Hibernian chairman, Rob Petrie, yesterday told BBC Radio Scotland “Integrity is beyond purchase”. It’s incredible to think that we live in times where this is actually news.
It’s hard to imagine how anyone would go about arguing with Rod on this matter. Kilmarnock chairman, Michael Johnston’s recent comment, “The [SPL] clubs are mindful of a sporting integrity aspect but the commercial benefits may outweigh that” offers the alternative view, but the logical conclusion of Petrie’s argument is stark. If integrity of top clubs can be purchased, what about officials, referees and players with bookmaker friends?
We can assume Hibernian will join Celtic in voting against admitting a Newco directly into the SPL, should such a vote occur. Five clubs in total are required to block such a proposal. With Petrie declared against, would Romanov at Hearts vote for Newco? His previous public pronouncements suggest he would relish the opportunity to take on one of the big Glasgow clubs.
Dundee United and Aberdeen are two other clubs under significant supporter pressure. Both teams are also keen to change the 11-1 voting rule, which would be possible without a Newco.
Rangers, Kilmarnock, St Johnstone (through manager Steve Lomas) have all declared in favour of admitting a Newco, I expect Motherwell and St Mirren will do the same. Ross County and Inverness may fancy adding Dundee into next season’s relegation fight instead of Newco but there has been no indication how either club would vote.
The 7th May vote was the best chance of getting Newco provisions voted through. The more time clubs have to consider the decision the more susceptible they will be to supporter lobby.
I am of the view that SPL chief, Neil Doncaster, will not allow himself to become aware if Rangers have a prima facie case to answer as a result of the SPL inquiry into contractual arrangements until after a vote is taken. Deadline for clubs to respond to the inquiry passed over five weeks ago. A simple check of submissions against SPL records is all that is required. Even if each clubs issued an all-clear, the inquiry should have reported.
Doncaster perhaps has no idea of the flood that will come his way soon and wash away all of these questions. His opportunity to act before events overtake him is limited.
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The Battered Bunnet, 14:39
I read those numbers there too a while ago but there was no follow up. Thanks anyway
“New Club”
it is….
Farewell Danny Bhoy even less hirsute a Hoop, than ole Balde.
The Battered Bunnet on 15 May, 2012 at 14:16 said:
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Great article again.
Hail Hail
It’s a New Dawn
It’s a New Life
It’s a New Day
It’s a New Club
And I’m feeling gooooood
Dum…..
p
kerrybhoy74 on 15 May, 2012 at 14:33 said:
Has Cha gone too?
Richie on 15 May, 2012 at 14:10 said:
Surprised we are letting Glenn go. He was coming onto a game and we have lost the Polish CH.
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Always be suspicious of players who do sod all for years then suddenly turn it on when they are nearly out of contract!
Will Alex Thomson be reporting the SPL debacle on C4 news this week anytime?
Re TOMMY BURNS
He epitomised everything that is good about Celtic Football Club.
He was a standard bearer and fought tirelessly for his religious and football principles. He was truly a gifted footballer anlongside in my opinion equalled only by Paul Scholes. If only they had that yard of extra pace and PS was a Tim at the same time, well think about it.
BTW he knew how to get the best out of those not so gifted as he but never boasted about his remarkable talents.
In our history in 200 years he will always be remembered,
Hail Hail
PS to the Huns show some contrition
OG Raff
Must say I near soiled myself when RTC confirmed that Maurice Super Ross and Bob Malcolm were Beneficiaries.
Maybe the famous FTP signature was actually a cover up for EBT :¬)
Will Alex Thomson be reporting the SPL debacle on C4 news this week anytime soon?
Hoopslegend big Dan gone, takin’ hoopslegend Glenda with him possibly.
We’re goin’ to need a new Sieve in our brave Newclub world.
