Not one of you will be surprised at reports this morning that Celtic escaped punishment for “sectarian chanting” when the club and its fans were not, and never have been, accused of sectarian behaviour. Last month one Irish title suggested Celtic fans stood accused of racism before amending their online content to read sectarianism and eventually paying enough attention to zone in on “offensive chanting”. If they’re going to make things up, I really would prefer they accused us of something a bit more original in Scottish football, like genocide. Ironically it would be less offensive.
Celtic have been open to all since its inception and are supported by groups right across Scottish society in increasing numbers. It’s the other lot, you know, them, who brought sectarian practices into the game. From Neil McCallum, our first goal scorer, to Gary Hooper, our last, Celtic have never had this peculiar social deficiency. Never.
The SPL decision not to act against Celtic, after a Strathclyde Police match commander complained, was assured, as Celtic could demonstrate they had previously taken action “all reasonably practicable steps” to prevent what the league called “chanting in support of the IRA”. Both Neil Lennon and Peter Lawwell have spoken in unequivocal terms on this subject in recent weeks.
The league goes on to say, “Such behaviour is unacceptable and unwelcome at SPL matches.” All the league have done here is pitched the ball back into Celtic’s court to prevent a reoccurrence. I don’t fancy that job.
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Sorry,
*logging off Gunsmoke starring James Arness as Matt Dillon*
TCM CSC
Ian Wright?
Job -give us a wave as you go past.
Let’s see how fast Dignity fc are in challenging the Aluko ban.
Dignity? My a**e
philvis
Brigadiere Grissini (thumbs up)
Babbity Bowser Brigade?
They’re doin’ a 21st Century remake of the ole Gunsmoke- Gun E-lite.
Needless to say Mariella F does not approve.
Bobby Charlton?
Vmhan – Supporting Lenny & the Green Brigada! says:
6 December, 2011 at 13:19
Well said.
Its not what we sing, its because WE sing.
p
Frank Haffey – surely one off the 9 was down to Frank
Brian O’Neil
“Celtic have been open to all since its inception and are supported by groups right across Scottish society in increasing numbers. It’s the other lot, you know, them, who brought sectarian practices into the game. From Neil McCallum, our first goal scorer, to Gary Hooper, our last, Celtic have never had this peculiar social deficiency. Never.”
Great stuff Paul. Think the the club should just use your text as the mission statement!
Lou Macari
paulie671 says:
6 December, 2011 at 13:39
The celebration from the Maestro in that match summed up what Celtic means to him. Love watching that over and over again as he runs to the jungle with sheer joy on his face.
LB
Wee Mariella and her Frostrups
Paulie671,
Thanks for that link, I was right behind the goal that day, I remember the celebrations well
HH
jungle1967 says:
6 December, 2011 at 13:42
Players who have played for Celtic who have scored at Wembley – old and new
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Tony Mowbray for Ipswich in play off final
Celtic players who scored at Wembley.
Lee Naylor
Michael Gray
Robbie Keane
Roy Keane
Dion Dublin
Ian Wright
LB
jungle1967 says:
6 December, 2011 at 13:42
Players who have played for Celtic who have scored at Wembley – old and new
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Kenny Miller for Wolves
Canalamar – you talked about your house, in fact it’s our house. And the custodians of our house have asked us to not sing certain songs in that house. Those who continue to sing the songs that they have been asked not to “in the house” – because they may breach certain articles in SPL rules or indeed in national law – are being scrutinised by the authorities (not the club).
The board have played this the only way they can do for the good of the club. They have distanced themselves from the singers of the songs that might cause the club fines or sanctions down the line. They are doing it for the good of the club, not the wishes of a (vocal) minority. The Green Brigade have shown they can come up with new songs (Just can’t get enough), resurrect old songs (Na-na-na-nah/ Banarama), or amend previous songs (Ooh ah), so there is no suggestion banning their singing. There’s also plently of Irish songs to be sung where there can’t be any offence caused – Soldiers Song, Fields of Athenry, the Irish “This land is your land” and so on.
I know there are those who see singing these songs at Celtic Park as a massive GIRUY to Huns and Brits alike, sorry, I mean “the only was to preserve our heritage”, well we have seen more divisiveness from the Song Debate than almost anything on this site – the club are simply trying to unite us behind the team not divide.
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Moonbeams: SPL rules
H7.4.3 Disorderly conduct includes (i) conduct which stirs up or sustains or is likely or designed to stir up or sustain, hatred or ill will against or towards a group of persons based on their membership or presumed membership of a group defined by reference to a category mentioned in Rule H7.4.5 or against an individual who is or is presumed to be a member of such group; (ii) using threatening, abusive or insulting words or conduct; or (iii) displaying any writing or other thing which is threatening, abusive or insulting.
H7.4.5 The categories referred to in Rule 7.4.3 are:-
(ii) colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin;
I assume their argument is that “Nationality” could include British.
Steve Guppy scored at Wembley.
LB
Players who have played for Celtic who have scored at Wembley – old and new
Daniel Majstorovic
jimmci – has aluko been banned then? I think rangers might leave this one alone, if they challenge, isn’t there a chance of delaying the suspension until the Celtic game?
Canamalar – no not that statement. Celtic Plc submitted written evidence to the Justice Committee as part of the evidence gathering. This written statement available on the Scot Gov website is unequivocal in its objection to the legislation for a number of reasons, while also making it clear “Sectarianism” is a problem.
As I stated, I 100% agree with you on the treatment of fans in the stadium.
