If/when minds at Celtic get around to considering a replacement for Alan Thompson it would also be wise to recognise the international nature of the game. Lennon, Mjallby, Parker and Thompson were all football sons of Martin O’Neill, rooted in the domestic tradition of the game (even the Swede).
Football philosophy drifts slowly between national boundaries carried by successful coaches and players. Right now the ambitious teams in the world are trying to ape the Barcelona/Spain model, the success of which is hard to argue with, but whether we look for a Spanish influence or not, we must surely look for a voice to challenge what the current management team regard as orthodoxy, in all aspects of the job.
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Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 5 June, 2012 at 20:48 said:
Oh right – That’s what you were meaning to imply – Why did you not just say that from the start,it would have saved me all that hassle,answering questions that were not genuine?
I don’t like WGS either/or because:
1.He didn’t play for Celtic
2.He was not a Catholic
3.He was not Irish
In a nut-shell,WGS wasn’t “Celtic-minded” – and that is the reason why i do not rate his managerial skills?
I resent that accusation – It is an insult to my intelligence.
I wholeheartedly loved Gordon Strachan, he gave us success, he became one of us, a supporter, a Tim. Then, before he finished, he represented us when one of our own passed, he did this with passion, pride and humility.
He continues to give the club his backing, I’d rather listen to him talk Celtic thanrovan, MacLeod, Walker or Nicholas.
Thanrovan!
than Provan.
Fair bursts yer wee rant when you make a howler like that!
It’s best that i was on my way now.
Good luck and good night to all Celtic supporters.
Slan.
I’ve given every Celtic manager a chance to prove himself when taking the job, WGS is the only one I can remember in my life time that Celtic fans hated and wanted to fail. They spent every season complaining about him and after 3 league wins they got their wish, and they trotted out the “I told you so” great fans they are.
LENNYisAwarMACHINE on 5 June, 2012 at 21:04 said:
I seem to remember a night like that, possibly that game, where the remaining real supporters followed that abuse with “We’re Celtic Supporters” louder than anything a full stadium had managed all game. There’s always something to be proud of.
Sixteen
I agree with point 1
I thought he should have been retained as our press officer.
On one occassion he got it wrong with the woman journalist.
Was it an expensive TV ?
I think the fact that you still feel so passionately about it after such a successful period with him and taking out your frustration on a TV is that it is ENTIRELY YOUR PROBLEM.
Wasting drink and personal pronoun abuse are two pet hates of mine as well so I have no sympathy for your view. None ;-)
HH
Sixteen roads to Golgotha on 5 June, 2012 at 21:16 said:
Goodnight mate, we disagree, I think you’re being unfair on Strachan, but I’ll look forward to agreeing or disagreeing in the future.
I don’t like WGS because just like my sister he’s a GINGER !!!
( only joking sis)
The wee man gave us some great champions league nights
H.H
Rioskorrie on 5 June, 2012 at 20:02 said:
I had the pleasure of watching the last hunz game EVER in your wee Mexican canteena.
Met Bruce and others (you were away) and had a blast.
I saw some pics of the teams….you guys do a great job!
I find it ironic the energy spent on arguing over who was the better of our two most successful managers in recent history – when we have had so many homers!
Why not throw the two into a boxing ring to see who the definitive winner is!?
Better the devil you know I suppose.
I’ll not spend too much time making comments which will ultimately lead to the second, most successful manager in recent times, in the bloggers opinion, being castigated for not being as successful as the other guy!
Both managers were recruited on the basis of totally different briefs and they were both successful in achieving what I suppose you could say their ‘top 3 targets were’.
MON’s was to take Celtic – an absolute nothing and almost forgotten in terms of european participation – and put us back along that former glorious road.
He had to wrestle the league back from a Rangers at the pinnacle of its dual contract cheating and bottomless overdraft pit.
He was going to have to start from the bottom and work his way up and to do that he would be provided with the funds necessary to reintroduce a bit of thunder.
He succeeded in every department.
He took Celtic from being one of the bottom ranked in Pot 4 to being a Pot 2 by the time he left. Im not going to go into the records he broke there was so many and you already know them.
For every man who says he left a team in dissaray I say you are talking out of the hole in your back pocket, for all that was missing between that Celtic team and this current day Manchester City is a little bit of luck – we had more clear cut chances to bury Motherwell than we had had in over a dozen victories prior to that.
