Really delighted at the flow of sentiment towards Billy McNeill and the launch of the new frontage of Celtic Park tomorrow. The place is beginning to look like a 21st Century venue, now we need the shops, restaurants and bars to bring the match-day experience alive.
Were you one of the fans who put £620 (or more) into Celtic shares in 1994? Around 10,000 did, raising an initial total of around £10m from small investors alone. It wasn’t an investment, none of us wanted or expected the money back, it was our contribution to Celtic at a time of critical need.
Many small investor-Rangers fans did the same when Newco went to market in December 2012, although one high-profile investor, who coughed up £500k, has asked Dave King to buy him out.
The stark reality facing these shareholders is that if King’s path is followed to a logical conclusion the club will be run into the ground, destroying their investments along with everything else. I have some sympathy for their position.
King is not interested in buying control of the club, even at the discounted price shares are now available at. He emailed the £500k investor “Why should any new investor bail out existing investors because they made mistakes in overpaying for their shares. The club needs money not complaining shareholders”.
The price paid by small investors was perhaps the most irrelevant figure to them, they paid the gross figure they could afford, irrespective of price. The value of the share was irrelevant so to accuse them of making a mistake by overpaying is like criticising the month of March for being too purple.
How the small shareholders feel about this behaviour will not determine what actions the Newco board takes, that will be come down to how easily manipulated people like the Easdales, Mike Ashley and Laxey Partners are. My information is they are not easily manipulated in the slightest.
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My thoughts on James Forrest
I don’t believe that anyone has offered or will offer anything like £7m
I do believe that there is a black arts war being wages on us and the Hun thinks this kind of back page annoys us
I also think that were anyone to offer that kind of money for him I would personally offer to drive him south.
And I don’t drive.
squire danaher
15:20 on
2 May, 2014
My thoughts on James Forrest
I don’t believe that anyone has offered or will offer anything like £7m
I do believe that there is a black arts war being wages on us and the Hun thinks this kind of back page annoys us
I also think that were anyone to offer that kind of money for him I would personally offer to drive him south.
And I don’t drive.
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LOL.
I have to agree with this sentiment. Jamesy is a poor man’s McGeady (who himself was infuriatingly inconsistent).
Lets hope that another premier league club sees £6million or £7million as loose change…
A wee story from Wednesday evening. I was feeling down as I knew that Some of the north east CQN lads were having a small babycham etc in Aberdeen toon. Try as a might I couldn’t get a reasonably price room that night anywhere around the city. I got a B&B in Peterhead ( not one of my fav toons), anyhow went on a wee pub crawl, tried a few, nothing special. Until a found this bar called Baileys. Went in ” lager please”, sat at the bar listening to the locals discussing D McInnes getting manager of the year, must be a dons pub I thought until the lassie behind the bar says “whit dae you think aboot im getting top billing”. Eh not for me, I said “Who then” Lennon I said, thinking your in a NE pub putting down a NE manager not very clever. Here here said the customers, the wee man deserved to be manager of the year. Turns out Baileys is a Tim shop.
They told me this story…when Celtic played Peterhead in the Scottish cup a year ago, Neil & Gary Parker popped in for a drink. Soft drink (Neil) Guinness (Gary) both chatted to the locals while signing autographs for over an hour, the perfect guests. As they were about to leave, someone asked…why come into the toon furra a drink, when you could hiv stayed in the hotel wae the players. Neil replied…because of the league we are in we don’t get to see these parts of Scotland! Winked and left. The place was in a up roar when the penny dropped.
So if you find yourself in Peterhead, pop in to Baileys, nice folk.
The Battered Bunnet. Janko will be on big money in Turkey and would be likely to be above Celtics wage structure and is not a prolific scorer.I think he would be a huge risk for us and we would be better playing our youngsters Balde or the fridge or Watt . He also doesnt fit into Celtics recent signing profile as he is 30 and unlikely to increase in value for me I would give him a body swerve.H.H.
