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  1. The Green Man says SACK THE Board on

    I would only wear that ‘Cerise’ top if i could get a matching cape and slippers:)

     

     

     

    HH

  2. The pink strip is good : as a fashion item, to be worn on the beach or similar.

     

    The pink scarf is good, but the yorkie bar slogan in reverse applies.

     

     

    Not for a Celtic team though.

     

     

    HH.

     

     

    Ps : Can anybody imagine Bertie in a pink strip ?

  3. Saint Stivs says SACK THE BOARD on

    Law Lord who gave Rangers defeat over EBTs wants to continue hammering high earners who avoid tax

     

    LORD Drummond Young wasn’t shy about his forthright views on the validity of earnings being converted to loans.

     

     

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    THE law lord who handed down the crushing Rangers tax case defeat expects a “brutally realistic” view of tax avoidance schemes from courts in future.

     

     

    Lord Drummond Young hammered home his view that high earners paid through trusts are breaking tax law.

     

     

    He said precedent was set in UK courts as far back as 1904.

     

     

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    Celtic chief Peter Lawwell among club figures linked to £434million tax dodge

     

    His observations demolish the validity of earnings being converted to loans and come as the Rangers case is being appealed at the UK Supreme Court.

     

     

    HMRC won a victory in their battle with Rangers and ex-owners Murray Group when the Court of Session, Scotland’s top court, ruled the use of Employment Benefit Trusts breached regulations.

     

     

    Lord Carloway says the named person ‘has no effect whatsoever on the legal, moral or social relationships within the family’

     

    Lord Carloway says the named person ‘has no effect whatsoever on the legal, moral or social relationships within the family’

     

    That overturned two tax tribunal rulings in favour of Rangers in the so-called “big tax case”.

     

     

    The ruling would have left Rangers oldco with a bill for non-payment, interest and penalties of tens of millions of pounds.

     

     

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    Hotel raided by HMRC flying squad of inspectors in Fife as stunned guests sat down to breakfast

     

    Last November, Lord Drummond Young and fellow judges Lord Carloway and Lord Menzies ruled it was “common sense” that payments made to high-earning players from 2001 to 2009 via EBTs were earnings and not loans.

     

     

    That judgment is now to be tested in the Supreme Court.

     

     

    But in a highly unusual move, Lord Drummond Young pulled no punches addressing more than 100 legal and tax professionals at a seminar in Edinburgh.

     

     

    He said complex arguments put up by lawyers defending such schemes amounted to the “wealthy and well-informed” being able to contest that “tax is only for the little people”.

     

     

    He said such schemes amounted to “elaborate devices to re-direct payments to family members”.

     

     

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    Former MP offered to set up a meeting to discuss Craig Whyte’s tax affairs while he was running Rangers

     

    He added: ”As you are probably all aware given the amount of publicity that the case received for non-legal reasons, Murray Group were concerned with the tax affairs for a group of companies headed by Sir David Murray, the best known of which was Rangers Football Club.

     

     

     

    Sir David Murray

     

    “In April 2001, one of the companies, Murray Group Management Ltd, set up an Employee Remuneration Trust, known as the ‘principle trust’. This formed the basis of a scheme involving more than 100 sub-trusts, each in the name of an individual employee… to the benefit of the families of those employees.Those employees comprised both those involved in the management of the various group companies and footballers employed by Rangers Football Club.

     

     

    “What happened was that the group company gave monies into the principle trust with the direction that a

     

    sub-trust should be established and funded for the benefit of the family of one of the company’s employees.

     

     

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    Rangers FC: Ex-government minister Nigel Griffiths touted Ibrox players tax dodge to Craig Whyte as EBT scandal crippled club

     

    “The trustees and sub-trust extended a loan facility available to the employee which then enabled him to obtain immediate access to the funds that were paid to the sub-trust on his behalf.”

     

     

    Having laid bare how the trusts worked, Lord Drummond Young then trashed the idea that such payments were loans.

     

     

    Supreme Court, in Fleet Street, London

     

    Supreme Court, in Fleet Street, London (Photo: Supreme Court UK)

     

    He said they were clearly made as a result of the employee’s exertions and the actions of players’ agents in trying to get the best deals for clients was a “decisive” factor in showing that EBTs were earnings and not loans.

