Who we are and our values

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For some months now, a CQN’er and academic has prepared a project to identify who we, the Celtic support, are in 2014, what our views are, where we come from and how closely our objectives align with the Club.

The project takes the form of a questionnaire, which asks some personal questions, like your political leanings, intentions for the Referendum, faith, education and ethnic heritage.  No sign-up is involved and no identifying information is available.

There are also questions on the Offensive Behaviour Act, as well as the Club’s response to Resolution 12, The Green Brigade and the Living Wage.

The objective is to determine why you support Celtic and whether these reasons are being recognised and served.

I know Celtic have held similar surveys in the past but I’m not aware of a recent academic survey into these questions.  The survey will close on Friday 26th September and results will be reported thereafter.

As with all surveys, the more people who participate the more reflective the results will be, so please 10 minutes to get involved.  You’ll find the survey here.

If you have any questions for the author in relation to the survey please email cqn.survey@orange.fr

Thanks.

Pertaining to the above are allegations made about Aleks Tonev over the weekend.

It’s difficult to see where this one goes if the player says “I didn’t say that” without corroboration either way.  Despite this, the allegation is damaging to Celtic, and to the player, so an internal and public reaction is needed to reiterate the values of the club.

Celtic’s induction process should be clear what is and is not acceptable.

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  1. Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on

    67ecw,

     

    Bang on, and I’m sure everyone who votes yes understand that, especially Catholics as they will require to be extra vigilant.

  2. Was into electronic pop in 80’s – saw Japan, Ultravox and Human League at Apollo – little did i know I was contributing to Celtic Nation !

  3. 67…

     

     

    I’m surprised at your interpretation…

     

     

    A thing I have found refreshing has been the general absense of a ‘ milk and honey’ agenda from either side!

     

     

    HH

  4. Tom

     

    You are bang on.

     

    I was at U2 a few years ago.

     

    They broke into a medley of boy/October tracks.

     

    I was jumping about (thinking I was still in barrowlands, age 19 down the front with no shirt on)

     

    Then I realised I was the only person singing and reality dawned.

     

    There I was ‘somebody’s da’ beer belly receding hair and basically ancient.

     

    Since then I have also been selective.

     

    Except Dylan.

     

    He is a must.

  5. the unthank road on

    help needed

     

    Hi Guys

     

    I’m staying in Paisley on Thursday night. Where is a good place to see the game?Thanks.

  6. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    SIR Bob Geldof is coming back to one of the places it all began for the Boomtown Rats – Glasgow – on October 20.

     

     

    It will be an emotional return for a man deeply grateful to Scotland for helping the Rats get started.

     

     

    “Glasgow was one of the first places where we could get a gig when people in London wouldn’t look at us,” Geldof said.

     

     

    “It was the people of Scotland who bought our records, which got us up the charts.”

     

     

    And Geldof hopes Scotland will have voted to stay in the UK by the time his tour crosses the Border.

     

     

    A proud Irishman, he is a big fan of the UK – which he calls a remarkable political notion – and Scotland’s massive part in it.

     

     

    “You two guys (England and Scotland) invented the modern world. Why go back from that?” Geldof said.

     

     

    “Remember I’m Irish but it was the UK which gave me my life. The people inside this political notion are truly extraordinary.

     

     

    “The English are an amazing people. Their history is just f***ing amazing.

     

     

    “But it took the Scottish nation’s genius – and literally that is the word – to invent the modern world. That’s the truth of it.”

     

     

    Sep 04, 2014 07:44 By Dailyrecord.co.uk 154 Comments

     

    THE outspoken Live Aid hero believes passionately that separation is wrong and says Scots should be true to their history by staying in the UK.

     

     

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    Bob Geldof

     

    SIR Bob Geldof is coming back to one of the places it all began for the Boomtown Rats – Glasgow – on October 20.

     

     

    It will be an emotional return for a man deeply grateful to Scotland for helping the Rats get started.

     

     

    “Glasgow was one of the first places where we could get a gig when people in London wouldn’t look at us,” Geldof said.

     

     

    “It was the people of Scotland who bought our records, which got us up the charts.”

     

     

    And Geldof hopes Scotland will have voted to stay in the UK by the time his tour crosses the Border.

     

     

    A proud Irishman, he is a big fan of the UK – which he calls a remarkable political notion – and Scotland’s massive part in it.

