankind were done on the back of this aspect of “human nature” quite the opposite in fact.
Of course there has always seemed to be a “devil take the hindmost” mentality to certain aspects of our society but for me, this was in order that a selfish few could advance to the detriment of the majority.
This “selfish gene theory” is anathema to me.
For me humankind is in tune with a humanistic approach and flourishes through self-actualization.
There is a huge body of evidence that this is our true human nature.
An interesting take on the subject was aired on the BBC’s “Life Scientific” program on EO Wilson.
“Known to many as the founding father of socio-biology, E O Wilson is a big hitter in the world of evolutionary theory. But, recently he’s criticised what’s popularly known as The Selfish Gene theory of evolution that he once worked so hard to promote (and that now underpins the mainstream view on evolution).”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0639kzv#play
EO Wilson, who was a main purponent of the “self gene theory” has at a ripe old age and after many years of rigorous analysis concluded that nature works far better in an altruistic manner.
If the “selfish gene” is prominent in our society it is because it is taught to us seruptitiously firstly as children then into adulthood. Like the rest of our schooling system it is geared to fashion cogs in the Capitalists system rather than Educate with Truth and Knowledge.
Hail Hail
ERNIE LYNCH
We have worse problems here.
It’s been a good start to the Euros. Some decent games – not great football but close and competitive matches for the neutral or, in some cases not to neutral, fan. And a few late goals too!
I’d suggest reading some of the commentary on the blog there is a narcissistic sociopathic strain that sadly is not something learned but genetically birthed. Some people, and there are many, just do not have the ability to be selfless or empathetic and live their lives selfishly with a want to own and control all that they can financially and emotionally.
Sadly the world is ran by these type of individuals.
MWD
The famous Glasgow Celtic
Read the night shift, glad I was not involved, I’d prefer to be back counting dots.
Macjay 1 for Neil LENNON on 12TH JUNE 2016 1:19 AM
OWEN on 12TH JUNE 2016 1:03 AM
Macjay
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The British empire was founded in ultra violence, and maintained by savagery visited upon small nations from Ireland to Australia. Neutrality from the savage one was the sensible option.
Take a wee look at “Britain’s Empire” (Richard Gott). I think you’ll be disabused of notions of Benevolent Britannia, which is the brainwashing we got in Scottish (small nation) schools.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-36339524
Posted this before. Starvation in the empire
Wee vox pop on French tele .
English chap residing in Marseilles–
” England playing Russia in this city is the most stupid managerial decision made since a highly paid American record company Executive concluded that the solution to the Beach Boys drug problem was to get them to record an album in a quaint cultural backwater called Amsterdam “
MWD,
We’ll that’she an interesting take…
If you look at Maslow’s pyramid, as long as those in charge can keep the vast majority on the first two rungs (if you can have rungs on a Pyramid) they can manipulate by controlling basic needs and installing fear.
Yet you do point out an anomaly which has long bothered me.
Why would those in a privileged position where they have money, security, access to knowledge and true facts act in this coercive manner. As superior beings as it were… very disconcerting.
Hail Hail
BOURNESOUPRECIPE
That’s a great picture:))
UEFA opening enquiry into Russia fans behaviour in the stadium for racism and attacking English fans according to SKY Sports News.
Lads.
Not going to be involved in a long drawn out debate about the British Empire which was formed pre-1921.
The Scots ,the Welsh and the English must all take responsibility for the crimes committed for and by the British Empire.
We can also take pride in the fact that former members of the B.E. are some of the most democratic , civilised successful and dare I say decent , nations on the globe.
Why should Ireland be ignored
The 1841 UK Census counted the population of England and Wales to be 15.9 million.[10] Ireland’s population was 8.2 million in 1841.[11] The population of Scotland was 2.6 million.
Anyone wondering about the engineered destruction of Ireland to the benefit of England ( and Scotland) consider the steady growth in population of England and Scotland since An Gorta Mor!
England 55 million (more than trebled)
Scotland 5 million (doubled)
Ireland (32 counties 6.4 million give or take significantly reduced and probably halved until very recently)
Why?
Leaders of countries measured strength and potential wealth in population ( or able bodied men) to work industry and agriculture or die in battle, as a strategic asset until 1930’s.
Ireland was savaged for a reason, it is little wonder that there remains huge resentment at the systematic destruction of one nation by another, for nothing other than material gain!
Personally, I like and admire most of the English people I meet as neighbours, colleagues or socially. I wish them weel.
The people would lead them/control them are the scum of the earth!
Sorry
…………Ireland`s contribution in both positive and negative terms be ignored ?
Do you think that is fair ?
Stangely , no mention of …………..
The Spanish Empire
Portuguese
French
Dutch
The particularly obnoxious Belgian
German
Latterly American
Why not ?
Rhetorical question.
Nuffsaid.
Green dot update for the remaining available sections
445 – 4
402 – 3
410 – 1
411 – 38 (mostly restricted view)
412 – 1
413 – 3
415 – 1
416 – 18 from the original side released (looking up from the pitch that’s be the left hand half) and 88 on the right hand side (perilously close to some expected unwanted singing)
Totals – 67 (nice!) plus 88 (also nice!!) = 153.
