The cycle of sacking managers


We spoke about Stale Solbakken here as an option during one of our recent management vacancies.  At the time he was manager of Copenhagen, who were playing monopoly with the Danish game and had become the first regular Champions League competitor from that country.  Yesterday he was sacked as manager of Wolves, who are 18th in the second tier of English football.

Mick McCarthy led Wolves to promotion into the FA Premier League in 2009 but was sacked in February after slipping into a relegation place.  The club were relegated and Solbakken was appointed in July.  Solbakken, still only 44, won five leagues in six seasons at Copenhagen and competed well with a tiny budget in the Champions League.  He is a good manager but his failure at Wolves presents more evidence that the fabled guru football manager doesn’t exist.

Managers are cogs in a management system which involves players, scouts, technical experts, coaches, youth development staff and administrators.  If a club gets all the other components right, as Copenhagen unquestionably did, the guy with ultimate control over team matters will appear to over-perform.   Conversely, if you have a genuinely talented manager but he doesn’t work with a crucial part of the football structure, progress will stall.  Martin O’Neill taught us more about football tactics in his first season than we had learned in the previous 20 years, but he was not known to sign players he hadn’t identified when playing against his teams.

Wolves chance of recruiting a manager as good as Mick McCarthy is slight.  They could do worse than look at how Celtic stemmed the flow of failure by taking a guy who was already working with the scouts, coaches, technical experts, youth development staff and administrators.  Don’t look for a guru, get the system right and find someone who will work within it.

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  1. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    How to destroy a well earned reputation



    Posted by Phil Mac Giolla Bhain Three leading members of the Green Brigade will meet with Peter Lawwell early next week.



    I understand that Ronnie Hawthorne delivered the “summons” and the trouble at Dens Park will be on the agenda.



    It is the belief of people at Celtic Park that some of the Green Brigade’s younger members were among the main troublemakers at Dundee.




    …. The title of the article was not meant to be ironic btw




  2. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on




    22:55 on 6 January, 2013



    ” We need to calm doon ” ……. ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON ……

  3. FoCUS is a national unit which specialises in the policing of football in Scotland. The team is a mix of police officers and police staff from around Scotland and has a range of experience including community policing, football intelligence, Criminal Investigation Department, public order and football banning orders.





    Why is there a Football Coordination Unit for Scotland?



    FoCUS was formally established in July 2011 and is based at Helen Street Police Office, Glasgow. The team was established following publication of the Scottish Government Joint Action Group report which made 41 recommendations, all intended to maximise supporters’ enjoyment of the game whilst tackling those who misbehave.





    The Joint Action Group which comprises Football Authorities, Celtic FC, Rangers FC, Police and Scottish Government, identified a need to work in partnership to tackle the minority who behave in an unacceptable way at football. In doing so, the partners seek to bring positive benefits to Scottish football and society through addressing the issues of alcohol misuse, violence and bigotry within the context of football.






    Role of FoCUS



    The Joint Action Group proposed that:





    ‘A National Football Policing Unit is established, enabling the Scottish Police Service to deliver a consistent approach when policing football in Scotland, co-ordinating football intelligence, enforcing football-related legislation and supporting post-match investigations. This Unit should incorporate the existing ACPOS Football Banning Order Authority to expand the co-ordination, management and application of Football Banning Orders. This Unit should also support the expansion of Anti-Sectarian and Unacceptable Behaviour Initiatives across Scotland at all identified high risk matches and should be in place for the start of the 2011/12 season.’





    FoCUS duties are based on the following core tasks:




    •Coordinate the management and enforcement of football banning orders


    •Provide guidance and support in relation to summary applications for football banning orders


    •Deploy trained police officers, equipped with video and audio recording facilities, in support of local policing operations


    •Deploy in and around stadia using video and audio equipment to record any acts of hate crime or unacceptable or offensive behaviour or material


    •Support post match investigations into football related violence and disorder


    •Support investigations into football related hate crime on the internet


    •Proactively research the internet to identify offences and offenders


    •Monitor the submissions of all match related reports


    •Manage football intelligence and coordinate the football intelligence officer network nationally


    •Act as single point of contact with the UK Football Policing Unit


    •Work in partnership with the Football Authorities including SFA, football leagues and Football Safety Officers’ Association Scotland


    •Promote good practice and develop and deliver training in relation to policing football


    •Produce regular Scottish football disorder assessments to assist events planning





    How does FoCUS operate?