     

     

    Author J.K. Rowling pledged £1m to the Better Together campaign and said: “It doesn’t take a wizard to work out that Alex Salmond’s case for breaking up the UK simply isn’t a risk worth taking.

     

    VIEW GALLERY

     

    “You two guys (England and Scotland) invented the modern world. Why go back from that?” Geldof said.

     

     

    “Remember I’m Irish but it was the UK which gave me my life. The people inside this political notion are truly extraordinary.

     

     

    “The English are an amazing people. Their history is just f***ing amazing.

     

     

    “But it took the Scottish nation’s genius – and literally that is the word – to invent the modern world. That’s the truth of it.”

     

     

     

    Geldof believes separation goes against the grain of the age we live in.

     

     

    He said: “The logic of the 21st century and immediate future is towards co-operation, consensus and compromise, as opposed to the past and the murderous 20th century which was defined by competition. Why retreat into the past? Why regress to an imagined national idyll? It won’t happen.

     

     

    “What interest does the world have in Scotland or England unilaterally? The nation state is dead. The 21st century is about interdependence.”

     

     

    Geldof believes that in the modern world, bigger is better.

     

     

    Sep 04, 2014 07:44 By Dailyrecord.co.uk 154 Comments

     

    THE outspoken Live Aid hero believes passionately that separation is wrong and says Scots should be true to their history by staying in the UK.

     

     

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    Bob Geldof

     

    SIR Bob Geldof is coming back to one of the places it all began for the Boomtown Rats – Glasgow – on October 20.

     

     

    It will be an emotional return for a man deeply grateful to Scotland for helping the Rats get started.

     

     

    “Glasgow was one of the first places where we could get a gig when people in London wouldn’t look at us,” Geldof said.

     

     

    “It was the people of Scotland who bought our records, which got us up the charts.”

     

     

    And Geldof hopes Scotland will have voted to stay in the UK by the time his tour crosses the Border.

     

     

    A proud Irishman, he is a big fan of the UK – which he calls a remarkable political notion – and Scotland’s massive part in it.

     

     

    Author J.K. Rowling pledged £1m to the Better Together campaign and said: “It doesn’t take a wizard to work out that Alex Salmond’s case for breaking up the UK simply isn’t a risk worth taking.

     

    VIEW GALLERY

     

    “You two guys (England and Scotland) invented the modern world. Why go back from that?” Geldof said.

     

     

    “Remember I’m Irish but it was the UK which gave me my life. The people inside this political notion are truly extraordinary.

     

     

    “The English are an amazing people. Their history is just f***ing amazing.

     

     

    “But it took the Scottish nation’s genius – and literally that is the word – to invent the modern world. That’s the truth of it.”

     

     

     

    Geldof believes separation goes against the grain of the age we live in.

     

     

    He said: “The logic of the 21st century and immediate future is towards co-operation, consensus and compromise, as opposed to the past and the murderous 20th century which was defined by competition. Why retreat into the past? Why regress to an imagined national idyll? It won’t happen.

     

     

    “What interest does the world have in Scotland or England unilaterally? The nation state is dead. The 21st century is about interdependence.”

     

     

    Geldof believes that in the modern world, bigger is better.

     

     

    Bob Geldof with Boomtown Rats at Live Aid in 1985

     

    He said: “Things are always bigger than we are. Therefore the bigger we are, the better it is.

     

     

    “Isn’t that what we learned from our labour struggles? Isn’t that what we learned from our wars? Isn’t that what we learned from football and families? That’s the way it just is. It’s not me just inventing it.”

     

     

    Geldof understands national pride , but has a warning when politicians start using it for their own ends.

     

     

    He said: “It’s a very healthy sense to understand who you are as a people and your place in this world. That’s a normal human instinct. We have a word for it – it’s called patriotism. But when it’s manipulated into the base metal of politics, which is nationalism – when political people on both sides of the argument do that – you have to be very wary. You really must think through these things.

     

     

    “Nationalism is a very dangerous political animal. I know this – I’m Irish. It’s a cheap political trick which twists the understanding of who we are.

     

     

    “I completely understand the emotional impulse towards independence. But always consider independence in inverted commas because what the f*** does it mean?

     

     

    “We are entirely dependent on one another. None of us, in our private lives or our political constructs, are ever independent.

     

     

    “We are all sovereign unto ourselves but we’re dependent on one another.”