     

     

    He said of Sir David Murray’s scheme: “The existence of the structure of principle trusts and sub-trusts was clearly to derive benefits for the families of employees.”

     

     

    His address was titled The Rangers Case: HMRC v Murray Group Holdings – Substance and form – the triumph of reality over language? It fully backed his Court of Session ruling. He also said there were now clear precedents for courts to take a “brutally realistic” view of such schemes in future.

     

     

    When he handed down his ruling last year, Rangers said: “The Rangers Football Club and the entities which currently own and manage it are not party to these proceedings nor do we have any say in what happens.

     

     

    “The proceedings are a matter for those affected by them.”

     

     

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  4. Could not give a monkeys what colour the 2nd,3rd strips are.They are for casual wear normally.Have to give them a showing in a couple of games.So what?.If you want the money,put up with it.Find it hard to believe this is an issue with some.Last night game.The back passing.What is that all about?.We are not Barca.Surely Br can see that we,as a team are not comfortable with this.Far too edgy and fraught with danger as we saw last night.Nearly all the danger from Killie,was through this tactic going awry.Gordons kick outs have improved about 70%.That should be enough.Forward players are being starved with far too many passes being done in our own half,with a lot of it ending up in a punt forward anyway.

     

    E Tims Diary,which I love reading,have lost the plot today.Advocating getting rid of Moussa in January.The writer does not seem to fancy him too much !!!!!!!.Good God,sometimes Celtic fans are beyond my comprehension.Impossible to please.

  5. Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas on

    A very enjoyable time in Kilmarnock last might.

     

     

    We did what we had to, win the match, in far from ideal playing conditions.

     

     

    Back home in East Kilbride in less than half an hour after leaving Killie despite the mist on the M77.

     

     

    A good night all round.

  6. Just got back from the butchers there in castlemilk, getting the auld square sausages an black pudding, black ice everywhere, and colder than a witches tit, but all the locals seem in good spirits,

     

    And the mathadone choir where in great harmony at the side of the cash withdrawal machines, yes the Yule tide spirit is alive and well in castlemilk today, oh the joy

  7. Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas on

    Umbro designed some away strips which were far from pleasant on the eye.

     

     

    The light green one when People’s were the sponsors, we had a white top with an abstract green and gold pattern on it during the Hampden season and the followingq season we had a black top withblack and white stripes across the chest.

     

     

    Most gold away strips were good and the green and black striped Nike one looked good.

  8. Lord Carloways speech does not augur well for the Huns.I think their petition to appeal will now be turned down.If so,then they will have been found guilty.Title stripping must then be at the top of the agenda.

     

    The LNS judgement should then be deemed worthless.

     

    I can see more happy times in the New Year.

  9. The Green Man says SACK THE Board on

    As long as we have ditched that horrific blue goalkeepers top.

     

    A Celtic player in blue…..surely not.

     

     

     

     

    HH

  10. Congratulations to the brilliant John James Site,if as reported on here he has won an award at the Bloggers.Dont know how the Celtic bloggers got on,but John James always speaks very highly of Phil,The Clumpany,etc.

     

    My first read of the day is normally E Tims Diary,followed by,John James.Always gets my day off to a good start.

  11. Saint Stivs says SACK THE BOARD on

    TB,

     

     

    the e-tims diary made a wee comment other day that it was time to start “talking doon dembele” to try put off buyers.

     

    they are trying to be funny rather than wanting to cash in on the player,

  12. “When he handed down his ruling last year, Rangers said: “The Rangers Football Club and the entities which currently own and manage it are not party to these proceedings nor do we have any say in what happens.

     

     

     

     “The proceedings are a matter for those affected by them.”

     

     

    *****

     

     

    Aw naw, bad stuff aboot Rangers.

     

     

    Nothin’ to do wi’ us, guv.

     

     

    Whit’s that? SPFL website? Over 100 titles and trophies?

     

     

    Oh, aye, they’re definitely ours!

     

     

  13. Saint Stivs says SACK THE BOARD on

    never really understood why our marketeers dont just do the simple things.

     

     

    Our first kit – white with green hoops

     

     

    our second kit, exact same design as first kit – all green with yellow hoops.

     

     

    3rd kit if we really need one – all yellow with green hoops.

     

     

     

    its got to be hoops, and its got to include green.