    Match day deployments: Although FoCUS is a small team, we use specially trained officers to supplement our numbers and on match day we can deploy officers to several matches across the country. We also deploy to matches in other parts of the United Kingdom and abroad if required.





    FoCUS deploys officers both within the stadium and in the surrounding area, depending upon the Police Commander’s instructions. The team will monitor crowd behaviour, making arrests if necessary, and will take video footage where appropriate using either hand held cameras or bodyworn video badges.





    At all times FoCUS officers remain under the command of the local Police Commander.




    •Post-match and internet-based investigations: FoCUS undertakes post-match enquiries to retrospectively identify and arrest match day offenders. The team also coordinates enquiries into football-related online offending.


    •Partnerships: Partnerships with other organisations are central to the role of FoCUS. The main partners are listed below.


    •Football Authorities: FoCUS meets regularly with representatives of the Football Authorities to discuss matters of common interest.


    •Clubs: FoCUS maintains close working relationships with football clubs. For example, FoCUS officers have provided briefings to players at a number of clubs on internet security and social media.


    •Football supporters: A number of supporter information sessions have been organised by FoCUS. These have discussed issues such as changes to legislation, policing at football and online hate crime. Individual supporters or supporter organisations are welcome to contact FoCUS to organise an information session.


    •Scottish Police Service: FoCUS is available as a resource for local Police Commanders and can provide assistance before, during and after fixtures according to local needs. FoCUS also provides links with Football Intelligence Officers across the country.


    •Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service (COPFS): In Scotland there are three Football Liaison Prosecutors, one for each of the three COPFS Federation areas. A good working relationship with prosecutors is central to FoCUS enquiries. A joint approach is taken to football-related enquiries with early involvement of the Procurator Fiscal ensuring cases are completed to the highest standards, effective bail conditions are sought and Football Banning Orders are requested where appropriate.


    •Scottish Government: As the lead body of the Joint Action Group, the Scottish Government had a key role in the creation of FoCUS. There is regular communication between FoCUS and the Scottish Government on matters of common interest.






    Football Banning Orders (FBOs)





    When did FBOs come into force?



    Football Banning Orders (FBOs) are part of Police, Public Order and Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2006 and came into force on 1 September 2006. The legislation is designed to impact on all football related violence and disorder and will ensure those who have been involved in football related disorder are prevented from participating in such activities in the future.





    Why do we have FBOs in Scotland?



    A small minority of fans continue to use football as a vehicle for violence and antisocial behaviour. Sectarian and bigoted abuse unfortunately also remains evident in Scottish football grounds. These issues stain the reputation of our game at home and abroad.





    FBOs are not a suitable disposal for everyone who commits a football related offence. Instead FBOs target those who display the most extreme behaviour – sending a message to others that such conduct will not be tolerated. FBOs are intended to remove the worst offenders from the Scottish Football environment.





    What football matches can you be excluded from?




    Anyone indulging in abusive behaviour could be banned from every football ground in the UK and any game involving the national teams, even those played abroad.





    Why can you be banned from other places and not just football grounds?




    Not all football related trouble happens in or around football stadiums. There are many other flashpoints where trouble can erupt on match days, such as bars which are popular with fans; town centres or railway stations.







    How do FBOs work?




    There are two ways. A court can impose a FBO on an individual convicted of an offence instead of, or in addition to, any sentence the court could impose for the offence. The police can also make a summary application to a sheriff court for a FBO to be imposed against an individual.





    Who administers FBOs?


    The Scottish Football Banning Orders Authority (FBOA), part of the Football Co-ordination Unit for Scotland, administers FBOs for the whole of Scotland. By working closely with the police service in Scotland and across the UK they ensure that the worst offenders are identified, arrested and prosecuted. The FBOA also ensures that FBOs are rigorously enforced and information shared. Anyone who fails to comply with the terms of their FBO or commits an offence can be fined and imprisoned for up to 6 months.