     

     

    Geldof also understands people’s unhappiness with the current political system , but says Scotland going it alone is no answer.

     

     

    He said: “You think you guys are p***ed off with Westminster? What do you think it’s like living in London? F***ing Londoners are p***ed off with Westminster. The world is changing and needs different institutions, but not just removing ourselves from each other.

     

     

    “Actually co-operating with each other – that excites me. That interests me more than the f***ing bagpipe playing. That sort of stuff drives me nuts in Ireland as well.”

     

     

    Sep 04, 2014 07:44 By Dailyrecord.co.uk 154 Comments

     

    THE outspoken Live Aid hero believes passionately that separation is wrong and says Scots should be true to their history by staying in the UK.

     

     

    14671 Shares

     

    Share

     

    Tweet

     

    +1

     

    Email

     

    Bob Geldof

     

    SIR Bob Geldof is coming back to one of the places it all began for the Boomtown Rats – Glasgow – on October 20.

     

     

    It will be an emotional return for a man deeply grateful to Scotland for helping the Rats get started.

     

     

    “Glasgow was one of the first places where we could get a gig when people in London wouldn’t look at us,” Geldof said.

     

     

    “It was the people of Scotland who bought our records, which got us up the charts.”

     

     

    And Geldof hopes Scotland will have voted to stay in the UK by the time his tour crosses the Border.

     

     

    A proud Irishman, he is a big fan of the UK – which he calls a remarkable political notion – and Scotland’s massive part in it.

     

     

    Author J.K. Rowling pledged £1m to the Better Together campaign and said: “It doesn’t take a wizard to work out that Alex Salmond’s case for breaking up the UK simply isn’t a risk worth taking.

     

    VIEW GALLERY

     

    “You two guys (England and Scotland) invented the modern world. Why go back from that?” Geldof said.

     

     

    “Remember I’m Irish but it was the UK which gave me my life. The people inside this political notion are truly extraordinary.

     

     

    “The English are an amazing people. Their history is just f***ing amazing.

     

     

    “But it took the Scottish nation’s genius – and literally that is the word – to invent the modern world. That’s the truth of it.”

     

     

     

    Geldof believes separation goes against the grain of the age we live in.

     

     

    He said: “The logic of the 21st century and immediate future is towards co-operation, consensus and compromise, as opposed to the past and the murderous 20th century which was defined by competition. Why retreat into the past? Why regress to an imagined national idyll? It won’t happen.

     

     

    “What interest does the world have in Scotland or England unilaterally? The nation state is dead. The 21st century is about interdependence.”

     

     

    Geldof believes that in the modern world, bigger is better.

     

     

    Bob Geldof with Boomtown Rats at Live Aid in 1985

     

    He said: “Things are always bigger than we are. Therefore the bigger we are, the better it is.

     

     

    “Isn’t that what we learned from our labour struggles? Isn’t that what we learned from our wars? Isn’t that what we learned from football and families? That’s the way it just is. It’s not me just inventing it.”

     

     

    Geldof understands national pride , but has a warning when politicians start using it for their own ends.

     

     

     

    VIEW GALLERY

     

     

    He said: “It’s a very healthy sense to understand who you are as a people and your place in this world. That’s a normal human instinct. We have a word for it – it’s called patriotism. But when it’s manipulated into the base metal of politics, which is nationalism – when political people on both sides of the argument do that – you have to be very wary. You really must think through these things.

     

     

    “Nationalism is a very dangerous political animal. I know this – I’m Irish. It’s a cheap political trick which twists the understanding of who we are.

     

     

     

     

    “I completely understand the emotional impulse towards independence. But always consider independence in inverted commas because what the f*** does it mean?

     

     

    “We are entirely dependent on one another. None of us, in our private lives or our political constructs, are ever independent.

     

     

    “We are all sovereign unto ourselves but we’re dependent on one another.”

     

     

    Geldof also understands people’s unhappiness with the current political system , but says Scotland going it alone is no answer.

     

     

    He said: “You think you guys are p***ed off with Westminster? What do you think it’s like living in London? F***ing Londoners are p***ed off with Westminster. The world is changing and needs different institutions, but not just removing ourselves from each other.

     

     

    “Actually co-operating with each other – that excites me. That interests me more than the f***ing bagpipe playing. That sort of stuff drives me nuts in Ireland as well.”

     

     

     

    Geldof is proud of Ireland, but says his country’s history is different to Scotland’s.