  14. Celticrollercoaster supporting @WalkWithShay on

    Good morning CQN

     

     

    Just a reminder that the highest bid is £88 (although we did have a bid of £200 from a very kind CQNer, who immediately redonated the ticket) allowing the £88 to be re-instated. :-)

     

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    The WalkWithShay Campaign is delighted to be in a position to offer you a chance to bid on our auction of 4 CQN badges. The successful highest bidder will also receive a free ticket for the Celtic v Barca game next week, which is situated in the North Stand Upper, Block 404.

     

     

    Please submit your bids by email to walkwithshay@yahoo.com. Bidding closes on Sunday at 9pm and the winning bidder will be contacted soon after.

     

     

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  15. Phyllis Dietrichson on

    I’ve seen various posters over the last few days suggesting that the LNS decision will have to be revisited if the Supreme Court upholds the Court of Session verdict on EBTs.

     

     

    I’m not so sure it will.

     

     

    The LNS tribunal had no legal status – it did not set precedent. It was an SPFL tribunal which happened to be chaired by a lawyer, but it could have been chaired by Campbell Ogilvie, Donald Trump or Tony Donnelly. Given that the SPFL were complicit in defining the tribunal’s Terms of Reference, I very much doubt that they will be persuaded to have another tribunal.

     

     

    Good luck to the Res 12 bhoys – what a magnificent job they have done despite everything that has been thrown at them. There’s a book to be written there.

  16. Saint Stivs says SACK THE BOARD on

    i canny find the envelope with my barca tickets in it. Usually sits on the worktop at the back – door with my other mail.

     

     

    this morning , its not there,

     

     

    last time i remember having it was coming in after the borussia game.

     

     

    now , i am starting to panic as i cant find it.

     

     

    now either i have put it somewhere else for “safe keeping” and forgotten where

     

     

    or mrs h, who is at work today, has hidden it, as a feindish plan to make me clean up the hoose.

     

     

    what a palaver

  17. Saint Stivs

     

     

    “never really understood why our marketeers dont just do the simple things. ”

     

     

    Perhaps because their market research tells them that these chosen strips proved most popular during market testing feedback sessions with the paying public. And it does not matter how many old fogies there are decrying it, they are not the main market base for replica strips.

     

     

    If the yoot’ want Cerise ( I am assured this is the nemae of a colour thought it is not in my knowledge range of pallette which is restricted to primary colours only) then the yoot’ will get Cerise. Same as when we had the psychedelic Green and Brown Peoples strip: us old yins thought it was hideous but it was widely worn.

     

     

    I think we got off lightly. I looked at the copy of the 1967 Lisbon ticket, on which it is allegedly based, and that ticket is two tone. It was Pink (or cerise if you insist) and had a Brown stub.

     

     

    We could have been sporting Brown Shorts last night!

     

     

    Cue predictable jokes about being apt for the return of Dedryk :-)

  18. Last Christmas I gave you my heart

     

    But the very next day you gave it away

     

    This year to save me from tears

     

    I’ll give it to Brendan Rodgers

  19. Just as well the sleep over at Parkhead was not this weekend. Brrrrrrrrr.

     

     

    However for some sleeping rough in this weather is not through choice. Felt so sorry and helpless walking through the Merchant City to McChuills for the game. It is simple impossible to help everyone. I especially felt so sorry for young vulnerable girls. One young girl was so appreciative of the pittance we game her , and thanked us in a surprisingly articulate manner.

     

     

    IMO, this shames us all and our society in general.

     

     

    The contrast was so blo@dy evident. Fancy eateries and packed wine bars charging £40 + for a main course , while a few metres away cold, lonely fellow humans sat on blankets and cardboard.

     

     

    More power to the Celtic Foundation participants and CQN for helping , and showing we care.

     

     

    Hail, Hail.

  20. Cowiebhoy. I have tried to remember the colour of the ticket on that incredible day. All I know is that I have a picture frame which has a photo of Jinky, the match programme and a replica ticket….coloured pink.

     

     

    Still I do not like the present pink strip. It is interesting watching English games how many combinations of green, white and yellow there are down there. Just look at Norwich’s variations. Every time I see one of those I think why can’t our club come up with something similar.

  21. Fraid not St. Stivs

     

     

    These guys do their research. The Cerise strip will have been one of many possible designs tested AND it was the one chosen.

     

     

    Now maybe, those young people that chose the cerise strip, rejected the brown shorts option and saved us from a real eyesore and a terrible colour clash.

