Value of Ledley’s back post goals

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Celtic didn’t hit the heights of last week’s win at Tynecastle against Inverness last night but it was a remarkably controlled win nonetheless.  The game could have been over as a contest in the opening minutes but as the lead didn’t extend beyond a single goal the contest retained an edge.

Daniel Majstorovic was incorrectly penalised when he correctly challenged for the ball 25 yards from goal but the Swede’s lax initial response to the forward ball created the situation that resulted in his red card.  Dan had a painful game against Inverness last season but after they were reduced to 10 men Celtic were far too composed to let Inverness’ numerical advantage count.

We’ve spoken about the value of goals from midfield in recent seasons.  Kris Commons lit up Celtic’s season when he arrived in a flurry of goals last year but Joe Ledley’s efforts from the back post this season could prove to be even more important.

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  1. Kilbowie Kelt says:

     

    12 February, 2012 at 23:15

     

     

    Agreed.

     

     

    If newco did get back in ‘against’ our boards wishes I would say, ‘ boycot all away games’, cut off our donation to all the other SPL clubs leaving them in the same boat as no Rangers money.

  2. crc

     

     

    I would buy a season ticket if the club took that stance, and would give it to someone who could use it.

     

     

    Under NO circumstances should the board support a newco into the spl.

  3. The Exiled tim

     

     

    Stewart Reagan might be the best person to ask about the Championship option as he was the champion of it at the time in his position as Director of that (then) newly formed entity which was struggling post the collapse of ITV digital.

     

     

    Mahwinney at the Football league was not in favour but neither old firm club pursued the option with any vigour when compromise was a possibility. Our custodians carried on with the EPL will need us eventually…..the whole landscape will change…….we can continue to milk the ststus quo…..we are big in europe and a CL / post europe position allows us to balance books etc……

  4. bjmac

     

    Good post, I put my £1300 in at the time of the float not because I wanted to make money (all informed opinion was that it was a dead loss as a football club floatation had never been successful or profitable) but because I wanted Celtic to succeed. I saw them as a beacon of fairness and flair. An example of how with determination and hard work a marginalised minority can succeed against the odds.

     

     

    Celtic to me are the very antithesis of Rangers, the establishment club that typified the handshake culture in Scotland that succeeds, not by merit but by cheating. Win at any cost.

     

     

    If my club throws away its ethical standards and resuscitates the dying cheats who have brought about their own demise by greed and hubris I will never set foot in Celtic park again and I will burn my original shares and those bought in subsequent cash-calls outside of Celtic Park.

     

     

    There must be many like me who feel very strongly about this issue. In fact I would probably work harder to campaign against those running my club if they aided Rangers Newco’s easy return than I ever did against the old board—who were many things, but mainly decent people who had become complacent and lazy.

  5. THE EXILED TIM says:

     

    12 February, 2012 at 23:20

     

     

     

    they say we couldnt survive without them

     

     

    i could see us buying 53,000 tickets every year just to annoy them

  6. celticrollercoaster says In Neil we trust says:

     

    12 February, 2012 at 23:15

     

    What’s interesting is the media play on we cannot do without the huns. I do not remember the same in 1994 when the Sunday Mail were driving a hearse in front of CP and putting a tombstone of Celtic on their back pages.

     

     

    Perhaps. we should call their bluff and threaten to resign if the cheats get back in?

     

     

    Would you support this stance with a season of friendlies until we find a new league?

     

     

    Good shout, or why dont we write to our board to let them know our feelings on this.

  7. celticrollercoaster says In Neil we trust on

    THE EXILED TIM says:

     

    12 February, 2012 at 23:20

     

     

    Simply:

     

     

    NO to Newco!

     

     

    THE EXILED TIM

     

    CRC

     

     

     

    Join the list Bhoys!

     

     

    HH

     

     

    CRC

  8. celticrollercoaster says In Neil we trust says:

     

    12 February, 2012 at 23:23

     

    THE EXILED TIM says:

     

    12 February, 2012 at 23:20

     

     

    Simply:

     

     

    NO to Newco

     

    Paddy Gallagher

  9. Paddy Gallagher says:

     

    12 February, 2012 at 23:20

     

    Kilbowie Kelt says:

     

    12 February, 2012 at 23:15

     

     

    Agreed.

     

     

    If newco did get back in ‘against’ our boards wishes I would say, ‘ boycot all away games’, cut off our donation to all the other SPL clubs leaving them in the same boat as no Rangers money.

     

     

    share

     

     

     

    Another cracking shout, letters to the SFA advising them what will happen if they make the wrong decision.

  10. Burnley78,

     

     

    The risk of losing your support through concerted supported of Newco or the risk of the unknown when Rangers go bust?

     

     

    The clear and present risk is that the Celtic support will walk, no question, if newco are given any quarter.

     

     

    As for long term revenues, should we reach nirvana of Rangers ceasing to exist at least in the SPL, it is a possibility that other clubs could go bust and that the new league would be inferior. A possibility not a certainty. That is the route that the Celtic support have chosen. A route which could mean that we are left with a different league but still the same number of football supporters in Scotland. Rangers supporters will disperse among the provincial clubs like Morton just as they did in the early 80s.