     

     

    He said: “We were an occupied country for 700 f***ing years.

     

     

    “We were never allowed to industrialise. You guys had the very opposite. You guys chose – very Scottish, very practical – you saw the way to utilise your genius was by joining up, together. F*** me

     

    did you do it – and ran the f***ing show and still do.

     

     

    “Look what you did. The NHS – Beveridge’s dad was Scottish. Blair and Brown brought in the minimum wage. The actual benefits of this country are actually only derived by cooperation together.”

     

     

    Geldof also had a warning about currency.

     

     

    He said: “Look at Ireland within the euro. F***ed up. Completely f***ed up.”

     

     

    He is aware there are people with Irish roots thinking of voting Yes in the belief it might help lead to a United Ireland. But he urges them to reconsider.

     

     

    He said: “There’s going to be an independent Scotland and a united Ireland and it will all be great?

     

     

    “What will be great about it? Please explain that to me. Do you have any less pride in being Scottish or Irish than you will have next week? Seriously?

     

     

    “It’s the manipulation of that pride and spurious arguments like that which drives me nuts.”

     

     

    Geldof dislikes the aggressive tone the debate has taken and urges Scots to go back to our intellectual roots, which changed the world.

     

     

    He said: “We’re down to the thin bones of the argument when people have started shouting at each other. It’s very upsetting.

     

     

    “People should be allowed to speak in any forum they like, be listened to and rebutted.

     

     

    “That’s the way we do these things here, because ultimately modern civilisation was invented between these two peoples. That’s the f***ing truth. You don’t have the modern economy without Adam Smith. You don’t have the logic of liberty without David Hume and all those people. You just don’t.

     

     

    “F***’s sake, you guys. You don’t have to listen to Darling and Salmond. Go back to the people you spawned, they wrote the text.

     

     

    “They fully realised what they were doing when they sat in those coffee houses in Edinburgh. They were inventing the modern world.”

     

     

    And Geldof believes the best future for Scotland, in the modern world, is to remain in the UK.

     

     

    He said: “It’s only together, with a single shared sense of purpose, that we get to do things in the 21st century. There’s plenty to be done. Let’s get on and do it together.”

  7. West Wales Celt

     

    19:23 on

     

    15 September, 2014

     

     

    I agree. It was all a bit woolly and vague.

     

     

    Why “Do you think the Club will pursue Res 12” instead of “Should the Club pursue Res 12…”?

     

     

    And what relevance is there in my maw and da having been born in Donegal and Dublin?

     

     

    “Are you happy about the way the club is being run?” is a very big and involved question. Far too big for a ‘totally unhappy – totally happy’ spread of response.

  8. Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas on

    The Apollo was out of this world, great place for a gig. My dad took the family to see the Celtic Story when it was Green’s Playhouse, owned by Jimmy McGrory’s in-laws.

     

     

    Saw the Jam, the Clash, the Specials, the Who, Madness, Echo and the Bunnymen, the Stranglers, Devo, ra Polis before they peed me off, the Skids, Stiff Little Fingers. UB40, the Style Council, Siouxie & the Banshees ( who were rotten) at the Apollo.

     

     

    I regret not going to see Bob Marley in 1980 as it was a fiver a ticket. D’oh

     

     

    U2 , three times at the terrific Tiffany’s between October 1981 & March 1983.

     

     

    A great time to be in your late teens/early twenties for seeing bands.

     

     

    The three politicians who have been on our board, Reid, Wilson and Livingstone haven’t been the most popular with some of our support.

     

     

    Maribor, Ajax, the deid mob, the Northern Neds & maroon balloons have caused a lot of bother at Celtic Park in the past four years but all our board seem interested in is picking on our support.

  9. “I believe there is a momentum on the side of the YES vote which will see a comfortable win on Thursday?”

     

     

     

    Gg,

     

     

    Your media coverage must be a little more balanced than ours mate.

     

     

    Getting alarmingly biased.

  10. 67 European Cup Winners, 19:19;

     

    The problem is that the poor always get the stick whilst the rich and powerful the carrot; austerity benefit cuts compared to low taxes because of the risk of brain drain, huge focus on the scandal of benefit fraud when benefit levels no longer sustain a minimal standard of living, yet the far more fiscally significant issues of tax evasion/avoidance is either largely ignored or even surreptitiously condoned (getting one over on the man).

