After they hatched their plan to blackmail Scottish Football League clubs into voting Newco into the First Division, Stewart Regan, Neil Doncaster and David Longmuir might have paused to wonder what reaction they would receive.
You better believe they didn’t anticipate the reaction today from Clyde and Raith Rovers. Rovers chairman, Turnbull Hutton, told BBC Scotland’s Jim Spence, “If we are at the stage of bending rules and accommodating, threatening and blackmailing, we want to give it up.”
“Bending rules… threatening… blackmailing…we want to give it up”.
Hutton went on to suggest heads should roll at the SFL, SFA and SPL. He’s the first from within the football establishment to call for sackings but he’ll not be the last.
An extensive statement by Clyde FC concluded, “The papers include a proposal to allow a Newco to enter the 1st Division. This is contrary to the rules of the SFL and nothing within the papers justifies this proposal.”
Regan, Doncaster and Longmuir will now be contemplating that their bully-boy tactics will fail. SLF clubs will vote against their recommendations and SPL clubs will not stop promotion from the lower leagues based on merit. It looks like abject failure of leadership.
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stephbhoy on 30 June, 2012 at 19:52 said:
Why would theDiv3 clubs not beableto afford policing etc?
How do those same clubs manage to host Scottish Cup games against Oldco?
That point doesn’t hold water.
Bada Bing
It could be a damning piece of evidence or just throw away nonsense from King.
I was listening to it the other day and when Foxy_1888 brought it up I went to look for it again.
The old media will regret the day the invented the downloadable Podcast.
stephbhoy on 30 June, 2012 at 20:04 said:
A squad of 22 is too restricted, countries take more than that to a three week tournament.
A larger, perhaps restricted by the rules may be an idea, I haven’t thought about it before, merits discussion though.
Our first team squad may need trimmed, but it has areas that need strengthened.
Your point about Hearts Hibs etc not wanting to share gate money is a good one it depends how much more the gate money from Celtic Park gains them.
Murray wins first set 7-5
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on 30 June, 2012 at 19:58 said:
calm down man, i am sure that i read something in the rags a few days ago about 3rd division clubs struggling to host thems. i will not be looking through old papers to find it, am simply not that sad, so if your telling me thats not the case then we can go with that!!!!!!!!
the home club set the allocation to fans of other clubs so a worse case senario is that they allocate 300 away seats and sell the rest to the home fans, policing cost will only be an issue if clubs dont plan/ cost correctly and in the lower leagues thats all clubs do, they have no choice. p.s the police as it was police and charge for policing the ground they dont chage for arresting fans/ supporters once they have left the gound
Doc is Neil Lennon on 30 June, 2012 at 20:07 said:
why would that be?
Snake-As you well know when someone brings up something against their favourite team,they use the default position,defend , deny and dismiss the internet bampots.HH.
Paul, your lead articles jump about,
Yesterday youhad us believe that it was a fait accomplie that New Club would be shoe-horned into SFL1.
Today you realise that SFL1 wont have them.
It’s a MSM trick to always say you had it right.
Some of us were always confident that the story you floated was a non-starter.
So did you really believe that the plan was a sure thing?
And why believe them this time?
SFA/SFL just follow the rules.
I suspect it was Longmuir who produced the report on Thursday. I also suspect that a huge personal bonus was his motivation for trying to bully the SFL clubs into agreeing to his proposals.
When this gets to an end then Regan, Doncaster and Longmuir have to go.
stephbhoy on 30 June, 2012 at 20:15 said:
The gate money they make out ways the cost of policing.
Indeed the smaller clubs revel in those ties because of increases revenue.
Paul any comment on the tweets from @timomouse below
@timomouse
When considering the fairly regular exchange of personnel in the EPL, EBTs were bound to spread further.
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…Let’s just say, “FIFA” and “Ton of Bricks” come to mind.
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The ramifications of the head of the SFA allowing (and aiding!) financial doping to spread to clubs outside of their jurisdiction…
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Strathclyde’s finest may well need a little excursion to the Emirates to find out if anything was written down.
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And Whyte cutting that link gives them absolutely no reason not to share that information.
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Arsenal’s EBTs were reportedly suggested by Rangers themselves. Ironically, the Gunners have the nuclear information
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Rangers insiders were horrified about Whyte ending the Arsenal link as he did it without checking what information Arsenal had
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Because, Hint – The Rangers-Arsenal connection extended to other things than shares
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And all of the previous tweets would categorise an extremely difficult question for Campbell Ogilvie.
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…that is if the SFA knew about it and let it slide.
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But cross-FA financial doping would be looked on very seriously by FIFA. Scotland would be out of European and International competition
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Obviously, Arsenal could afford to pay EBT back taxes back (as Celtic did for Juninho), but Rangers couldn’t hence liquidation
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Because, if so, that would be cross-FA cheating and that would get Arsenal in a lot of trouble and would kill NewCo.