Seemingly, Robbie Keane and Morrissey have discovered they are related.
Franky,MrShankly,IDidNotKnowThat.csc
A rush and a push and the land is ours
Great to see Willie Wallace posting this morning. We hope to have both Tommy Gemmell and Bertie Auld on CQN this month to answer your questions.
CQN Magazine out this evening – we never got it completed last night so running a little late.
CQN Update (the magazine’s printed wee sister) has arrived and is out tomorrow at the game.
TBB- Touche’,Janko looks injury prone given those stats.
frantic07
15:26 on 2 May, 2014
Great wee story
setting free the bears supports Res. 12 & Oscar Knox
14:38 on 2 May, 2014
Nat Know-
3rd best or 1st equal. That depends on the transfer fees they attract. Big Vic went for £12m, Aiden for £10m and Gary Hooper for somewhere between £5m and £6m.
I believe Redknapp would outbid the purported £7m for JF and, if James has a good season, I believe his price will go up even further. It’s just guess work but I’d say his transfer fee, when he goes will be higher than FF’s and close to VVD’s.
As TBB commented, his type of injury has a fair prognosis and we should not need to expect, fingers crossed, another poorish injury season.
As for comparing different positions. They all have football transfer evaluations. Goalies do not seem to attract transfer fees in keeping with their worth so we will be luck to see much above £6m for Fraser Forster, IMO. At that price he is hardly worth selling for the money but, then again, try and keep an unhappy player and see where you end up.
So far from comparing bananas with spanners, we are just comparing good players who play different positions; in fetching transfer fees, they have more in common than they have which separates them.
Goalies are not the only fruit.
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OK. So when you say “James Forrest is the best player we have on our books, outwith Forster & Van Dijk” – what you mean is that James has the potential to be sold for a significant amount?
kitalba
I agree with that and don’t feel I was saying anything different.
The monetary value is what people are prepared to pay. The value to Celtic may be something different. For example, we don’t have a great record in sourcing adequate keepers till recently. In most of my supporting life, the Celtic goalie would not have been rated in the Top 3 in his position in the top Scottish division. I hope that, if or when FF goes, we can get someone nearly as good. I’d be surprised if we were able to get someone better than either Artur or Fraser. I’d be surprised if we got anyone as good as David Marshall.
Many people were saying the same thing, that is being said of James Forrest, about Aiden a few years back; “punt him for £3m and I’ll drive him to the airport myself” was not uncommon on CQN. One prominent poster even suggested a straight swap for Liam Lawrence.
Now, I knew that Aiden, if sold, would fetch more. Whether he was worth £10m to the Moscow team is a moot point as he was sold for less. The same is true of Petrov and Wanyama, who did not or have yet to prove their weight in value for the clubs that bought them.
Now, it is in our interests that any player we sell for good-ish money is reasonably successful, otherwise we suffer from the Boumsong syndrome whereby a player can look very good in the SPFL and less than stellar in a more demanding league.
The one time I criticised our club for failing to get value was in the sale of Artur to Fiorentina, where he replaced a French international keeper and recovered his mojo. Wee Shaun was also sold relatively cheaply but his injury record did merit a cut price deal.
I like James Forrest.
I don’t believe anyone will offer Celtic £7m for him at the moment though.
Winning Captains
Received my copy of Yogi Bare,that’s my read covered for a weeks hol’s in Sorrento, cheers.
As for James Forrest I would keep and try and get Snodgrass in.
Hail Hail.
SFTB
If you do not think that S Petrov was value to AV at the reported £8.5m (??)t hey paid, what more in your opinion would he require to have done for them to have represented value for money??
setting free the bears supports Res. 12 & Oscar Knox
12:53 on
2 May, 2014
James Forrest is the best player we have on our books, outwith Forster & Van Dijk.
