St Johnstone (through manager Steve Lomas) and Kilmarnock, through Rangers supporter (literal sense) Michael Johnston, have both declared their vote to allow a Newco to take Rangers place in the SPL next season. Celtic will vote against and Dundee United appear open to persuasion. The next most important team in the country is Motherwell.
Motherwell, alongside Celtic, Dundee United and St Johnstone have a place on the SPL board. They are migrating towards ownership and control by a large number of small supporter-shareholders, they’ve benefited from Rangers demise and in July will feature in the Champions League qualification draw, broadcast live from Monaco.
On the downside, despite their on-field success this season, the club will have to trim football budget for the coming season as Champions League qualifying money does not make up for earning less from cup runs this season and inflation pushing costs up.
Motherwell fans seemed to enjoy their visit to Ibrox on Saturday but does anyone expect them to vote against Rangers?
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I’m waiting for an educated take on this delay. Not sure what it means myself.
Of course RFCIA asked for it so it must suit them for some reason (the cynic might say it suits D&P and whoever they are ‘close’ to – did someone shout Whyte? Not me…..)
I don’t think this is quite the gloomy picture some on here think.
I’ll wait and see.
What is the last date a Newco would have to apply to the SPL? And when are the fixtures for next season out (not least because I want to be at the unfurling of the league flag….
ASonOfDan on 7 May, 2012 at 16:41 said:
SPL Press Release ~ General
Meeting outcome
Attendance
The Administrators of Rangers FC did not
attend today’s General Meeting in person
and instead submitted a proxy.
What an now they are infecting our games Administrators
Somebody needs to get a hold off them .. preferably with big industrial mitts on !!!!
Do you know what’s puzzling me ?
Why is our club silent on this ?
I know a lot of people are saying they are waiting for the right moment but Yorkston has now came out so why can’t we ?
RobertTressell on 7 May, 2012 at 16:42 said:
I’m waiting for an educated take on this delay. Not sure what it means myself.
Me too. All these knee-jerk tweets are the opposite of what we need.
Assuming Dunfermline get relegated this evening when exactly do they lose their SPL share.
The cynic in me supposes it’s around 29 May.
If the SPL wanted to expand the decision from the boards to the clubs why didn’t they ask to do that at their meeting last Monday rather than waste a week?
Truly this stinks. My ST renewal will not be completed by 18th May as the club want. I will not invest again until I know how Celtic will vote. We may not be able to influence the entire decision but at least PL should be making a statement on behalf of Celtic. It’s the least we deserve.
sad news about young James McCarthey and i hope he gets better. prays for the family
footballing wise, he wasnt going anyway – file under Stokes – pashed Trapp off a while ago so wasnt even in contention to be honest
trapp said a while ago his squad was picked and there was only room for 1 more – Young Mclean from sunderland was always the extra choice
Saint stivs,
cheers pal,will have a look at the ones you have suggested
Gerry Hamill @GerryH64
@MattMcGlone9 Its absurd to ask fans to make a financial committment when there is no clear indicator that sporting integrity will be upheld
hen1rik on 7 May, 2012 at 16:42 said:
Andy Coyle @STV_Andy
Doncaster says important to take time before a considered decision. Yorkston comes out of same meeting saying everyone wants quick decision
Yorkston will get his decision tonight at Easter Road
Probably see Doncaster on the steps of Hampden waving a piece of paper and talking of appeasement.
starry plough on 7 May, 2012 at 16:10 said:
”ernie lynch on 7 May, 2012 at 15:17 said:
A very poor effort Ernie, especially from someone who likes to debate on here and to be taken seriously.
To dismiss a fellow Tims question like that..
Dearie me.. ”
What are you talking about?
Some questions about NEWCO:
Where will they play?
Who will play for them?
Where will they get the £3M per month required to put a team on the pitch?
What happens to the ticketus deal?
What happens to HMRC (Paye/NI, Small case/Big case)?
How would the team that loses their place in the league to the NEWCO be compensated?