    How long will a FBO last?


    There is no minimum duration of a FBO. The length of ban depends on the circumstances of the case. The maximum duration is 10 years.





    Are football clubs made aware of FBOs?


    Yes. FBO information is shared with all football clubs in Scotland.





    What can I do?


    If you see trouble or know of an individual who has previously caused or been involved in football related violence or disorder, or you know someone who may pose a threat, you should report the matter to the police.










    Other Frequently Asked Questions











    FoCUS aims to target the minority who


    behave unacceptably at football

  4. Pauloantony



    Seriously! Do you really believe that if our PLC told Strathclydes finest to refrain from their criminality in their own house when the police are actually paid for by the club to attend that it would not happen instantly. There is absolutely no need for the police to have any presence in law whatsoever within our stadium.



    Unless someone can correct me on that.




  5. The gb has been been maligned by the msm and some others, even philmaghiolban has had a pop.


    The gb have made mistakes in some Celtic fans eyes,everyone has an opinion.


    There is a resurgence of the casuals


    which i find has more need to be addressed.


    As for the league format…


    It’ll be pushed through for one reason only.

  6. FoCUS aims to target the minority who


    behave unacceptably at football




    how many sevco fans have been subjected to video?

  7. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    What can our board do ?



    Help to facilitate a seat in the Lords with soundbites. In the meantime well quickly after Celtic Park becomes a scene out of 1984 crossed with midnight express.




  8. And for the record awe naw…


    As for the dens park disturbances , the media waited for this moment to happen and made a mountain out of a mole hill !


    I know that


    You know that


    Everyone there knows that !



    But that small minority allowed our club and our support to be hung out to dry NOT OUR BOARD .



    as a Celtic supporter whom takes his 6 year old to most home games as well as many away games i can , I find some behaviour of a few unacceptable and those few folk who allowed our good support to be tarnished with great delight of the scottish media should be ashamed of themselves … And I for one would love to see them banned for life not just our board !

  9. Soccernomics has a chapter on the significance of managers which makes interesting reading.



    They found that long-term, managers make very little difference to the points total achieved by most clubs.



    They also tend to clear out the playing squad and bring in their own players, costing their clubs huge amounts of money, with the process being repeated every two years or so when the manager is sacked or resigns.



    Soccernomics posits that the amount of money a club spends in the transfer market makes very little difference to where they finish in the league, and that the most important factor is the club’s wage bill. There’s a huge correlation between wages paid and final league position.



    Celtic always finish first or second in the SPL, so it’s more interesting to look at our final points total since the SPL began:



    1998-99 Venglos 71


    1999-200 Barnes/Dalglish 69


    2000-01 O’Neill 97


    2001-02 O’Neill 103


    2002-03 O’Neill 97


    2003-04 O’Neill 98


    2004-05 O’Neill 92


    2005-06 Strachan 91


    2006-07 Strachan 84


    2007-08 Strachan 89


    2008-09 Strachan 82


    2009-10 Mowbray/Lennon 81


    2010-11 Lennon 92


    2011-12 Lennon 93




    There’s no doubt that Celtic’s wage bill rose significantly under Martin O’Neill and that there was a clear-out of high earners in the season after he left – Larsson left before his final season, then Lambert, Sutton, Thompson and Hartson went before season 2006-07 kicked off.



    There’s a drop-off in the points total from that point, but we’ve achieved similar points totals to the MON/WGS transition season in the two seasons since Neil Lennon took over.



    I’d be interested in knowing if Celtic has a similar wage bill now to that in seasons 2004-05 and 2005-06.



    You’d also need to know what the wage bill was relative to the other teams in the league to make a reasonable conclusion, but I think Lenny is maybe, just maybe, overperforming in the SPL as well as he obviously is in Europe.



    Final point about Soccernomics – the authors suggest that success in football depends in large part on being able to benefit from the cross-fertilisation of ideas from the Western European network centred on Germany, France and Italy.