     

     

    Celtic won’t have any more or less of a challenge than they would have had Rangers paid their staff within their means.

  11. Celtic roller coaster

     

    The demise of Celtic would be the preferred option of the laptop loyal.

     

    The idea that their fellow Huns die is unpalatable so they would love a newco Huns lording over a weakened discredited spl with us gone.

     

    Item helps their inferiority complex

  12. Sixteen roads to Golgotha on

    The huns should be made an example of.For the sake of football,and fairness in general.They should be banished for good.

     

     

    For their pathetic media to claim that the demise of the hun,would cost Scottish clubs financially – I say to them that their stance on this issue is nonsense and lies.Contrary to what the media are stating – the cheating and financial doping that the hun has been guilty of,over the years,has in actual fact cost other Scottish football clubs,(and Celtic in particular)untold millions in lost revenues.

  13. celticrollercoaster says In Neil we trust says:

     

    12 February, 2012 at 23:23

     

    THE EXILED TIM says:

     

    12 February, 2012 at 23:20

     

     

    Simply:

     

     

    NO to Newco!

     

     

    THE EXILED TIM

     

    CRC

     

    Kikinthenakas

     

     

    Join the list Bhoys!

     

     

    HH

     

     

    CRC

     

     

    share

     

     

  14. prestonpans bhoys on

    Big Nan says:

     

    12 February, 2012 at 23:21

     

     

    I’m 100% behind you. Speaking as someone who goes to all the games, home and away, I’m out of here if our board supports newco into the SPL.

  15. Celtic40me

     

     

    Are you really saying that a revived but slightly handicapped rangers with energy would be met by celtic supporters desserting the ship ?

     

     

    you may be right but I think the energy and turnover in our game which existed in the early 80s is the more likely scenario without rangers and this presents a much greater risk to the board…..

     

     

    I would take the risk myself 100% as my dislike of rangers and in particular all they stand for outweighs any financial interest that I have invested in celtic, I think the owners might have understandably a different view.

     

     

    This is not a view based on any information, merely evidence of previous behaviour of our custodians. I might be totally wrong.

  16. wow just sitting here and realized its the back of 11 and i haven’t read Paul’s article yet.

     

     

    back post goals.

     

     

    well that’s interesting as it kind of ties into something i cant under stand about every football team in the world.

     

     

    even on Wednesday night i was at the match speaking about my pet hate to me brother.

     

     

    why dont teams put a player on the back corner of the 18 yard box at corner kicks?

     

     

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    if you watch most matches im sure you will see a corner or corners get hit long or missed and break down from there.

     

     

    I know its not a tic-tac-tic diagram that i have posted but X marks the kind of area that i would like to see a player.

     

     

    pick up the flick-on’s or long corners but also be in a defensive position to break back.

     

     

    I hope you all remember this post and it gets under your skin at matches just like me.

     

     

    tictalker talking tic

  17. oh well it was a perfect 18 yard box when i posted it lol

     

     

    back to the drawing board :O)

     

     

    tictalker talking tic

  18. It seems clear to me that someone with good contacts in the Celtic online community needs to become the voice of all who are against a Newco in the SPL.

     

     

    Alternatively, can someone can think of a more effective way to demonstrate the depth of feeling on this matter to the Board,

  19. Magnificentseven on

    jocky bhoy says:

     

     

    12 February, 2012 at 23:23

     

     

    Anybody know what the huns going bust does to the coefficent?

     

     

     

    who cares…..as someone on here said recently I am prepared to lose anything that relies on them…………..bury them…deep

  20. tommytwiststommyturns on

    If the SPL clubs/committee vote for the immediate entry of Newco Rankers, whether or not Celtic are outvoted, then there’s not a lot we can do about it….apart from complain to UEFA that their FFP rules have been shown to be complete and utter nonsense. Give them an easy target to make an example of, in a league with no real power within European football.

     

    UEFA can’t directly influence the SPL vote, but they could threaten action against the Scottish national team and ban all Scottish clubs from European competition.

     

     

    It’s also been mentioned before that most of the SPL clubs are deeply in debt to the former Bank of Scotland, now owned by the Lloyds banking group. They have a very powerful lobby where they could possibly “advise” these clubs to vote to protect the Sky/ESPN TV deal.

     

    On the other hand, the English run banking group could panic at the thought of all these clubs following the lead of the dignified Glasgow Rangers and immediately withdraw all credit facilities from these clubs. Forget the loss of the TV deal, this would be endgame for the SPL.

     

     

    Before all this comes to pass, we should be lobbying the supporter groups of the SPL and main SFL clubs to make them aware of all the possibilities. Whether it’s winding up St Mirren or Partick Thistle fans about their clubs/licenses being bought by the Huns, or clubs facing relegation from the SPL or a second placed team in the first division….time to agitate! While there’s still time to act.