How are other creditors going to be paid off?
Bill miller has yet to complete due diligence, what will SPL do if he walks away?
What will be the reaction to the release of all the Nimmo-Smith paperwork?
What will be the consequences to NEWCO of the investigation into ‘dual contracts’?
When UK based former players of ranjurz are pursued for unpaid tax, who will they sue in consequence?
Will debenture owners just have to suck it up?
Who will pay for the maintenance/refurbishment of Bill Miller’s indoor golf arena?
If other clubs have used EBTs, on the ‘advice’ of MIH, how can they vote impartially?
Craig Whyte is currently being sued about the rightful ownership of his shareholding, surely that will have to be settled before the shareholding can be transferred?
Who will benefit from the litigation due for Oct 2012?
Why haven’t supporters groups expressed their desire to part-own NEWCO?
alex thomson @alextomo
Still left looking for leadership in Scottish football after SPL kicked it all into the long grass at end of month…
alex thomson @alextomo
Which looks post-relegation for for at least one club minded to vote against Rangers…
How tae Pass the Buck.. Room 101:
Foist… Deviate.
Second.. Equivocate.
Thoid… Procrastinate.
Last… Abdicate.
Right?
Damned . Right!
Kojo
Still, Laughin’
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 7 May, 2012 at 16:39 said:
Eh no sure whit ye mean oh Buddah Meister dis that mean ah’ve come back a wee bit oan the bright eyed side of the road, ah better stay oan this side then..
How much fur thon club then ah’ve goat a pound is that enuff likesy..
ton-che-dan on 7 May, 2012 at 16:20 said:
saint stivs
haha i got the tsddy safe and sound ha ha. thanks again. aye dunky was up with my mum and dad that game, hopefully i might be up for the hearts game. im changing my season tkt nxt season i want to try and get nearer the atmosphere
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What you on about? the whole stadium rocks now, where you moving to in CP Daniel? Tims are Laughing.
RobertTressell
Quite simply if they had voted on these new regulations today Bill Miller would have had to have moved pretty quickly to get it completed before the newly proposed changes were implemented and before the 13th May.
I think Paul Mc Conville can now take his article and replace 13th of May with 30th of May
Bill Miller would have told them that it can´t be done in that time scale.
Definitely doable within this time scale
Hail Hail
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Starry
mair than enough ….. how many clubs do you want ? ;-)
Hail Hail
Positive slant? Maybe the ‘assurances’ windy miller has been given are that the SPL/SFA will have no choic but to throw the book at Newco and Oldco when various tribunals and inquiries are out.
We are all paranoid but the fact is the world WILL take note if RFCIA are not banished for being possibly the most corrupt team in Europe for the last 20 years.
There are several genuinely big Italian clubs and a Swiss Club with a litigious chairman and a grudge against Scottish football, a Portugese giant who were done out of Euro progress and a pretty big northern english city that was ransacked on the back of a squad stuffed full of EBT happy players.
Just saying like….
new article posted.
gordybhoy64 on 7 May, 2012 at 16:45 said:
Saint stivs,
cheers pal,will have a look at the ones you have suggested
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when you going bud ?
I have stayed in loads of the hotels over the years, and the latest additions are excellent. so are the serviced apartment choices (if you dont need a hotel).
Gies a shout with what your homing in on, and will give you a heads up if i know the places.
hen1rik on 7 May, 2012 at 16:45 said:
Gerry Hamill @GerryH64
@MattMcGlone9 Its absurd to ask fans to make a financial committment when there is no clear indicator that sporting integrity will be upheld
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Matt may be correct, personally I’d want the Celts out of Scottish football, we could do a harlem globetrotters for a season until we find a proper football competition thats not corrupt.
If its not corrupt it certainly looks that way to the outside world looking in…..
Governance eh! I wonder who’s responsible for this….. now lets see…… its surely not the obvious,
SPL Articles say that Ross County will replace the relegated club sometime after the last league match, but whenever the board decides.