     

     

    Since this austerity period began the disparities in wealth have grown because the poor are disproprotionately paying for the crisis. If I had a vote I’d be under no illusion that a ‘yes’ will lead inexorably to some socialist utopia but I’d sincerely hope for progressive changes from a campaign with so much emphasis on social justice. If it doesn’t materialise then Scottish residents will have the opportunity to remove their own government…

  11. Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas on

    Tictaewin, bands doing medley’s of tarcks does my head in.

     

     

    People want to hear the whole song not a few lines from it.

     

     

    U2’e early stuff too good to shorten

  12. Nye Bevans' rebel soldier on

    the unthank road

     

    19:29 on

     

    15 September, 2014

     

    help needed

     

    Hi Guys

     

    I’m staying in Paisley on Thursday night. Where is a good place to see the game?Thanks.

     

    ______________________________________________________________________

     

     

    Wig and Pen,if your from the fundamentalist side of the family.

     

    Gabriels,if prawn sandwich is your thing.

  13. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    Nye bevins

     

     

    the unthank road is defo a fundamentalist.

     

     

    Enjoy your break G.

  14. Celticrollercoaster supporting Shay,our bhoy wonder along the way on

    !!Bada Bing!!

     

     

     

    19:28 on 15 September, 2014

     

     

    Tickets are name and photo free

     

     

    HH

     

     

    CRC

  15. Joe Filippis Haircut on

    Geordie Munro. It looks as though the Yes voters have the momentum but the only way we will know is on Friday morning when the votes have been counted. H.H.

  16. Dallas Dallas

     

     

    I have read your post about 4 times.

     

    Wow….just…….Wow…..

     

    Awesome bands there…respect

  17. Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on

    Don’t understand how any investigation into what two players said to each other can ever be resolved, one mans word against another, how does anyone prove anything ?

  18. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Dallas,

     

     

    saw most of those gigs too plus Roxy

     

     

    But the Apollo was a crap venue Stage was too high

     

     

    HH

  19. prestonpans bhoys dam justice for the 5 on

    Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire

     

    19:44 on

     

    15 September, 2014

     

     

    Exactly, the only way is visual evidence and I would have thought that the cameras would been used by now.

  20. ……stupid girlfriends I had 30 year ago….never wanted to go to rock concerts….what was I thinking about?…..should have jettisoned them…..

     

    Women!…… Bloody ruin us all so they dae………..

  21. Nye Bevans' rebel soldier on

    blantyretim is praying for the Knox family

     

     

    Hell mend him,he won’t see the count,those bhoys

     

    are rebelled up from start to finish.

  22. Joe Filippis Haircut on

    Neil canalamar. Of course Tonev is guilty half the ground heard his comments but by far the biggest sign of his guilt is he plays for Celtic. H.H.

  23. Frank Ryan's Whiskey on

    Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire

     

     

     

     

    19:44 on

     

     

    15 September, 2014

     

     

     

     

    Don’t understand how any investigation into what two players said to each other can ever be resolved, one mans word against another, how does anyone prove anything ?

     

    ==

     

    BBC Scotland painstakingly ensuring every second of game coverage is viewed by a lip reader. All in the name of justice and fair play of course.

  24. ....PFayr supports WeeOscar on

    Irving Welsh …ch4 news slabbering away ..live from his home in Chicago …wtf has it got to do with him ….

  25. Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas

     

     

    I guess I was at all of those gigs, what a place it was from the mid 70’s through to the mid 80’s, The Stiff Tour what a night, Television with Blondie! Joy Division backing up the Buzzcocks, legendary gig, legendary punters!

  26. Kilbowie Kelt will vote YES on

    Kojo,

     

     

    As the person who drew attention to your egrigiously RACIST posts on this hallowed site, it shocks me that you have the effrontery to revisit that subject.

     

     

    Whatever Tonev said in the heat of the moment pales into insignificance with what YOU have openly posted on this blog.

     

     

    Let me remind you of your view on inter racial unions ,..

     

     

    ‘ We should never cross Thoroughbreds with Plough Horses’.

     

     

    You are a disgrace to this site & to anywhere else that you propogate such filth.

  27. the unthank road on

    Nye Bev

     

    Thanks for that, the lady partner has been dragged to all sorts of dubious places!

     

    BT

     

    maybe you should get some prawn sandwiches in the menu in the knights???

     

    And I will get that Jura glass to you! honest!

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