     

     

    TTTT

  21. celticrollercoaster says In Neil we trust on

    No to newco ( MWD draft the letter mate, to SPLOB and we shall write)

     

     

    THE EXILED TIM

     

    CRC

     

    Kikinthenakas

     

    PaddyGallagher

     

    Bundoran Bhoy

  22. Barcabhoy says:

     

    12 February, 2012 at 21:46

     

     

     

    Thanks for your response. Apologies for not responding sooner, but I was away at the Baftas, where I was rewarded by a sighting of Meryl Streep and DBBIA’s girl.

     

     

    I hope your qualifying post is true, but any wavering on Celtic’s part is disturbing.

     

     

    I have always considered the club to be facing a serious dilemma, damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

     

     

    I think it will take UEFA’s intervention to oversee an implementation of SAF/SPL Rules, as they stand….and I wouldn’t be hopeful of that happening.

  23. prestonpans bhoys on

    celticrollercoaster says In Neil we trust says:

     

    12 February, 2012 at 23:33

     

    add me in please

  24. prestonpans bhoys on

    ok we are going it that way

     

     

    NO to Newco!

     

     

    THE EXILED TIM

     

    CRC

     

    Kikinthenakas

     

    PaddyGallagher

     

    Bundoran Bhoy

     

    Fred C. Dobbs

     

    prestonpans bhoys

  25. Burnley78

     

     

    I well remember the talk at the time.

     

    I was living in Dublin at the time, and a mate invested quite a few bob in the hope, via his comm company that we would get into the English system.

     

     

    At no time were we even offered a place in the 2 nd tier, had we been it would have been taken up.

     

     

    I also don’t believe that we just gave up, my mate has since invested more of his kids inheritance that we will vacate Scotland for better climes.

     

     

    Our chairman at the time realised that the landscape was changing, unlike us simple supporters who want everything now, guys like him could see the bigger picture and the long game, they were prepared to wait, they also knew no doubt that the day of reckoning would come about for the hun, that day is coming to a club on the southside sometime soon.

     

     

    Dermo will get his wish, it may well not be the EPL, it might be even better.

     

     

    The real big boys want a euro league, a souped up version of the CL, and if uefa don’t oblige, they will go it alone, and Celtic will be there, no hanging on to any coat tails, the money thatCeltic can generate is up there with the best and the big boys know this.

  26. The MSM have yet again shown their lack of moral standing and fibre

     

    When the huns lose the BTC – it wil quite simply be the biggest ever scandal to hit football – not just in the best wee bigoted country in the world but the whole of the world.

     

     

    A club that systematically set out to defraud the tax authorities and did so for a decade!

     

    Whats more there is a growing awareness that these players involved in the tax scam were also breaking the rules of football by having two contracts. Even Fraser Wishart was forced to concede yesterday on SSB that if this was the case then the SFA should have been informed!

     

    So either the huns fielded inelligible players or the SFA knew they had two contracts and turned a bling eye!

     

     

    All this means that Scottish football will be front page headlines around the world- there will be wall to wall coverage

     

    The MSM seems to hoping that the decision of the BTC will be a small scale event.

     

    Yet again they are getting it spectacularly wrong!

     

     

    Our board neeed to be prepared to demand that there is a proper investigation in to all these issues – an open and transparent investigation

     

    This might take some time but the scale of the crime/scandal demands it

     

    Then they need to demand that the appropriate punishments are handed down

     

     

    To me this would seem to make it almost impossible that a newco could be allowed to play anywhere next season

     

     

    It would also mean that a genuine newco might emerge and be recognised as that- a genuine newco.

     

     

    Furthermore it would make it even more difficult to punish such a newco – which would be morally and probably legally wrong

     

     

    The correct outcome should be that the oldco is punished by losing all titles won while fielding inelligible players and the newco should have to apply for entry to the SFL and take their chances of progressing fairly and honestly

     

    Any other outcome – especially one cobbled together for sheer short term commercial averice will render all those who go along with it morally bankrupt

     

     

    To paraphrase Brian Dempsey – if newco get back in straight away –

     

     

    “The game is over – The cheats have won”

     

     

     

    HH

  27. celticrollercoaster says In Neil we trust on

    Bhoys

     

     

    Easy to join a list, let’s mobilise as well! Just need to get MWD out of bed :-) Be in touch soon!!

     

     

    HH

     

     

    CRC

  28. Burnley78 says:

     

    12 February, 2012 at 23:28

     

     

    i am saying that if the board voted to admit a newco with minimal punishment supporters would walk away from the club in large numbers. the extent and the effect of that on our club is as much an unknown as the huns dying or having to make their way through the leagues.

     

     

    in the nicest possible way i think you are wrong. of course they are duty bound to consider all the options, but in this case i think they’ll be doing a bit more thinking with their hearts than their heads

  29. Lloyds give Rangers debt to Whyte.

     

    Lloyds do this knowing they were at best unlikely to get all of their £18m due to the tax case.

     

    Lloyds are owed £xM by other SPL clubs. Rangers go bust. Lloyds get pence in the pound from all others but still better than nothing had they still owned the Rangers debt.

     

    Good debt management that.

     

    I still think the Celtic support will have more say in a Newco re entry that Lloyds mind.