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Q: If Arsenal used EBTs as well, and Rangers had shares in Arsenal, was there an “accounting relationship” between the clubs?
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very interesting is what I say
Doc is Neil Lennon on 30 June, 2012 at 20:12 said:
i know its a little tight, but we can not afford 22 quality players so why do we have 35 players?
the most annoying thing for me is witnessing senior players being shifted all over the pitch because , well they are senior players, while young players who have played in x position all their life are left in the stand, madness when your spending 2 million on a youth system
Good evening CQN
The only list Canamalar is not on is the season ticket list. As for the wee spat the other night, I wouldn’t think Canamalar knew of my struggles, as for the analogy, It didn’t bear any resemblance to the alcoholism I know, so I can only assume he has no idea of alcoholism or what a sufferer goes through, it was IMO simply a poor analogy coincidentally used when abusing a real alky ;-)
Also it was a couple of days ago and can’t believe I come here and it is being discussed.
I have never tried to have anyone, never mind Canamalar banned from CQN.
That aside, I don’t view Canamalar as a real Celtic man, that is my opinion and like him I am entitled to it, I believe he is just a sad and arrogant individual who never seems to answer a question straight and always resorts to some form of aggressive behaviour, then tries to portray himself as some sort of victim. Again my opinion, but this blog is brought down with his manner when “debating” with anyone who doesn’t share his view. Someone contacted me after my spat with Canamalar, someone who does know his identity, and simply told me “not to worry, he’s just a wee d***”, I’ve yet to see anything from him that would contradict that statement.
I was more offended by the deluded fool accusation, but alas that was pretty accurate ;-))
I am big enough and ugly enough to sort my differences with Canamalar, Maybe we will if he ever goes to a game.
thanks & hh
bjmac
reilly1926 on 30 June, 2012 at 20:16 said:
I suspect it was Longmuir who produced the report on Thursday.
Tony McKelvie @TonyMcKelvie
As @BillyBhoy68 shrewdly notes, the Doc properties for the ‘SPFL Structures’ indicates it was drafted by SPL’s Lawyers & edited by Doncaster
I wondered if (and would still like to believe that) Longmuir leaked it in order to provoke a reaction from the fans and scupper the deal that way.
stephbohy,
no sure why the cam down comment is made, it was a simple question and request.
You cant seem to back up your assertions except by, “I’m sure I read it something”, which in effect means nothing. In fact, the lack of msm comment on this issue makes me suspicious and IMO backs up my assertion.
So when the inevitable rampage happens the 300 tickets will cover all the costs, nah dont think so.
Celtic have been preparing for financially leaner future.
The downturn in the economy did not catch us unawares.
We revamped our Youth department with Mc.Cart, Frail, etc. and have invested in it.
Within the next couple of years, Hooper, Kayal, Vic and Ki, will have moved on, to our financial benefit.
They will be replaced by the likes of M.cGeough, Watt, etc., plus other below the radar foreign prospects.
CQN newbie question:
Can someone explain the Canamalar thingy please
stephbhoy on 30 June, 2012 at 20:19 said:
The two thread of your arguement contradict each other there Steph.
The smaller the playing squad the more need for senior players being versatile and playing different positions. If ai were a professional player ai would look on being able(and trusted to) play in more than one position a bonus.
I don’t understand what makes you think Celtic can’t afford a first team squad of 35 or 45 if thats what Neil Lennon asked for. we live within our means, it’s been the policy for a while.
Snake Plissken, 19:57
Good work fella. More will come from this I’m sure, thanks
got my new black away top, long sleeve, with no sponsor…
im the coolest cat in town
B-)
stephbhoy on 30 June, 2012 at 20:13 said:
“the home club set the allocation to fans of other clubs so a worse case senario is that they allocate 300 away seats and sell the rest to the home fans, policing cost will only be an issue if clubs dont plan/ cost correctly and in the lower leagues thats all clubs do, they have no choice. p.s the police as it was police and charge for policing the ground they dont chage for arresting fans/ supporters once they have left the ground”
Playing catch-up and this reminded me that I meant to ask why Strathclyde Police voted yes to the Sevco CVA as creditors for £50+ thousand? Surely money owed to them is as much from the public purse as that of HMRC. The mind boggles at the levels of unethical behaviour everywhere these days. It is not difficult to see ourselves being corrupted into oblivion one day.
H H
So when was the last time a SFL 2 or 3 club, on drawing Celtic or Rangers in the Cup, said ” eh no thanks, we can’t afford the extra policing costs”?
Doc is Neil Lennon on 30 June, 2012 at 20:18 said:
‘The gate money they make out ways the cost of policing.
Indeed the smaller clubs revel in those ties because of increases revenue’ was the point i was making.
i am an honest tim, no need to lie, why would i bother, i only come on to the CQN to talk about celtic etc… not to get into serious debate, am not an investigative jurno
what inevitable rampage will happens? ranger do take 3000 fans to spl clubs every second week do they not?