     

     

    Going by current yoot’ fashions, next year’s strip is more likely to be a plaid shirt with a stick on bushy beard- the lumbersexual Celtic look

  22. Hebcelt

     

     

    Yep the passing the ball out from the back philosophy can be frustrating and heart attack inducing in equal measure. However, that’s clearly the way Brendan wants us playing. As AngelGabriel has suggested, simple communication would help.

     

     

    I knew the captain of the Queens Park team when we played them in the Scottish cup a few years back. He said that Celtic were the quietest team he’d played against in a long time.

     

     

    Off out to Bar 67 for a few beers later with FGF and TGCW if anyone is around.

  23. See awe this debate about Moussa’s worth…

     

    Say we get £30 million for him…

     

    How much of that £30 million will reappear back on the pitch ?

     

    I would also predict that, Sinky will be worth £20 million…

     

    After our next 2 CL games….imho.

     

    Also,…..Brendan,….I’ll remind you that, there are 3 players who’ll

     

    Get a Cellic manager the sack….

     

    Bitton…

     

    McGregor….

     

    Rogic….

     

    You could add Boyata to that list…

     

    Boyata could go on and be a worsererererer scapegoat than…

     

    Big Efe has ever been….

     

    In fairness to Efe, was he not transformed by Lawwell into a CH…

     

    After one of the transfer window’s closed with the manager still waiting…

     

    For a CH and couldny get wan ?…the manager was either, Neil or Ronny.

     

    Efe Ambrose is the ‘best’ defensive mf at the club and yet, still…under Brendan…

     

    Efe has been playing out of position as a CH and, flukd it up in the friendly vs Barca…

     

    During the summer, but, but…..but,…Phil Mac has a video of Efe as a defensive mf and…

     

    Even though it was only Raith Rovers that he played against,….he was effin amazing!!!!

     

    Ah mean, we played a Killie team last night that, without looking up the team sheets…

     

    There is probably, hardly a player who’s name shouts out at you but, some of our defenders are being given lavish praise for they’re performances vs these players ????

     

    Thing is,….I’d put Efe in the defensive mf position before I’d have any of….

     

    Bitton…

     

    McGregor…

     

    Rogic….

     

    …in there….imho.

     

    So,…..Brendan,….if ye want me to do yer job for ye…well, here goes….

     

    Bitton – oot….Efe – in.

     

    McGregor – oot….John McGinn – in.

     

    Rogic – oot…..Christie – in.

     

    Just do it Brendan,….just do it.

     

    Oh and,….Brendan,…..

     

    Thank you for the work that you’ve done on….

     

    Stuart Armstrong and James Forrest.

     

    They’re now grand ole players who’ll only get better.

     

    Lustig is a smashing player as is Jozo but, both of these players were recruited with dodgy injury histories, just like Derk….hopefully that recruiter has been shown the door or, been reigned-in.

     

    Hopefully,….Brendan,…your Cellic team won’t fall victims to a referee with an agenda, like the one who reffed our home game with Juventus seemed to have….ye could see Dallas’s fingerprints all over that refs performance.

     

    Makes paranoid fans like myself wonder why, Cellic PLC didny challenge the appointmet of Dallas to UEFA or, oppose the appointment given that, Dallas had been dubiously sacked by the SFA ????

     

    Ah mean, he was sacked, wasn’t he ????

     

    If not – why not ????

     

    Then again, if he was sacked then surely he wouldn’t have walked into a job in UEFA ???? Surely ?????

     

    Seems that the only folk that the Cellic PLC will jump all over is wrongly convicted Cellic fans.

     

    What a mess.

     

    Only one way to tidy up the mess but,….Brendan the squirrel put paid to that.

     

    Oh and,….finally…..I think that we’ll win one and, draw the other of our remaining 2 CL games.

     

    But,……I fear that we’ll be mibberied in the LCF…..I’ve got bad, dark, ugly, soul-sucking vibes about that LCF…..only saying.

     

    ….off-oot….

  24. Phyllis Dietrichson

     

     

    LNS has already been discredited, with or without the Supreme Court decision.

     

     

    And if the SPFL don’t want to reopen the inquiry, given what we now know, well, they didn’t want Sevco in the bottom tier, but the clubs stepped in under the glare of the supporters and put paid to that.