Anyone count the grey dots yet?
” UEFA have announced that they will be conducting an Investigation re England v Russia — without doubt barbarian idiots will be blamed , both Associations will be fined and not a word will be said re the decision to play such a game in the most problematic city in France . . Presumably another investigation will be instigated after the next round of games which are being held all of 25kms apart ”
Sicilian radio -12 o clock news-12 6 16
Good Man Jobo for your persistence. I gave up when Celtic kept releasing another block of 100 each time the dots dropped to about 80.
Don’t think grey dots are all sold seats, obviously the vast majority are but Celtic will be holding back a few seats in all sections for the Tourist Fans, plus of course the away section..
WILLMACUFREE on 12TH JUNE 2016 10:31 AM
‘The British empire was founded in ultra violence, and maintained by savagery visited upon small nations from Ireland to Australia.’
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But Britain have an empire because the British people were uniquely cruel or savage. It was because of economic circumstances which in turn arose largely due to an accident of geography.
BRTH
Made a donation towards the Moonwalk.
Sorry that should read
But Britain DIDN’T have an empire because the British people were uniquely cruel or savage.
Cheers Corkcelt. GIven the extent of the take up I’m surprised Celtic haven’t taken advantage of some good PR here by giving an idea of numbers sold. Theye don’t even need to be precise. Even something like “over 46,000….”.
Can’t understand what damage is done by confirming the figures, even though clubs rarely do.
For Macjay
I’d have thought that someone favouring Capitalism would have known…………. http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/05/hitler-was-financed-by-federal-reserve.html
HH
JOBO BALDIE on 12TH JUNE 2016 11:23 AM
The statement production machine has broken down.
But don’t worry, it’ll be fixed soon and there will be statements flying everywhere on all sorts of issues.
TIMBHOY3 on 11TH JUNE 2016 11:46 PM
This anti england campaign on here, needs to stop,there are plenty of English Celtic supporters ,I hear there accent’s a lot when Celtic are playing at home,watching the England game to night ,I thought they should have won,and I’m sure they will do well in this tournament,
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I’m totally with you on this one.
I hoped England would come together for once as a unit and do well in this tournament. Hoped they’d get to the final and Gareth Bale to score the winning goal.
MWD
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 12TH JUNE 2016 11:00 AM
Lads.
Not going to be involved in a long drawn out debate about the British Empire which was formed pre-1921.
The Scots ,the Welsh and the English must all take responsibility for the crimes committed for and by the British Empire.
We can also take pride in the fact that former members of the B.E. are some of the most democratic , civilised successful and dare I say decent , nations on the globe.
Why should Ireland be ignored
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Your original point was that Ireland in opting for neutrality aligned herself with Fascism, which would not have been your choice. I responded that the choice was neutrality or to align herself with the most savage Empire in world history.
I’m not sure how it follows that those now decent nations which have cleared them out owe their decency to the unwanted occupiers. Nor am I sure what you mean by “Why should Ireland be ignored?”
The World Cup in two years will be fun. FIFA will stick their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and sing lalalalalalala…………
THEORIGINALSADIESBHOY on 12TH JUNE 2016 11:31 AM
TIMBHOY3 on 11TH JUNE 2016 11:46 PM
This anti england campaign on here, needs to stop,there are plenty of English Celtic supporters ,I hear there accent’s a lot when Celtic are playing at home,watching the England game to night ,I thought they should have won,and I’m sure they will do well in this tournament,
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I’m totally with you on this one.
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There is a big difference between being anti English and wanting their national football team to get humped at every opportunity.
Gary67
Why just because the butchers apron brigade got their comeuppance from the Russian supporters?
HH
TIMBHOY3 on 11TH JUNE 2016 11:46 PM
This anti england campaign on here, needs to stop,there are plenty of English Celtic supporters ,I hear there accent’s a lot when Celtic are playing at home,watching the England game to night ,I thought they should have won,and I’m sure they will do well in this tournament.
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I get you about this. In our family prediction sheets for euro16, my boy has carried England all the way to the final where they lose to France. I think it’s the Sky/EPL influence. He’s fond of Arsenal as well.
By the by, has anyone a spare room to take in a homeless 16yo? References can be supplied.
WILLMACUFREE on 12TH JUNE 2016 11:47 AM
“Why should Ireland be ignored ”
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There can be no dispute that it was in fact the British and Irish Empire.
Created pre 1921.
And the attempted airbrushing of the substantial contribution made by Irishmen to the creation of that Empire is simply facile.
Why can`t we all just move on instead of antagonising fellow Celtic supporters who have the temerity not , in fact , to be Irish?
Buenas noches.
Gallagher
Couldn’t care less about drunk a’holes who follow England, they will get what they deserve. Have sympathy for those who just want to go watch their team though.
I would say racism in Russian football should have meant they weren’t even considered to stage the World Cup, but in Blatter’s FIFA it was the size of the brown envelopes that always prevailed.