St Johnstone have been a managerial proving ground in recent seasons. Owen Coyle did a great deal of good work without achieving promotion to the SPL, but his two years there managed to sufficiently impress Burnley that they tempted him south. The people of Burnley were probably as surprised as the rest of us when Own led them to the FA Premier League but five months into the season he jumped ship to Bolton Wanderers.
Coyle kept Bolton up in 2010 and again in 2011 but they slipped from the league last summer. Poor form in the Championship soon turned sentiment against the manger and he was relieved of his duties in October.
Derek McInnes followed Coyle at St Johnstone and brought them into the SPL in his first full season but 15 months ago, after being touted for several jobs in England, he left for Bristol City, who, bottom of the Championship, sacked him today.
Steve Lomas is St Johnstone’s current manager and the latest to impress clubs south of the border offering larger pay-packets. He would be foolish to accept a job from a struggling club who have sacked their manager mid-season. As we have said several times before, managers receive a great deal of credit or blame but the success of a football club is infinitely more dependent on the entire structure of the club.
St Johnstone’s structure is just fine. The same is true of Inverness, where Terry Butcher decided to stay this week, as well as Ross County and Motherwell. The city clubs, Aberdeen, Hibs, Hearts, Dundee United and Dundee all churn through seasons as compulsive underachievers. If they were able to do something about this fact our league would be the envy of most.
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How folks can be shocked by anything the SFA has pulled in order to support the establishment club is beyond me.
Celtic and its fans have enjoyed success in spite of Scottish Football and its associations not because of them.
A parcel of rogues.
u
The Huns keeping their titles etc …is a figment of their own imagination and that of their supporters
They are deluding themselves
It will be quite funny when they are stripped of those they garnered illegally
Anyway…another season in the bottom tier of Scottish football beckons …this season was a novelty …next season will be awful
embramike
Totally agree with you, PL has been diplomatic in his public statements should this what you say be the case the game is up its rigged to ensure the survival on 1 club with despite what many on the green side of things say is a horrible bigotted instituition
Just saw those 2 own goals ……he’d be a great striker……LOL
Any of you ghuys or ghirls got 3D TV…? ……the ManU game today is in 3D and was just wondering what you thought about it…?
What is the reasoning behind the SFA considering the huns to be the same club post liquidation
Apart from dirty Hun bassaness
St Stivs
Cheers. It was suggested that the Euro League idea would benefit from a second division, giving access to more clubs. I think that’s a pretty good idea.
On Romanov, he wouldn’t need to liquidate to get rid of the debt, as it is his own group UBIG that controls voting in any CVA, and thus he could come out of the other side in a matter of weeks, with the business intact.
ASOD
I would be very interesting to know who the ECA spoke to at the SFA and exactly what was said .
If they have told the ECA that sevco 2012 were the same club and it was only a company change then why have they never came out publicly and confirmed this here in Scotland as I believe CO would have taken great pleasure in doing so and would have relished the role so much that he would have been on every MSM platform available .
It seems strange does it not that the biggest question in Scottish football seems to have been answered in an telephone enquiry from a private members club .
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
A few points.
Point one. Dull but important stuff from UEFA.
Their licence applicants’ employees include “all professional players”.
Professional footballers are employees of the licence applicant.
Loic Remy on his way Newcastle for £10m
Another avenue closes for Gary Hooper’s agent
….pfayr
13:01 on
13 January, 2013
It is truly pathetic……only in Scotland …..!!!! ………..
Point two. Again, dull but important from UEFA.
“A licence applicant may only be a football club, i.e. a legal entity fully responsible for a football team participating in national and international competitions.”
… may only be …
Quite clear.
TBB
Typed a reply and lost it.
I don’t have time to do it again.
I will sometime in the future.
TT
Following up on TBB long article which mentioned youth development…
Pro youth teams are still full of big lads who are average at football but will win the physical battle. This is because teams are still judged mainly on results.
Most pro youth games are played on artificial grass, this allows the best footballers to prosper. Occasional games on soggy grass pitches make the cloggers look like supermen.
Most (but still not all) youth coaches are encouraging and want good passing football.
Playing more games at all levels on good artificial pitches is the single most important change we can make to improve our nations football.
If a professional football player’s employer may only be a football club, professional football players employed by Rangers who moved to Charles Green’s new club were moving to a new employer.
We have the proof of this before our eyes.
As Charles Green has mentioned a million times, he wanted TUPE to apply. If the football club were the same, the employer would be the same and TUPE would have been unnecessary and nonsensical.
Conclusion. Every time Green mentions and has mentioned TUPE, and every time the MSM, Fraser Wishart and all the rest of them talk about TUPE, they are admitting a change of employer, which “may only be” a change of football club.
Do they think no one in Scotland can read?
Re Lisbon betting
Betting on football matches was illegal in 1967 in the UK so the only odds would be from street bookies.It might have been possible if you had an account with someone like John Banks
Ten Men Won The League
08:35 on 13 January, 2013
Great to see Lenny invited to a 2 day managers seminar by host Alex Ferguson.Guardiola + Mourinho also in attendance #kudos
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Sleekit wee Greggs-worrier Sally demanding to know the names of all involved…
And why he’s not one of them, being the best ‘rookie’ 50 year old manager in the fourth tier.