    Celtic could benefit from hiring a few continental coaches in order to keep up with the latest tactical innovations.



    Hopefully that wasn’t too long-winded and boring, but I did find the book fascinating.

  10. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on




    23:05 on 6 January, 2013



    Spot on, AGAIN …..the priority is getting rid of zombies2 …….then the treatment the GB are currently enduring, and we endured for over 100 years, will relent…….if not, wevwill continue to deal with it…..it’s called resistance…

  11. sipsini



    I heard there was trouble between a few of the GB and a few casuals.



    That tells me there is a concerted effort to discredit the GB, this has happened after the Spartak game and in Dundee.



    I know who I believe are responsible.

  12. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on




    Yeah the expected utopian behaviour of the Celtic support is not washing much with the Scottish government either.




  13. MWD


    If the police feel that there is an issue of concern they will take whatever action they deem appropriate .


    UNTIL the GB our board and the police sit down together and talk we can only speculate the reasons what this that and the other happens .

  14. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    The only issue of concern were Celtic fans singing Irish ballads. This is what the arrests were for. That Celtic fans seem desperate to legitimise this concern from Scotlands finest is a sad indictment of where we are today.




  15. Awe naw …


    Really ?


    Image the Scottish government taking a dim view us ?


    I wonder why ??


    If our support as a single voice united instead of muttering here and there Prehaps they would sit up and take notice ??


    Especially with a referendum approaching ?


    But tell me awe naw …


    What do they ACTUALLY find offensive about our club / support?

  16. Tet.



    My son was showing me a casual website.


    There is a resurgence from teams all over.


    Maybe it goes hand in hand with the economic climate as the eighties was a nightmare at times traveling to away games.



    I had a couple of close calls back then.

  17. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on




    23:09 on 6 January, 2013





    I gave up reading at after you









    Good mhan …..and please do me a favour,……don’t read, or respond to, any of my future posts……your responses are sometimes ‘weird’……… I’m afraid some of your posts give me the impression you are ‘not the full shillin’…. HH





    I think the board might have waited a bit before offering their grovelling apologies for Dens Park.



    Had they done so,they would have been aware of the fact that the police and DP securit had made the decision to ignore the law regarding admittance of intoxicated people.



    The board,in my experience,are far too quick to condemn us,and never to be found when we should be defended.



    Witness the reactions to the charges laid against us for the Udinese/Rennes matches.



    They seem to be of an opinion that we can cough up,but not turn up-cos when we do,well,it offends their new-found middle-class sensibilities.



    High time they remembered who bought them their respectability,IMO.

  19. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on




    Its existence as far as I can make out. Then our associated religion. Our heritage and our politics.



    Why our board accept all this so meekly is anyones guess.



    The whole of Europe celebrated Kevin Prince Boateng walking of the park this week. When about 50 fans racially abused him a few times.



    Ambrose Effe was racially abused for at least 30 minutes from what I heard



    But you being it up on CQN and our self flaggelation specialists will accuse you of whataboutery ???????



    If you being up the meaning of charity or whether the saying charity begins at home arena from the bible or not then dont expect any debate on the issue here on CQN




  20. sipsini



    I was at a game in Glasgow against Aberdeen, was there with a few older blokes, would have been my age now, the casuals from the north were there in number, they gave not a jot who they attacked, we got ambushed by about a dozen of them, never have I been so relieved to see a polis car driving up the road.



    Aye, you would be right about the economic climate, it brings out the worst, and also it brings out the collective in people, for good or bad, it unites.



    Just a pity our club seems to get more divided as time passes.




  21. Pauloantony



    Pal.. Ah am in Concord wi’ ye ,oan this wan.



    The Celtic Board.. are oor Friends… and they are doing a


    wonderful joab o’ Stewardship,in molding the Financial Profile o’ oor great Club.



    They are no . .the Bogey Men, in this Story.






    The Celtic Administrators know fine well… where the Monkey Sleeps.



    and..they also know oan which side o’ the Slice.. thur Bread is Buttered.



    There is Jist no way, that they wid.. Cook the Goose , that laid the Golden Egg.