Auldheid’s Gotcha article, which some of you may have read suggests and idea around the whole of the Celtic support buying into an idea.
The Celtic fans decide the song list, what we regard as acceptable and what we regard as could be construed (albeit by bigots) as offensive. We’ll publish the list of songs which are approved BY THE SUPPORT, not the board, not the police, not the ScotGov and not the huns.
With the published list of songs we will sing, we provide the reasons why (they’re not racist, sectarianetc they are nationalist, etc) and also state that any arrest harrassment of a Celtic fan for singing any of these songs, will be robustly challenged BY ALL SUPPORTERS. We will defend our right to sing these songs.
We the support need to drive this – Canamalar is 100% correct in respect of not relying on the plc board to fight this battle, however rather than moan about it, action is required.
This would need majority support from all season tickets holders, and buy-in from supporters groups especially the GB who lead the singing at CP and drive a positive agenda. This could potentially help resolve the issues with harrassment of GB members by the SS eh strathclyde police. And for me let us all know what we will and won’t sing – there may be results which some people don’t like, but it would require acceptance of these for it to work.
hh
bjmac
dont know if anyone has seen this?
Dunfermline chairman John Yorkston urges the Scottish Football Association to be lenient on Rangers forward Sone Aluko when they assess whether to punish the player for appearing to dive to win a penalty in Saturday’s match against the Fifers.
why would he say that?
this is what we are up against – if rangers were to go to the wall and try and get voted back in as new rangers this prick would certainly vote for them
the evil genius was right about that sh*tty club
PAUL67
Outstanding critique of the reports in various rags about this.
As I have asked you before,are you starting to get angry now? Your last reply was affirmative,so I assume you are coming more and more on the the view that we are getting it tight,for every reason,AND NONE!
The authorities have never needed to defend their stance in persecuting a minority unless right-minded people take a stance.
THIS ATTACK ON THE REPUTATION OF OUR FANS AND OF OUR CLUB,AND LET US NOT FORGET, ALSO THE CRIMINAL RECORDS OF INDIVIDUALS,MUST BE RESISTED ON ALL AVAILABLE FRONTS.
HAS TO BE
Celtic_First
Chris Killen
Massimo Donati
WembleyWizardsCSC
Lee Martin – 1990 FA cup final against Crystal palace
I dont know the answer but apparently there is over 20. A mate texted me the question. Possibly Bellamy Juninho Mjallby Scott MacDonald
Viva La Verde Brigada!!
As someone (nearly) once sang…
jockcfc says:
6 December, 2011 at 13:09
singing IRA songs is not sectarian or illegal, but not good for the image of our club. if we had to play in the epl and we continualy sang IRA songs we would get kicked out. i think they would be LESS tolarant to it than they are here. so i think if we ever want to better ourselfs by getting into a better league we need to stop. we have many great irish songs we can still sing including the soldiers song.
i think we only have to trim two or three from our song sheet. botob, roll of honuor and the ‘oh ah’ chants..
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Ah,FFS,when will some of you on here realise that no matter how much we sanitise things,THEY will still find fault?
It’s not our songs they find offensive,it’s our VERY EXISTENCE!
Appeasement is bad enough,some people on here are crossing that line to collaboration.
WAKEN UP!
BMCUW
What songs would you deem to be of the ‘unacceptable’ variety?
Big party happening in Lancaster presumably as the train all but emptied. Can’t do a long train journey without my customary power nap so try to keep the noise down for the next half hour or so. Thank you.
Jobozzzzz…
Gene’s a Bhoys name says:
6 December, 2011 at 14:11
Lee Martin – 1990 FA cup final against Crystal palace
brilliant in paint your wagon as well :-)
Big Nan says:
6 December, 2011 at 08:28
Was scrolling back when I found your post. Thank you for posting James McMillan’s factual blog. That’s the type of report which should be circulated far and wide by us all. That’s the type of news the Scottish press don’t want us to know about. Living in the north of Ireland I am extremely unlikely to find reports of this calibre in the media. Post it again. The truth will out!
Hail hail
scotlandandnornironaretwogreatweecountries CSC
jocky bhoy,
your too eager to give away our rights to free speech, when I said my house I meant my house as I had no intention of being compared with the board.
A lot of “may” and “might” in your post, too many for my likeing, we might upset someone in he future, is no way to protect todays support.
Bjmac,
Your right I have not read the boards submission I took my opinion from their initial pubic response as I said.
I agree with auldheids idea, but, as you say there may be a few upset at the outcome, how do you think those upset/board would respond if a few “offensive songs” were included, do you think they would accept it in the same manner they expect the supporters of these songs to react, mute compliance, or do you think like me, that they would ignore it and bulldoze their will on the support.
agreement and compliance is only workable if both sides accept it. I dont believe the board woill accept anything they dont like.
jockcfc says:
6 December, 2011 at 13:09
‘i think we only have to trim two or three from our song sheet. BOTOB, roll of honuor and the ‘oh ah’ chants..’
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Completely disagree, BOTOB cannot be reasonably challenged,
it is no different in context to songs such as Flower of Scotland.
This has been highlighted many, many times,
why do you attempt to raise this debate again?
Jimmci , SonsofErin ,
I believe Vincent Lunny has reviewed the footage and ‘offered’ Aluko a 2 match suspension. Rangers have 24 hrs to accept it or it goes to a panel made of 3 from a pre-selected list of 100 approved approvers (former manager , player and referee). That panel will sit on thursday if needed.
If nothing else , this fast-tracking process might be seen to be a good idea – heaven forfend it should catch on.
Sanna
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