Article 15 says “the Board shall be entitled, at any time following the final League fixture in any Season, to require a Member to transfer its Share, at a price of £1, upon the Club owned and operated by that Member ceasing to be entitled to participate in the League as a result of its relegation from the League”
So it might be before May 30 or it might not – it’s up to the Board.
“Whit Ah wanna Know..is..
Who’s Gonna Bell the Cat?”… Asks Nutsy.
“Cat? There’s A Cat?”. Asks Luigi, Nervously.
“Never mind about the Cat.. I want to know
who wull Play the Part of Pontius!” muses.. Alyss.
Kojo
Still , Laughin’
Saving the banks with tax payers money only encouraged systemic financial malpractice…the obscene greed of the bonus culture went into overdrive with this flood of outside cash into the banking system…a reinforcement of past errors & behaviour patrerns that threatenedcto bring down the whole system…what do the Scottish football authorities think will happen if they bail-out the unrepentant & criminal huns?
Just like the banks awarding record bonuses with tax payers money- things will only get worse & more extreme than they were before…
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 7 May, 2012
RobertTressell
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Not sure the non-vote really makes a difference particularly since the transfer of SPL share remains with the SPL(board).
If Bill Miller wants it the SPL can place whatever sanctions they want on a take it or leave it basis.
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon on 7 May, 2012 at 16:56 said:
Thats very interesting – I didn’t realise that.
I wonder if Dunfermline were given assurances today that their share could be retained pending RFCIA outcomes?
Back in now, and no news yet ……… One or two Fholks still critical of Celtic on all this………it really does beggar belief….
If they are voted back in, we, the Celtic Family, will react ….and they will not know what hit them ……. We have been shafted for at least 20 years, and we have the evidence…….
Know what really makes me laugh……they think they are going to retain their assets, ipox etc ……. Think the creditors may have something to say about that……..and…are they actually going to get away with not producing audited accounts since June 2010 ?
god bless her majestys revenue & customs
and for fff sake hurry up !
ton-che-dan on 7 May, 2012 at 16:03:
Good to see you posting again. God Bless you all.
Summa of Sammi…. on 7 May, 2012 at 16:23 said:
Vhman’s looking for you, said you’ve not replied to his texts.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
The tale of Bigot F.C’s current ‘wee problems’. ‘Windmills Of Your Mind.’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcFTjWOdg8M&feature=youtube_gdata_player
if yorkston actually said no to newco then
hes just playing to the masses (if there are a masses of dunf fans)
he can say whatever he likes cos he wont have a say
hes like a lib dem before the coalition
wonder if the hun fighting fund will be wanting their money back
Apologies in advance for length of post…..
The Parable of the Chinese Market Seller (part one)
In the shadow of the Great Wall a humble Chinese boy traded in the market square of a small village. He worked the plot his father had left for him when he had fallen ill. The boy was uneducated but he was smart and hardworking and he toiled seven days a week to earn some yen to give to his family. The village attracted many tourists as it was situated under a very famous stretch of the Great Wall. The boy sold cans of cola and beer to foreigners who were thirsty after walking for miles along the wall. The boy was very popular with tourists because his father had taught him some interesting words in English and Spanish and this seemed to make the tourists laugh when he spoke to them.
The boy’s name was Yi and every morning he walked for over an hour from his parents to collect his products from his vendor. He collected 100 cans of cola and beer , strapped the box to his back and walked back to the market square and arranged his products to sell underneath the wall. By lunchtime he had always sold all of his drinks so he ran to the vendors to collect more. He gratefully received his commission from the vendor and walked to his parents house to give them his earnings from the morning.
In the afternoon when he had sold almost all of his his drinks, he would put the last few cans in his pack and walk the last mile of section of the wall above his village. He sang Chinese songs his father had sang to him as he approached the last tourists of the day. Yi always gave away the last five drinks from his pack. The walkers were tired and thirsty and accepted drinks from this small Chinese boy with a smile. No matter how much they offered Yi always refused payment because he remembered his fathers advice – ‘take no more than you need, everything else must be given away’.