    Pity, that the Majority of this Forum. accordin …tae Ma tak oan it.. are not


    cognizant of that fact.



    Guid, fur you pal.. ye are right oan in yer thinkin’..in this wan.



    In MA opinion.. of Course.



    The Rousing Singing and over all Enthusiasm which is espoused by G.B. during the game.. is fine entertainment, and are fine adjuncts which…only enhance.. The… “A DAY at Celtic Park” .. Experience.



    They are an Invaluable asset.






    They jist need tae make sure that .. they draw in, and discipline, that tiny minority o’


    young scallywags, who inhabit the Fringes of their Membership.



    The Leaders of the G.B…. Must…Read them the Riot act..and Insist that they OBEY the Laws that have bin pit in place..fur the safety and well being..o’ the ither Attendees


    at the Game.






    Kojo.. yer pal… who likes the wey ye think.



    Still, Laughin’

  22. MWD


    Pull police presence ?


    Warrants ?


    Sorry mate but that is nonsense !


    They would just not allow games to go ahead .

  23. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on




    Why did the board not make any political capital at the Dens Park security cheif allowing with full police permission that drunkards were allowed into Dens Park thereby breaking the law and why did Bangers get in when strip searching was enforced and the only arrests made were for offensive singing ?



    I reckon cause the police would be less cooperative at Celtic park for the board sponsored harrasment of the GB.




  24. Good Night Scotland


    Good Night Ireland


    Good Night Wales


    Good Night England


    Good Night Canada


    Good Night New Zealand


    Good Night Australia.






    Good Night.. Patrick and Andrew and Bill and John Gilmartin.. wherever you are.






    Still.. Laughin’

  25. BMCUWP…


    The board offering its apologies for a few if our supports behaviour incorrect??


    Irrespective of wether intoxicated support got in or not is no excuse for a few folks behaviour !


    What were the ground staff to do ?


    Breathalyse fans?


    Imagine the potential bother if some fans were turned down entry ?



    Our board apologised because a handful of idiots couldnt behave themselves end of!



    Sometimes you need to reconise a problem instead of blaming our board





    It is NOT only the Green Brigade whom the board disdain.



    How many posters on here who explain their greivances against the board are members of the Green Brigade?



    Do you think,for example,MWD is a member?



    Or me?



    Could it be that we see injustice,and rally against it?



    The treatment of the Green Brigade-and the fans in general,recently-goes against the ethos of the club.



    That’s the club you fell in love with during your wee sojourn here all those years ago,the club of the underdog and the downtrodden.






    The Green Brigade are you,but sixty years later………

  27. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on




    See my previous post. You are not recognising the problem.




  28. Blantyretim???


    Legislation ?


    I dinnae care for legislation but I do care for the safety of me and my 6 year old when attending football matches ?


    What’s your point ?


    We don’t need policing at the ground ??

  29. jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/ on

    N K



    Yipp a classic!!! On the early debate. Me & miki67 pay burleys wages you help Whyte v Sky. But all of us pay Mc lean, Nevin & co’s wages. Which is really annoying!!

  30. Pauloantony



    your/our board care nothing for thre paying fans..if they did they would stand up for them or at least maybe sit with them/us for once. we go to the AGM and we are ignored, will a meeting with the fans make anything any better..?





    re filming at matches


    Q. Are police permitted to film me at football?


    A. Yes, the use of cameras in an overt manner by police is acceptable and competent in relation to the Police (Scotland) Act 1967, Section 17. Police officers using cameras in this manner must be in full uniform. It has also been found that using cameras in the manner mentioned above does not engage Article 8 of ECHR (Privacy) so long as the use of cameras is reasonable and proportionate to the police purpose to which they were deployed in the first instance. This has been tested in court on several occasions and most notably in WOOD v COMMISSIONER for the Metropolis (2009).



    FoCUS officers have undergone specific training before deploying to football fixtures with cameras. As with all police action at a football fixture, the use of cameras is subject to the Police Commander’s approval. There are also strict procedures for downloading, retaining and weeding of the footage obtained and this can be examined at any time by the Office of Surveillance Commissioners.