WGS came in with the brief of reducing costs. We had an unsustainable business model and had pushed our own, very real overdraft in which the same bank as the huns would have demanded once again we paid up or face closure – to its limits.
We had achieved our objectives – the name Glasgow Celtic was an up and coming name in European football which theoretically could and should have meant so many young, up and coming and hungry youngsters from European football wanted to join to aid their own careers.
It was time to cut our cloth to suit.
I myself played with the phrase ‘down sizing’ for years but I dont think it was down sizing – it was just backing out of the race our EPL neighbours had embarked on in their quest for continued improvement.
I say this because within 2, maybe 3 years of Strachan taking over Lawwell admitted our wage bill was the same.
Recruiting a Chris Sutton in the prime of his career wouldnt cost WGS the £6m plus £30k p/wk wages MON got him for.
So the task was to remove the players more recently resigned on the inflation busting rises by MON himself and start again.
I will openly admit I didnt like the football we played under Strachan. I couldnt stand hearing at a time just after a particular game Caldwell had been woeful and I was at my most emotional raw state to then hear WGS make a point of telling the interviewer he thought that very same man was immense.
There were many things I didnt like – however he is not employed to be everyones best friend, he was employed to bring the same level of success to Celtic with less resources.
He did it. He didnt do it my way, he did it his way, but he did do it.
Ill also say this – he successfully accomplished his brief of dismantling an extremely experienced, dominant and close knit dressing room – lets not forget AV Boas recently failed to do the same thing, one of the most up and coming managers of a generation we were told (Paul Le who!?)
They both did it their way.
MON wouldnt be the manager MON was had he not given those improved contracts to pro’s passing their 30’s. he wouldnt have had a dressing room full of individuals who would go through brick walls for him whereas others were playing a couple of divisions above their actual abilities.
One thing is for damn sure and thats you or I will never know the extent of the battles both managers had with the Celtic board, how many players who would have delivered more success for a few pennies more than the board were willing to spend.
Thats an argument worth happening – not the whole MON vs WGS (Apollo after he came good) vs Rocky thing!
Doc is Neil Lennon on 5 June, 2012 at 21:15 said:
Thanrovan!
Doc ,no one would have noticed if you hadn’t pointed it out:o)anyway I have no qualms with Provan and MacLeod ,they didn’t grow up Celtic
fans,rats like Walker and Nicholas that’s a different matter,your correct,wee Gordon has not said a word against us.
Silver city Neil Lennon – true. But I dont think the wee man heard it. He was already away up the tunnel by then.
The weird thing is we’ve had some awful managers, some who have screwed us over big time yet I’ve never hated them.
WGS comes along, wins things, is actaully one of our most successfully manager in history and some fans still can accept him, not even grudgingly (horrible word). It’s in their bones that they can’t like the guy, very very strange.
WGS Delivered what we wanted!!
Sixteen roads to Golgotha on 5 June, 2012 at 21:16 said:
It’s best that i was on my way now.
Good luck and good night to all Celtic supporters.
Slan
aye you are probably right….jog on and leave the Celtic supporters to chat
voguepunter on 5 June, 2012 at 21:20 said:
No-one would have noticed because you all scroll by;-)
Provan and MacLeod, true they weren’t fans before they played for us.
I don’t understand Walker or Nicholas, I don’t get their agenda, do they want to be liked by Huns?
I missed out on the books discussion pages back but thought I’d add my ha’penny worth.
I know reading tastes are very individual and I knows there’s probably a big gender influence BUT these are non-girly books I loved and male friends also liked:
Learning to lose – David Trueba. No happy endings here. A football link – one of the storylines involves a young argentinian footballer new in spain. I had Messi in my head as I read it.
Purge – Sofi Oksanen. Human trafficking in Eastern Europe.
Nothing – Janne Teller. Written for teenagers but nothing like Twilight or Harry potter. A silly game gets out of hand
All the above fairly bleak which is not how I see myself….
I will be taking note of your recommendations for the long summer ahead :)
16 roads.
Finish that magners yae chucked at the telly afore yae huv an aneurysm.
GG
They found me out long before I got to that level. I nicked the shoes from the vestry!