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Has someone been on the wine gums?,,,
We have a number of better players than James;
VVD
Forster
Matthews (a better right winger than JK in my opinion)
Scott Brown
Kris Commons
Giorgios Samaras
Emilio Izzaguire
Just my tuppence worth
Nat Know
“OK. So when you say “James Forrest is the best player we have on our books, outwith Forster & Van Dijk” – what you mean is that James has the potential to be sold for a significant amount?”
Yes.
And that he is one of our better players. He unlocks defences, and that is a great asset. He looks for the ball and does not hide. He has greatly reduced his arm-throwing up behaviour but, like Scott Brown’s discipline record, few people have noticed.
I’m off oot to finish Cuprinol-ing my fence a nice shade of green.
Dexter
Matthews is a cracking player but he is no winger.
He also has the physio on the pitch treating him more than anyone else in the team.
LB
PFayr – Happy Birthday my friend, i was 54 on Wednesday:)I was killing myself laughing when you posted about doing the “conga” when sevco go paps north; the idea of you and conga is just hilarious.
To all those i’ve met have a great Friday. Renewed our season tickets for the Toronto club today; most of the time they are used by others but hey ho it’s great to be a Tim:)
slainte
tony
SFTB
Ahhhhh but now you’ve added caveats :-)
My post saying that, in my opinion, Sammi is a better player than James was in response to you claiming that JF, along with two others, was our best player. I don’t agree with that.
Sammi has performed in Europe at a level that James hasn’t come close to.
Yes, I know that he’s much younger and that he may turn out to be a fantastic player for us.
My point was re current ability and I don’t think JF comes close to Sammi.
Ps I’ve already said, I think he’s a fantastic wee player but my understanding is that his injuries will continue to plague him.
For that reason I’d sell IF a decent offer came in for him.
Afternoon all. Been having a problem with the ole broadband.
Was listening to a kind of phone in on Radio Scotland this morning. It was concerned with Alex Salmond. He does hold some interesting views on the oddest of people. How anybody could trust him, if he really does hold those views is way beyond me. Having said that, the bulk of the contributors to the phone in were volubly doing precisely that.
LiviBhoy – God bless wee Oscar
15:48 on
2 May, 2014
Dexter
Matthews is a cracking player but he is no winger.
He also has the physio on the pitch treating him more than anyone else in the team.
LB
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AM may be down more- the best players are always targeted… ;)
squire d
A lot of Villa fans were expecting better than what they saw. I don’t feel that Stan was anywhere near as good with Villa as he was with us. Villa sourced a player from Crewe, Ashley Westwood, who is fulfilling Stan’s role nicely. Stan is a lovely fella but he is more of a Celtic legend than a Villa one.
Dexter
Wine gums are better than soor plums. (and certainly better than sore plums)
Isn’t it great that our much maligned manager has managed to source such a good group of players that you can afford to leave James Forrest out of your list (and Lustig)
Have to go now while it’s light and no rain.
setting free the bears supports Res. 12 & Oscar Knox
15:51
Dexter
Wine gums are better than soor plums. (and certainly better than sore plums)
Isn’t it great that our much maligned manager has managed to source such a good group of players that you can afford to leave James Forrest out of your list (and Lustig)
Have to go now while it’s light and no rain.
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OK- I’ll maybe give you Lustig too. But I put JF in the “next best” category-
JF
Stokes
Efe
I haven’t yet categorised Johansen! Too early- but he may be immediately promoted to the top division!!!
The Battered Bunnet
15:10 on
2 May, 2014
Marc Janko, a 6’5″ striker, has played 48 league matches in 3 years, scoring 16 goals, 10 of which in the 1st half of season 2011/12 for Twente.
He has scored 6 league goals in his last 32 league games since January 2012, 2 and a half years ago. (That’s one goal every 5 MONTHS).
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Chris Sutton scored ONE goal in 28 appearances for Chelsea.