     

     

    Time for similar, especially from the club which suffered most, or, as the article below says, we might as well all watch the wrestling, it being more of a sporting contest.

     

     

    From The Offshore Game.

     

     

    “The Scottish Football Association, in seeking to defend itself from allegations that it unfairly awarded Rangers a licence to play in Europe in 2011/2012, appears to have admitted that it withheld evidence from the Lord Nimmo Smith inquiry into rule breaking by the club in its use of tax avoidance schemes. 

     

     

    In 2013, a commission headed by Lord Nimmo Smith decided that sanctions should be imposed on Rangers in respect of tax avoidance schemes that involved the non-declaration of payments to players, contrary to the rules of the Scottish Football Association and the Scottish Premier League. The commission could have decided to impose a points penalty on Rangers, which would have meant the club lost titles. They did not, instead a fine was imposed.

     

     

    The decision not to strip league titles was based on the finding that no advantage had accrued to Rangers, since any other club could in theory have conducted the same, legal schemes.

     

     

    As we explained in our report “Doing SFA for fair play”, that judgement was clearly wrong on the facts. One of the tax avoidance schemes run by Rangers was unlawful and had been accepted as unlawful by both the club and HMRC before the start of the commission’s inquiry. The question remains, how did the commission get this so badly wrong?

     

     

    Now, in a letter to Celtic shareholders, it appears that the SFA has admitted that at that time of the inquiry 2012 it was in possession of a letter from HMRC describing the behaviour of the club as ‘fraudulent’. But the SFA appears to have made no attempt to bring this to the attention of the inquiry, who continued on the basis that all of the Rangers tax avoidance schemes were lawful.

     

     

    TWO TAX CASES

     

    Rewind to 2012. After the glory years under owner Sir David Murray and managers including Graeme Souness, Rangers’ overspending had finally caught up with it. Like Sir Philip Green with BHS a few year later, Murray sold the club for a pound to a relatively inexperienced buyer with a dubious track record. In Green’s case, mismanagement of the pension fund had created an ultimately existential threat to the company. In Murray’s case, that threat came from uncertainty over a tax liability arising from two tax avoidance schemes run during 1999-2011.

     

     

    In the end Rangers went into administration as the tax avoidance schemes set up by Murray were attacked by HMRC and the club simply didn’t have the money to pay their tax bill.

     

     

    There were two schemes operated by the club. The first scheme (the ‘Wee Tax Case’) was only uncovered when police investigating a separate allegation had taken documents from Ibrox Stadium. In May 2011, HMRC wrote to the club in the strongest possible terms. Under the heading ‘Failure to operate PAYE 2000/01-2002/03: Decision letter’, the tax inspector set out a demand for £2.8 million, and wrote: ”I have decided to make the assessments as it is my view that the amounts reflected in the assessments arise due to the deliberate failure or fraudulent behaviour of the company” (emphasis added). Rangers did not end up contesting that assessment and admitted liability for the bill.

     

     

    The second scheme (the ‘Big Tax Case’) ran from 2002, and has been the subject of multiple court findings and appeals. As things stand, HMRC is victorious, with the Court of Session having deemed the scheme also unlawful. The Supreme Court is considering whether to hear an appeal, however. More importantly for the present issue, at the time of the Lord Nimmo Smith inquiry a specialist tax court had found in favour of Rangers. On that basis, the commission wrote that the scheme was not unlawful.

     

     

    The commission decision not to consider title-stripping turned on the following points. First, they considered the two schemes (or rather, the trusts through which they operated) together and stated they did not know of any difference between the two, not realising that one had already been declared unlawful and was therefore fundamentally different from the other.

     

     

    Second, the commission ruled that other clubs could equally have used such schemes; that there was therefore no sporting advantage to Rangers; and so the commission do not consider sanctions ‘of a sporting nature’ such as reversing results.

     

     

    TIED UP IN KNOTS

     

    In our report we showed how Campbell Ogilvie, the then President of the Scottish Football Association, and the only person to give evidence in person on the tax avoidance schemes had originally set up one of the companies that was used to operate a tax avoidance scheme in favour of Craig Moore. That scheme was the same ‘Discounted Options Scheme’ that was later found to be unlawful in the case of two other players, although HMRC did not pursue the Craig Moore case. This evidence seemed to directly contradict Mr Ogilvie’s own claim to the inquiry that he had ‘nothing to do’ with the tax avoidance schemes used by the club. Mr Ogilvie has never responded to repeated requests for comment.