Yi ran home each night with his empty pack, smiling and singing, happy to have made his money and to have met so many new people. At night the boy dreamed, vividly and in beautiful colours and always of the same thing; a gleaming bicycle. He hoped one day he would have a bike with a basket for his drinks to stop his back from aching. If he could buy a bike he could sell more drinks and maybe even one day he would afford a rickshaw.
Some of the market sellers did not like Yi. He was always running around trying to make tourists laugh, smiling and joking when others were working diligently. They considered him foolish because he passed all of his takings to his vendor and kept nothing for himself. They mocked him for selling his cola and beer at cheap prices to the nicest tourists while they always tried to get the highest value. The sellers called him gweilo because he and his family stayed outside of the village but mostly they just sneered at him at him from afar. However, one older boy, named Xian, detested Yi with every fibre of his being. He hated Yi’s popularity with tourists and the fact he was famous outside of the village for his songs and good humour. Xian wanted Yi gone from the square so he could be the best and richest of all the traders. As the years passed Xian tried all sorts of nasty tricks to make life difficult for Yi including stealing his drinks and threatening him. One day Xian got up very early and ran to see Yi’s vendor. Xian said: ‘Mr I will sell your drinks to tourists for more money than Yi for a small increase in commission. Both of us will become richer this way’. The vendor agreed and when Yi arrived later in the morning to collect his cans, they were gone. When the vendor explained why Yi was worried for his family and ran to the market square to inform the other traders of what Xian had done but they refused to help him and told him to go home. Yi said the traders must speak to Xian and ask him to behave fairly but even though they disagreed with Xian’s actions, they said it was not their business and they could not help.
Yi told his father what had happened that day and became very upset. His father smiled at his tears which made Yi angry but the older man approached his son and said to him:
“Yi, I am proud of you, I passed my life to you and you have worked well, with humour and humility. Life is difficult and this is a lesson for you. Tomorrow you must wake as normal and think of what else you can do to help this family”
Yi went to bed and reflected on his father’s words which had comforted him but he did not know what to do the next day. He considered his qualities, counted the little money he had saved and made his decision.
The following morning he went to the market and set out his stall as normal, without his drinks. Xian and the other sellers looked at him suspiciously. Yi was nervous but smiled and hoped his plan would allow him to earn some money. He ran to the stall belonging to an old Chinese man who sold artwork and photographs of the Great Wall. He asked him to take the prints from the wooden frame they sat on and offered him 20 yen for the piece of wood, which the puzzled old man agreed to.
Yi took the frame to the steps at the bottom of the wall just outside the market, placed his paper on top and waited. When he could see the first walkers of the morning approach he began to draw quickly, as best he could. He completed his drawing and offered them the portrait for a yen. They looked and laughed heartily at such a basic drawing and Yi joined in. The man gave him two yen, shook his hand and asked if he could take a picture with him. Yi felt happy he had some money to take home to his parents today and knew his father would be proud.
By lunchtime, news had reached the market square of Yi’s new business. Every tourist entered the square with a drawing and Xian could not contain his envy. The tourists were laughing and looking at their portraits. Their happiness infused the square with great energy and created an atmosphere. The other sellers profited from this but Xian could not contain his anger.
“This boy is younger then me, from a poor family from another village and still he is the most popular trader with tourists” he thought to himself.
In less than one month, Yi’s silly drawings and impish smile had made his family more money than cola and beer had in a whole year. He gave all of this to his parents and kept only enough to buy a bicycle. He grew to love his new work and cherished the chance to present travellers with a token of their experience on the Great Wall. He worked in the fresh air and laughed with many people. Soon Yi became famous and the marketplace benefitted as tourists arrived in high spirits.
Xian’s hatred for Yi increased every day and he became so obsessed with his success he did something drastic. He sold everything in his stall and purchased a rickshaw which he could not really afford. Each morning he cycled beyond Yi to meet walkers further up the wall. He tried to sell them cola and beer, photographs and portraits and offered to take them into the market for five yen. When they refused he would become aggressive and his behaviour made people avoid him even more. After one month no one had paid him for a single ride in his rickshaw.