Anyway, nice t hear from you again. The gap was that long last time I felt the thread was lost. You mentioned Joe Reilly. There was a teacher there called Tommy Laughrin that played for the old Airdrie just few years prior to my time at St. Davids. You may have heard the name Gerry Hughes too. He was the assistant head. If Joe was good cop, Gerry was definitely bad cop.
H H
Sixteen
I called your train of thought hunnesque even earlier in a post directly addressed to you.
I think your shit stirring
HH
Oh, aye………….
‘new balls’ please!
*shift change*
It used to annoy me with the contempt Strachan treated the media. But do you know summit? I wish he was around just now!!
it must be quiet when the WGS debate is opened up. Back then I posted elsewhere that I disliked his approach to our game (SPL) . I believed he over complicated our approach to home games, I also think he thought he could make Celtic players out of some pretty poor base metal.
He was not the coach he thinks he is, but he was a good coach for Celtic and although I found his football dull, he was part of some great times. I did not like his way with the MSM although he was scornful of most of them, but what Celtic manager would not be?
My highest praise for him is, and was, for the respect he showed our club and continues to display in public. Certain “former heroes” could learn from him.
lennon’s passion on 5 June, 2012 at 20:14 said:
When did Gordon get sacked?
I hate the WGS debate as I spent 4 years backing him up despite us being successful (I can admit it was poor football), it was just shite arguing with fans about a winning manager.
But the thing i hated most was the fact WGS treated the media with contempt, I love him for that, it was what I wanted every Celtic manager to do yet he was criticised by some fans for his attitude to the media, can you even get your head round that one? Celtic fans didn’t like the way the manager mistreated the media? That’s got to be the most bizarre thing i’ve ever heard,
The_huddle,
I loved how he treated the MSM with utter contempt, it was better than they deserve.
LENNYisAwarMACHINE on 5 June, 2012 at 21:21 said:
Silver city Neil Lennon – true. But I dont think the wee man heard it. He was already away up the tunnel by then.
Oh, You’re just determined to be miserable because the Huns aren’t dead yet.
the_huddle on 5 June, 2012 at 21:34 said:
spot on
the meeja were are all over it then …and still at it now
ask yourself why this was brought up tonight .., what was the context?
just parachuted in for no obvious reason
hmmmm
HH
M
Doc/huddle
Heard many times the ‘don’t like the way he talks
to the meeja’ statement.
To be honest I was mostly struck dumb on these
occasions,which was bloody unusual :o(
Tom Jones syndrome/ – it’s not unusual :-))
used to hear ‘fans’ talking about WGS ‘not being accepted by the media’ and ‘not playing the (MSM) game’. Always thought ‘thank god!’
WGS was honest, sometimes too honest for his own good. As a pundit, since he left he has defended NFL and Celtic reasonably and conistently. He hasn’t taken the LL shilling like Walker, Burley, McLeod and Provan.
He spoke for us all when he spoke about TB.
It’s not a question of comparing him with MO’N, he was a success.
the_huddle on 5 June, 2012 at 21:34
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Doc is Neil Lennon on 5 June, 2012 at 21:36
WGS gave the Scottish media the respect they deserved. Loved him for that. We don’t need the media in Scotland, they need us and he knew it.
cv
France 4-0
Every time i have watched Olivier Giroud the last couple of seasons he has impressed me
A real pity he chose Montpellier over us in 2010. At £2m he would have been a steal
He is now valued at circa £12m
4-0 France (Menez)
The negative attitude shown towards WGS by many Celtic fans was a prime example of the depressing fact that far too many fans got their sport news from the Daily Record, Scottish Sun, etc.
An even more depressing thought is that even after the laptop loyal’s demonisation of Neil Lennon, there are still thousands of Hoops fans who buy these rags. I could possibly forgive some of the older fans for not being PC literate, but the rest are out and out Uncle Tims.
What else would you call someone who financially supports our enemies?
God bless Gordon Strachan, a true friend to Tommy Burns and Glasgow Celtic.
TTTT
THe French are clicking, Spain and Holland for the win but France is a good bet. Think Germany are a tad overated. Good team just not great players.
Cathedral View on 5 June, 2012 at 21:46 said:
crushed nuts
We have the new media, CQN, the official site, and may others to get news and views on Celtic, the MSM are becoming less relevant.
There are still Celtic supporters who consume the MSM, but they don’t have to, the MSM have competition.