OG..,
any result on the lloyds staff
The Battered Bunnet on 15 May, 2012 at 14:49 said:
your being unkind those two were straight off the converyor belt of supreme talent at HMRC park
Why didnt anyone pick up on Petrie’s comments on that daft TV program a few weeks/months back which had chairmen, fans, “journos” on it discussing scottich football. He said as much then too.
Len Brennan
Bardzo proszę. Trzymaj się.
OGR and SoT
Got fed up waiting for either of you to reply to my earlier question about who was keeping Tommy Burns out of the midfield at the time of the Kiev game, so I looked up Celtic wiki:
So: here was the team that night:
P Bonner; P Grant, T Burns (sub: M McGhee), R Aitken, D Whyte, M MacLeod, B McClair, P McStay, M Johnston, T Shepherd, A McInally.
The report also states it was Zavarov who crocked TB (and not Belanov).
FF
The Battered Bunnet 14.16
Great stuff.
the battered bunnet – Peter Lawell has already issued a statement – lets be patient.
ASonOfDan on 15 May, 2012 at 14:45 said:
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Aye,exactly. Logic seems to play no part in this scandal.
Speaking of which did anyone notice that on Sportscene they gave more coverage to D.Utd. v M/well than our 5-0 Champions display,and denigrated our win by referring to Hertz as ‘a ghost team’?
Even my missus,who leaves me to it when it comes to football,was dumbfounded and called it disgraceful.
As well as not being a level playing field,it’s tilted as well.
ernie lynch, if you think the 12 SPL chairmen would be able to conspire to withhold who votes which way on this matter there is nothing I can do for you.
quonno, you have obviously spoken to PL more than I have on this subject. Or not.
Celtic will vote against.
Why is it so difficult for some Celtic fans to believe Newco is not in the club’s best interest?
For the record:
Newco is not in Celtic’s best interest.
It’s as though some of us have deep seated fears that we need Newco.
For the record: You are wrong, Celtic do not need Newco.
I hope that goes some way to allaying deep seated pining for Newco.
Folly Folly, Bawsman, tomato/tomatoe (phon.) FF, Other comment deleted, language.
row z, aye.
KevJungle, no probs.
musters, not on the agenda at the moment.
Googybhoy, indeed.
JohnnyClash, perhaps.
One final time for anyone with hidden fears that somehow Newco is in Celtic’s interest and they will therefore be unable to resist:
NEWCO IS NOT IN CELTIC’S INTEREST.
No one will convince me otherwise, no matter how often you try. Go tell it to someone unable to figure this out.
greenjedi on 15 May, 2012 at 14:49 said:
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I would get rid of Mulgrew as well.
Left mid or oot! IMO!
No point in keeping dfenders who can’t defend!
Bring in the quality – CSC
The Battered Bunnet on 15 May, 2012 at 14:16 said:
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Great analysis.
Can the msm please take note?
Paul67
If we lose the vote.
Do you expect any other clubs to consider “Newclubbing” this summer or next ?
Why vote AT ALL in what is essentially a cheats charter ?
Hail Hail
Stop sitting on the fence Paul, tell us what you really think about Newclub
The Battered Bunnet on 15 May, 2012 at 14:16
That seems to sum the position up!
You state:
“The initial brief was provided on 5th MArch or thereabouts. The SPL knew the result of the initial testing when they received the draft report weeks ago. It is likely that they have instructed a full audit, which would have been completed within 100 labour hours. Perhaps further issues have arisen, and the Auditors are testing other related Processes.
Whatever the situation, it is a given that the Final Report is not delayed by Harper McLeod’s diffidence or restraint”
Taking the above as a given, it is evident then Celtic FC (& the other SPL clubs & D&P) know the initial findings, the content of the final audit and any other issues arising. Don’t you think it stretches the bounds of conspiracy theory beyond breaking point to believe the clubs and/or SPL office bearers are sitting ‘pat’?
If they are, why?