Now Xian was very worried for his future while Yi continued to prosper. He had no money to sustain himself and so he asked other vendors if they would purchase his rickshaw for one yen so he could buy some rice. But no one wanted the rickshaw because they knew tourists associated it with Xian’s bad manners and spiteful outbursts.
After some time, Xian was becoming unable to survive but retained his hatred for Yi. He was so desperate he began to steal from other traders, sometimes food, sometimes prints he could resell or memorabilia of the Great Leader whom he loved and admired. Soon he amassed a large number of goods and was able to be an important trader in the market again. Some people knew what Xian had done but were afraid of his capacity for vengeance and dared not say anything.
One evening after everyone had left the market, Xian waited on Yi and behaved very badly towards him. He threatened him and burst the tyres on his bike. Yi explained he was not afraid of Xian even though he was older and told him he would continue to trade in the market. This made Xian hate the younger boy even more and he vowed to do everything to be more successful than him.
Yi spoke to his father that evening and informed him of his problems with Xian. His father told him he had acted honourably but that he must speak with the other market sellers. “Once they are aware of his misdeeds towards you they will ensure he is powerless to do any more damage.”
When Yi spoke with the other traders and told them about Xians behaviour some of them discussed their own experiences and the true extent of Xian’s theft and intimidation was revealed. The older traders met together at lunch to decide what to do and spoke to Yi later that afternoon;
“Yi, we know you are very popular and bring many happy tourists into the market square and we are grateful for that. However, Xian has been trading here for so long we could not eject him. Besides, we have to live in the same village as him and you do not. We must take care of our own interests and so Xian will continue to trade.”
Yi was confused and begged them to act with courage and face up to Xian but they refused. Yi said:
“You know about all of Xian’s actions and you have also been damaged by them. You know it will be difficult for me to work here alongside him every day. You have seen for yourself the shame he has brought on the market with his poor manners and aggressive personality. And yet, he is to remain?”
But Xian’s influence had spread so wide that even those he victimised could not imagine the market without him.
Yi spoke to his father that evening and became very angry:
“I have only ever wanted to enjoy my work and Xian and the others have taken that from me. The traders ignore his misdemeanours and refuse to take action but I will not stop because of him. I will fight him each day forever more.”
When he calmed down, he listened to the old man’s advice:
“Yi, you have taken everything Xian can do to you for a long time now, his ill will, stealing, envy and aggression. It is beginning to change your joyful spirit and I sense your bitterness. Yi, no one knows what the future holds but but you must protect yourself and the essence of your nature. This is more important than anything. You have soul, spirit, people warm to you. The other traders can only dream of this. Tomorrow, you must wake as normal, travel from village to village and find another market to work from. What becomes of Xian and the marketplace is none of your concern.
TJ
To all CQNers
The month of May is ALS awareness month here in the USA.
ALS stands for Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis and is the form of Motor Neurone Disease that claimed the lives of Jimmy Johnstone and John Cushley. In the USA it’s also known as Lou Gehrig’s Disease.
The cause is unknown and there is no known cure.
It affects mostly men, usually in their mid to late fifties and is a progressive, fatal, neurodegenerative disease with most affected patients dying of respiratory compromise and pneumonia after 2 to 3 years. Some victims die within 12 months while others survive for several years before succombing to it.
My son Tony has this disease. He is 33 years old, married to Amanda and the father of 2 little girls, Cora aged 4, and Louise aged 9 months.
Tony has his own blogsite http://www.dontshrink.com
He tries to live life to the fullest and is thankful for every day. His blog tells a little of his story.
Please help to raise awareness of ALS wherever you live and work, even if you don’t live in the USA.
Thanks to all of you.
HH
ANNAOAN,MWD,GOOGYBHOY
THANKS AGAIN
SAINT STIVS
im gonae try and get in section 110 or 112 hopefully