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I cannot fathom why someone would leak their intentions to quit as chairman of a football club.  Either Walter Smith is sufficiently alarmed by the conduct of his club to resign, or he should be busy working to resolve matters.  Leaking that he intends to resign will surely only add to the nonsense that surrounds the club.

Some will believe that Smith, who accepted the position as chairman of Rangers International when season tickets went on sale in May, can shuffle of the scene now 34,000 tickets have been sold.  Shareholder votes will determine the future of the club, in this instance, the identity of the chairman has little reach beyond parting fans with their cash.

Some investors may consider a more immediate problem is why the club are burning a hugely disproportionate amount of cash to secure promotion from the third tier of Scottish football, and why a management structure is not in place to deploy resources more effectively.

In light of Francisco Sandaza’s off-the-cuff comments to Tommy in Glasgow, and his subsequent dismissal by Rangers International, we urge Mr McCoist to be more cautious than he was after his team’s spirited, but ultimately fruitless, performance in Forfar on Saturday.  It would be unfortunate if McCoist transgressed a condition of employment and suffered accordingly.

Advertising Standards Authority ruling withdrawn

It doesn’t rain but it pours.  The Independent Review Process of the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has looked into the ASA’s recent, and widely reported, ruling on Rangers International’s claim on football titles won by a liquidated club. The Review found that “it was a procedural flaw for the ASA to have relied on an extract only of a report sent to it by the advertiser”.

Further, the review process ruled that “there was also the risk of a substantial flaw of adjudication in the distinction that had been made between ‘club’ and ‘company’, especially in the light of previous ASA decisions about companies that change hands and the circumstances in which the new company could or could not trade off the reputation of the old company”.

The Chairman of the ASA, Lord Smith of Finsbury, as decided to reopen the ASA’s investigation into the case and to withdraw the published adjudication, which favoured the advertiser.  Withdrawing this adjudication does not infer that a different outcome will subsequently be reached.  To use a football analogy, it’s half time and they’re all square.

An interesting, and potentially critical part of the story, is that after the initial ASA decision was issued, the club’s web site noted that their submission to the process included information that a “panel of the London Stock Exchange” supported their claim.

The Stock Exchange subsequently appeared surprised at this assertion, so much so that the club promptly withdrew the claim from the web article.

“You’re history, that’s what you are, na na na na”.
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  1. Neustadt-Braw on

    Hamish wis a good lad,Ballads of Booze ….excellent ..but he was always asked to sing this from my folk….and he was always happy to sing it…aye braw…

     

    ally bally ally bally bee

  3. Fortunes Favour Mibbes on

    Not that anyone needs my qualification, but there are a lot of brilliant contributors on CQN who shown their strengths in heated stuff like tonight.

     

     

    This is a heated subject for me purely because I see it like that – but some great objective contributions on the whole thing from fholks that would go un-noticed if you didn’t read back.!

     

     

    Just my opinion – but HH to them all. I think/ hope they know who they are.

     

     

    Very Important fholks for the future of Celtic.

  7. saphan kwai csc on

    Regarding the green brigade the lateral movement was just the excuse the board needed.There is no danger to the structure and fans are more likely to get injured when a last minute goal goes in say to qualify for CL last 16.The problem is not just one thing but I feel the board have had enough.There is more to the GB than bringing some colour and singing to Parkhead.I gave up my season ticket in 2008 so I don’t no what the atmosphere is like with the GB.Lets hope all involved can get this sorted out for the long term good of the club and the fans.

  8. weeminger on

    Fortunes Favour Mibbes

     

    00:33 on

     

    6 August, 2013

     

     

    I’ve really got to go, but thanks for the to-and-fro made me think about the ‘they’ and that was an important point.

     

     

    I’ll close with my general view on this. I know as well as the next man that the board will happily exploit the fan base until nothing more can be wrung out of them, and capitalising on the GB is a huge part of that. That’s why I don’t believe they’d be doing this if their hand wasn’t being forced.

     

     

    Put it this way, if some form of Rangers ever gets back into the top tier the one thing that keeps us financially ahead of them (if everybody plays fair) is our bigger fan base and attendance. Want to bring is into line with them? Find a way of bringing our attendance down to the same level.

     

     

    We as a support can and should unite behind the general principles of the GB, without boycotting the ground, because that’s what our detractors want.

  9. DJBEE on

    Cheers werminger

     

     

    Looks to me like it is Celtic are hiding behind SAG regs to close down the GB. That SAG have not actually done anything, cheers for the info-link.

  10. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    The Singing Detective Demands The Resignation Of Campbell Ogilvie

     

    00:40 on

     

    6 August, 2013

     

     

    Ye gods.

     

    Maybe Holland will be awarded the World Cup of `74.

     

    And England reinstated in the Mexico W.C. of `70.Bit late for Bobby M.

  13. Fortunes Favour Mibbes on

    weeminger @ 00:44

     

     

    HH Amigo, so my next question is how far do we allow the PLC to “sacrifice” what they call “elements” of our support?

     

     

    For me that’s the big issue here. Nothing else.

     

     

    Where on earth did anyone in Celtic’s history utilise or accept the criminilisation of our support?

     

     

    Yet, we are reading arguements here, and have done leading up to today, doing exactly that.

     

     

    Those doing so, should be disgusted with themselves.