We all know this “same club just different company” line is fiction. Just ask anyone who spins it two questions:
1. Does this mean that past Rangers’ shareholders only owned shares in a company, not in the football club?
2. Describe the “football club” that is separate from the company that employs the players, owns the ground and sells the tickets.
CF
If they print lies often enough…….,
Only Huns and their sympathisers think they are the same club….others know the reality
CF
TUPE is to protect employees…quite how Green thinks he has a case against those players who left is mystifying
@StMiley Ogilvie lied to ECA!? – seriously! – HE MUST GO!!! http://t.co/gtNHZt0N
Celtic_first
Don’t you know that those rules only apply to everyone other than the peeil in the peepils world their wants are all that matters .
If the SFA have sanctioned the stiffing of over 270 creditors with nothing more than a transfer embargo (that began after the transfers window shut ) then I am astounded as to the level of sheer corruption in our game .
IMO if true then this era will go down as the time when the corruption was shown to be from top to bottom .
I would urge Celtic to do everything in their power to free us from the so called game in this country as staying here is NOW not an option .
21 points between Man Utd + Liverpool
11 points between Man City + Arsenal
What a Super Sunday eh?
From @Dempsey1888
http://t.co/D4S9prsz PAGE 1 “the company and the club” anyone wanna have a crack at explaining when or how they seperated??
What is recorded on the UEFA history records for Sevco …?
Interesting piece by Paul Forsyth in SoS, combining the strands of league restructuring, education and youth football:
“OF ALL the non-league clubs likely to benefit from the introduction of a pyramid system, the University of Stirling are surely the most intriguing…”
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/pyramid-selling-a-system-that-would-allow-teams-into-the-sfl-on-merit-makes-a-great-degree-of-sense-1-2734775
TMWTL
This is Holywood.
SKY have to build up ANY product that they show.
No interest ,no audience.
That is why they are hyping up Sevco.
They are building the rise from The Ashes comeback.
There will be no mention of a new club.
The show must go on.
TT
Fergus slays the blues says at 13:04
Guess who was vice chairman ?
Mr indigo Mclelland
TUPE
TUPE clearly allows the employee to object to being automatically transferred from the old Company to the new Company . All the employee has to do is inform either employer that they do not wish to be transferred.
PFayr 12:56
Huns keeping their titles etc….
You seem to be a well informed intellectual chap.
Are you of a 100% feeling that the huns will forfeit ill-gotten titles to Celtic?
This will realise a lifelong ambition of mine to say that we have won more leagues than they did (when they existed).
HH.
henrik
My ,my ,what a tangled web we weave
So what role did shredder smith play …..oops sorry ,slip of the tongue ,
hail hail
Please everyone read the Tom English article in SoS today – thanks for the link hen1rik @ 13:26.
We must demand clarification, or is this the SFA’s official stance ?? Putrid if so ….
SoT
TUPE…absolutely…makes a nonsense of Greens claims against employees of another company who exercised their right not to join his circus
Would urge everyone on to email stewart.regan@scottishfa.co.uk campbell.ogilvie@scottishfa.co.uk
tweet to @ScottishFA to clarify
I’m getting sick of the bending of rules to suit this lot.
The Battered Bunnet
12:30 on 13 January, 2013
An informative post as always!
Re: your Fyvie situation piece (5 years @ £6K per week) – here’s my thoughts.
Often wondered why Central Funding (e.g. SFA) don’t look at creating a Development Pot (a sort of trust-fund that takes a percentage from all forms of income/ sponsorship etc)? Bare with me on this!
Taking Aberdeen (Fyvie) as an example over the 5 years: their wage package for him would be circa £1.5M (less their mean standard weekly wage – let’s call it circa £300K for the period).
If Aberdeen were allowed to apply to the trust-fund (like a scholarship) in order to subsidise their wage package – they get to hold on to the player (they’ve developed) whilst servicing the debt. The application being restricted to only one young Scottish player at any given time from one Member Club.
In return for the scholarship funding the Applicant enters into a formal contract with the trust-fund: payment in-full of the wages advanced at the time of selling ‘said’ player + a percentage of the actual sale.
The Development Pot in theory earns interest/ growth thus allowing it to self-perpetuate – hopefully expanding the scheme so as to encourage a greater number of our promising youth to remain in Scotland beyond the age of 21.
Like all theories – it would probably require substantial initial investment to make it work – what chance the Government pitching in?
Maybe I am just day-dreaming whilst waiting on the season to re-start. :-)
In 1998 I was working for a company who were being bought by another – employees were transferred under TUPE – I decided not to go with the new company, informed them both and left at the end of my notice period
Channelislandcelt
There can be no other option if the hearing progresses impartially
Huns have admitted to having side contracts ….whether they were loans or additional wages is irrelevant…they were not declared and registered ..they should have been
Gene
It really is as simple as that