We paid £6m for him.
*Sometimes* you have to take circumstances into account more than the bottom line.
Maybe, just maybe, Janko is worth a look.
HT,
I haven’t read back beyond your latest comments regarding Sammi and James Forrest. I agree with you in the main, although I would hold on to him, because I reckon if anyone offers proper money for him, they must be of the opinion that he will get over his injuries. I would gamble with him for a bit longer (although I believe he suffers from sciatica and I don’t think you do get over that). I would, of course, keep the wonderful Sammi, if only for his performances in Europe, where he is one priceless asset to us.
Neil Lennon likes Wee James because
Twice when Neil lennon was on the brink of having to look for a new gig.
Young James stood up and was counted whilst some more experienced
players were posted missing.
Easter road in League cup game mid week 1-0 down at half time when he came on
and turned the tie with a goal and great 2nd half performance we won 4-1.
I think this was just before.
Kilmarnock when him Stokesy and Charlie Mulgrew got stuck in when others
had thrown in the towel.
Zombies could have been on the way to 4 in a row that day.
Livibhoy,
Adam M has been on the wrong end of some meaty challenges.
It’s a no from me for Janko, his time has come and gone, would just be another waste of wages,picking up big bucks for absolutely no return, he will be looking for offers from any club daft enough to sign him.
geordie munro
16:00 on 2 May, 2014
Livibhoy,
Adam M has been on the wrong end of some meaty challenges.
Lasley!!
Sftb,
Stan had a rough start at villa.
Many of their fans preferred maloney but I’m sure it was a value thing.
Imo he’s as big a legend down there as he was with us.
Raspberry.
I forgot about that one ;)
Frantic07
Liked that wee story.
Says so much about NFL, GP and the people in Baileys, Peterhead.
Great punchline.
HH
Parkheadcumsalford
Yep my understanding is that it’s sciatica and consequently it will continue to be a problem.
At the end of last season when many I know were calling for him to be sold I went against the grain because I think the boy has genuine ability. He creates goals and scores them too. Those players are usually worth keeping a hold of.
That’s so long as they’re fit enough to do so.
eddiegreenhillsbhoy, Delighted with the news, a positive attitude is hugely important. Let there be no doubt in either of yere minds. Your wife is going to get through this and be restored to full health. Keep us posted and we won’t forget ye. KTF.
p.s. corkcelt says “Don’t sell Wee James.”
traditionalist88
Ignoring the obvious about comparative talent, Sutton came to Celtic aged 27, 2 years before his peak.
Janko is 30, and appears to be (on all available evidence) 2 years beyond his peak.
While I absolutely accept that we need to go look, get curious, we also need to ground ourselves in a little reality.
Janko is not a Celtic prospect.
Ht
You seem to have a lot of time on your hands nowadays. You’re posting more often than any other ten posters combined!
Mind you that will change in due course:o)
http://www.dontshrink.com
Any jokes guys then please click on Tony’s blog (above) and put them in the comments page under the latest article.
Bognorbhoy set us rolling with one that nearly had Mrs RWE crashing her car when I read it out to her last night.
Really appreciate just dropping and saying hi to Tony.
He tells me that the way CQN is a constant scroll down and new page set-up, it gets very tiring for his eyes constantly doing that, so forgive him if he doesn’t acknowledge much. He reads it all and laughs a lot.
He gets very tired as the day progresses, and his eyes are so knackered he gets a headache.
On his blog, when you select comments, you’ll have a box to type your message, and “comment as” below that. From the drop down menu select “anonymous” and then publish. You’ll have a wee Prove you’re not a Robot word typing and then your comment is on. Leave your blog name at the end of your comment if you want.
Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to drop in on him.
http://www.dontshrink.com
HH
MAD:
You coming tonight?
I’m heading in now, meeting OldTim for a beer first.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
eddiegreenhillsbhoy
Say hi to your missus from North Carolina.
HH