  14. kikinthenakas on

    Just in case ye forgot

     

     

    Forfar 2 Spivco 1

     

     

    Huns in meltdown….Administration looking more likely by the day

     

     

    Meanwhile in SMSM and CQN, GB have been very naughty boys….

     

     

    Kikinthenakas

  15. 12th April 1897 on

    FFM

     

     

    Ha! Too much testosterone can do that to a bloke.

     

     

    Dreams of Elfsborg beckon.

     

     

    Hail! Hail! and goodnight and KTF

     

     

    1897

  19. The Singing Detective Demands The Resignation Of Campbell Ogilvie on

    Macjay 1 @ 12:44…

     

     

    Steady On…..

     

     

    West Germany Would Not Have Qualified For The 1970 World Cup….

     

     

    Scotland Would Have Taken Their Place…

     

     

    From The WC-Qualifying Group…

     

     

    And Defeated Brasil In A Memorable Final

     

     

    With Wee Jinky Earning The Golden Boot.

     

     

    And Tommy Gemmell Forgiven For Being Sent Off….

     

     

     

    After Kicking Helmut Haller On The B*m..

  20. Fortunes Favour Mibbes on

    12th April 1897

     

     

    Poor conclusion amigo.

     

     

    To try and dismiss my legitimate feckin points with that??

     

     

    Aye, try telling that to a young bhoy arrested in 111 and spending 6 months before he sees the case getting thrown out due to untrustworthy testimony from the 2 rozzers who lifted him.

     

     

    Aye, too much testosterone from me.

  22. weeminger on

    Fortunes Favour Mibbes

     

    00:49 on

     

    6 August, 2013

     

     

    Stop drawing me back in :)

     

     

    I’ve just deleted what as I was going to write. Too much 2nd hand information and it involved accusing folks(generally, no individuals) of criminal behaviour where I have no foundation to do so.

  23. Fortunes Favour Mibbes on

    I assume this the Celtic of the future.

     

    In 2017, everyone creaming themselves at the “Old Firm Game”.

     

     

    No one thinking about about the arrests and criminilisation of young Celtic Supporters in the lead up to that.

     

     

    The PLC just keep dipping their heads into charity “stuff”.

     

     

    Aye.

  24. Fortunes Favour Mibbes on

    weeminger @ 01:02

     

     

    I’ve no idea what you’re on about amigo !

     

     

    But I did before.

     

     

    Thanks for the answers. You talked a lot of objective sense, which is what is flaming missing.

     

     

    HH Amigo.

  35. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    The Singing Detective Demands The Resignation Of Campbell Ogilvie

     

    00:55 on

     

    6 August, 2013

     

     

    I hate to say this,but it seems you are better informed than me.

     

    Just this once.

     

    Mind you,I think Pele`s Brazil may just have given us a run for our money.

  36. A Stor Mo Chroi on

    Praecepta:

     

     

    I am no structural engineer but I’ve spent long enough in construction to know that stadiums are built with very generous safety factors incorporated into design. I can’t imagine Fergus McCann allowing Celtic’s agents allowing the designers and the constructors to deviate from the most stringent of design and construct criteria. I’m pretty sure from memory that Celtic Park was built to a very high standard above any local requirements. All those structural calculations, all those steel member profile determinations, all those concrete cube test results, all of it its retained on record and is used in litigation if required. A detailed HAZOP will have been conducted and will also be a matter of record. I’d think the engineers who designed the stadium will have done so with a very boisterous ‘old firm’ crowd in mind.

     

     

    I’d bet a whole lot of money on that being the case.

     

     

    I think you’ll find that the whole stadium doing the huddle would be of greater concern to structural engineers than a few hundred supporters indulging a wee bit of lateral movement. Why don’t Celtic take the season tickets off all those who insist in putting the stadium and their fellow supporters at risk by selfishly indulging the huddle? (not meant seriously)

     

     

    Do you think the stadium gets stressed every time the ref blows for full time and those in the crowd, a lot more than a few hundred, all laterally make their way to the exits?

     

    I would truly be concerned about the stadium and those in it if Celtic truly is concerned about the dangers of a few kids having a bit of fun.

     

     

    I think a non-Celtic supporting jobsworth is making mischief at the expense of Celtic’s twitching sphincter; hopefully the jobsworth is not that focused on Parkhead that he/she fails to identify and react to more immediate and serious problems elsewhere in the city.

  38. Neustadt-Braw on

    ah remember at ma best pals Stag …and wee Geoffrey got up on the table and sang Supertrooper….he had the words and everything …and I thought how good your life had to be ……Abba is the Queens St bar in Forfar (which shot to fame this weekend) fecks sake ………….will I ever stop grinning ….laughing ? falling over when I see things Blueish ….we live in wonderful times …oh yes we do ….

  41. Turkeybhoy on

    Were we not threatened once before with “Stadium closure”,for the heinous crime of flying a flag.Do not underestimate the power of hurting masons and orangemen.

     

    If our board had just once backed these kids when they were being persecuted for being young Celtic fans,just once,I would have a tad more sympathy with them.

     

    The arguments will continue,but the crass stupidity of releasing this news,on the day the huns went even deeper into despair is mind boggling.Can our PR department do anything right?.Staggering mistiming.

  42. Neustadt-Braw on

    no me but Dad wis there …this world is Braw! ….when they sang Kathleen….then that was chasing moonbeams ….goodnight Celtic land …..tomorrow we are who we are ….Braw

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