Bhoylo83 on 30 June, 2012 at 20:28 said:
“got my new black away top, long sleeve, with no sponsor…
im the coolest cat in town”
Meeiow! They say a black cat across your path means good luck. Treble this season then.
H H
Obviously Paul67 cant be here all the time.
Would anyone else care to speculate why he ran a scare-story yesterday?
Im not really having a go. It seemed to help, as SFL1 clubs denied the story.
But I got the feeling that Paul ran the story to get a rise out of us.
stephbhoy on 30 June, 2012 at 20:30 said:
Doc is Neil Lennon on 30 June, 2012 at 20:18 said:
‘The gate money they make out ways the cost of policing.
Indeed the smaller clubs revel in those ties because of increases revenue’ was the point i was making.
i am an honest tim, no need to lie, why would i bother, i only come on to the CQN to talk about celtic etc… not to get into serious debate, am not an investigative jurno
what inevitable rampage will happens? ranger do take 3000 fans to spl clubs every second week do they not?
they used to :-) maybe it was only at our gaff they decided to wreck the place!!
Big G on 30 June, 2012 at 19:18 said:
From FF
The scum planning already for next season
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Dont worry about all that pash m8, they wont be playing any football anywhere 2012-2013
And if the do actually manage to get into the last chance saloon, we can have a laugh at them boxing with themselfs in the end up.
•-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on 30 June, 2012 at 20:22 said:
You might be right but I think that if Longmuir wanted to make a stand then he would have. I reckon it’s more probable that a more principled member of the SPL/SFL/SFA is sickened by what they’re trying to do and has leaked stuff to the STV boys and AT.
stephbhoy on 30 June, 2012 at 20:30 said:
Sorry mate I wasn’t having a go in any way, I enjoy a debate, you’ve raised some good points that I hadn’t thought of before. I hope I have done the same.
I did not question your honesty, really sorry if it seemed that I did.
As for the Hordes causing rampage, they will, but the cost will not fall to clubs, it will fall to society.
The Battered Bunnet on 30 June, 2012 at 17:34
Terrific…as usual.
stephbhoy-A friend of a friend was at the last CP derby game(remember them?),was with PL and Roy Hodgson at some point.Hodgson was staggered when told we had 48 full time pros.He advised PL it was far too many,and a squad of 26 should do.
Partizan,
I offered my opinion to your question this morning.
I’m on an i pad, so it is more difficult to trace back the time line.
However, if you remember when you posted, thenmy response is around there.
Partizan on 30 June, 2012 at 20:33 said:
Would anyone else care to speculate why he ran a scare-story yesterday?
Im not really having a go. It seemed to help, as SFL1 clubs denied the story
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I think you may have answered your own question there partizan.
It is my belief that Paul67 uses the site to ensure that the truth of what may be happening reaches as big an audience as possible. In that he has, and continues to have, a great deal of success. Now that the antennae of truly impartial investigative journos have been alerted to what passes for governance in the Scottish game, this site is, I have no doubt, one of the first places they come to in order to sniff the wind.
Well done Paul67, and everyone else on here that has helped to shine the torch of morality on the shady machinations of our corrupt administrators.
HH
@alextomo: @chrisw66 perhaps Monday. Potentially interesting story about C Ogilvie and some very, very key pals.
bjmac,
recognising the transfer of responsibilty is one of the most common self help lessons all addiction counsillors try to impart with their charges.
It helps them to recognise when they are falling into the selfabuse cycle again.
The drinking partner analogy is commonly identified.
I always answer qestions straigt to the point, never avoided one yet, I my have missed a few but never avoided.
But then you can maybe remind me what question I avouded during our tiff, if memory serves I answered all your questions in a reasonable maner, you obviously didnt like my answeres and got abusive, even when I offered the analogy you refused to address or question the analogy, your soul strategy was abuse, wch I though proved my point.
As I said to MWD I now regret using the analogy as it was easily twised to suit agenda, however it is and was pertinant.
I am also beginig to believe your reaction was down to recognition and a real source of cognitive dissonance, you have issues to deal with and I genuinly hope you overcome.
Good luck n hail hail
Arty
Heres hopin
Doc is Neil Lennon on 30 June, 2012 at 20:27 said:
we have won 1 of four titles against a very poor rangers with an army of av. player, give me 22 good players over 35/ 45 av. players thank you.
ask any player what position they play and they’ll all give you a position without having to think about it because just like asking what foot they use. your clearly happy to play second fiddle sl long as we have more players, i’d rather have better players
stephbhoy on 30 June, 2012 at 20:19 said
the most annoying thing for me is witnessing senior players being shifted all over the pitch because , well they are senior players, while young players who have played in x position all their life are left in the stand, madness when your spending 2 million on a youth system
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actually it’s not madness. some young players whilst having the ability dont have the confidence or temperament or at least not enough of it to be dependable enough in a competitive match. it has to be nurtured carefully.
Du Wei anyone.