IF the wrong doing was clearly evidenced and
Good article Paul,
To be honest, i wouldn’t be surprised at all if Hibs voted against hun Newco. I think for the reasons mentioned Paul, that Hibernian, Hearts, Aberdeen and Dundee United will all vote against Newco. Outside of us and der hun, they are the ONLY other clubs of any stature and size. They have a bigger fan base than any of the diddy teams and so would encounter a far bigger problem with their own fans. For example we all know how much Aberdeen hate the huns, there is no way their board would vote in favour of Newco. Their fans wid go nuts man!
Scottish Cup Final still to come but, what i think would have guaranteed “no to newco” from them, would have been if say Aberdeen or Dundee United had finished second in the SPL, or had won the League Cup. I know we are miles bigger than these clubs, but they have a decent fanbase (CITY TEAMS) and their fans would come back if they got a bit of success. The idea o the huns being “oot o the game”, whilst getting the chance to compete for 2nd spot would spur them on. It is a shame that it was pishy wee clubs like Murderwell and Kilmarnock that achieved those feats last season.
For me, the Hearts vote is the one that might no go against newco. Der hun will be hoping their east coast counterparts will be willing to help them out of the Jam.
Hail Hail.
NotothenewcoCSC
So Paul,
just to bottom this one out. Are you for or against a Newco?
;-)
Paul 67
WHY IS NEWCO NOT BENEFICIAL TO CELTIC FC WE NEED TO BE TOLD
Maybe it’s just me but I find it incredible that the huns are allowed to vote on this issue.
Turkeys?? Christmas??
The fat, simple pieman claimed that his club deserved to be punished and indeed he even mentioned that possibly, just possibly, it would be the correct thing if they were to go to Division 3.
Well Ally here’s a thought.
If you and your club have genuine remorse and sincerely wish to see the integrity of the game in Scotland upheld, then vote NO TO NEWCO!!
There would be no greater sign of contrition.
Oh FFS – I’m away
hamiltontim on 15 May, 2012 at 15:01 said:
you be careful,
all that anger youll end up tearing your corduroy jacket
ps
predictor is finished.
Get in there Paul…
…..but it’s NewClub dontchaknow :-)
Paul
(Apol’s for my earlier slip into the vernacular …)
Just for the record, I am not in favour of a NewClub.
I am, however, in favour of referring to the theoretical entity which RFC(IA) would presumably like to become as NewClub, rather than Newco.
If think such a new-style terminology is important …
FF
Paul67
Your comment a week or so ago that Celtic would become a ‘smaller but more successful club’ probably cast doubt in a few minds. ie. would the Celtic PLC be unanimous in a ‘no’ vote when the effect on Celtic(smaller club!) is clearly not negligible(in your view)?
I believe Celtic would 1) participate in the vote and 2) vote No. Others have doubts- lets hear them now rather than wait until its too late.
The Battered Bunnet on 15 May, 2012 at 14:16 said:
jimtim says. well done TBB , what a wonderful piece. Now our legal people should by this time, be well versed in how to deal with any attempt to lessen there punishment . Anyone who can tweet , get onto alex thompson with that piece from TBB , and the BBC for there documentary on minty aired end of may i think .
hail hail
jimtim.
KevJungle – “1st Flag on the JUNGLE roof for LENNON’S LION’S” on 15 May, 2012 at 14:58 said:
greenjedi on 15 May, 2012 at 14:49 said:
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I would get rid of Mulgrew as well.
Left mid or oot! IMO!
No point in keeping dfenders who can’t defend!
Bring in the quality – CSC
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‘can’t defend’ ??
Bit harsh, some of the best tackles this season have been executed by the Big Man, in spite of Andres cracker!
Could it be the reason they are sitting on the results of both the player registration and the BTC is exactly the same reason the FTT was held behind closed doors? I think the reason cited is public disorder.
Whoever pulls the plug, and I know there is no shortage of volunteers on here, will be looking over their shoulder for a long time to cone.