     

     

    The report also dealt with a second issue, that was the granting of a licence by the Scottish Football Association to Rangers to play European Football in the 2011/2012 season despite the fact that UEFA rules require clubs to be up to date with tax payments.

     

     

    The assumption of many has been that the club misled the SFA about the nature of the ‘Wee Tax Case’ in order to get their licence, not telling them about they had admitted liability for the bill (again, the SFA chose not to answer repeated requests for comment in advance of the publication of the report).

     

     

    However, in order to defend their position, the SFA appears to have inadvertently admitted that they in fact withheld evidence from the Nimmo Smith inquiry.

     

     

    Following the publication of the Offshore Game report earlier this year the SFA told David Conn  that the federation was well aware of the ‘Wee Tax Case’ and was in fact in possession of further documentation that showed that the club had been given time to pay by HMRC, which meant that the club would be allowed to play in Europe under UEFA rules (that explanation in itself is suspicious, given further evidence available to the report writers, but is not the subject of this article).

     

     

    The problem was that in the end, Rangers never did pay, and HMRC pursued the club for repayment through the courts, which was a significant cause of the club’s later bankruptcy proceedings which triggered the Nimmo Smith commission.

     

     

    This raises the question, if the SFA knew all about the “Wee Tax Case”, and in fact had even more documentation about it than anyone else has seen, why did they not alert the Nimmo Smith commission to this?

     

     

    Now, the SFA have been digging further. Writing to representatives of Celtic shareholders about the process of awarding Rangers a licence for European football in 2011-12, SFA chief operating officer Andrew McKinlay appears to have admitted that not only did the SFA know about the ‘Wee Tax Case’, but they had the 20 May 2011 letter from HMRC to Rangers in their possession before the Lord Nimmo Smith commission began its work. That is the same letter which described the club’s behaviour as fraudulent.

     

     

    The correspondence from the shareholders to the SFA included a copy of the May 20th letter and in his response to lawyers representing the shareholders Mr McKinlay  says:

     

     

    “Even if the information that your clients have brought to our attention was not before us in 2011, and we do not accept that, it is arguable that the process for that season has been completed and is closed on the basis of the information provided by the licensee club”

     

    The Offshore Game contacted the SFA repeatedly over the last week to seek specific clarification on this point. The SFA spokesperson repeatedly acknowledged the question, but has failed to provide any response.

     

     

    A FAILURE OF GOVERNANCE

     

    Today, Celtic will respond to shareholders at their AGM who believe the time has come to ask the UEFA, the European football authority to intervene in the licensing issue, but the matter of what to do about the failings of the original inquiry will be left unresolved.

     

     

    This points to one of the many governance failures of football. Who can hold the football authorities to account? If a football association cannot be trusted to ensure fair play over issues as fundamental as the awarding of league titles, and investigating allegations of foul play, fans may as well give up and watch the wrestling instead.

     

     

    With the parliamentary Culture, Media and Sport select committee now firmly focused on football governance, this could finally be the time for a long overdue, external intervention.”

     

     

     

  25. thomthethim for Oscar OK on

    The pink strip is a marketing no brainer, considering the amount of women who go to football now.

     

     

    Very few women and fewer men, look fashionable in hoops.

     

     

    Most men don’t bother about that, but the ladies are a different breed.

     

     

    Anyway, chaps, it is no harm to have a nodding acquaintance with your feminine side! : > )

  26. vfr800@girfuy.co.uk on

    Another massive thanks to Tobago St and CelticRollerCoaster who have donated their winnings to St Mary’s along with Phylis Detreichson.

     

     

    Brilliant gesture guys.

     

     

    KTF

  27. Surely the pink strip’s appearance last night was ‘karmic’ given the cowardice and duplicity demonstrated by the PLC, mé féiners on Wednesday at the AGM.

     

     

    I thought it summed up our Board very appropriately:)

     

     

    (Unless of course ‘silence is golden’ and they know where all of this is headed:)) )

  28. On seeing the team before heading out to watch on TV I knew what kind of game I was going to watch. Disjointed.

     

     

    Not helped by a surface players are not at ease on. I was quite relieved when the goal went in and thought we defended stoutly in the last 10m ins. James Forrest my Mom.

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