Challenges to realising your investment in talent

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Like several wealthy English clubs, Manchester City harvest large numbers of players with talent and potential with the intention of adding the City brand to their CV before turning a profit on them.

They usually get two bites at the revenue cherry, once when they sell them and once when they pick up a portion of the subsequent fee when the player is sold by the club who does much of the development heavy lifting.  The latter part of this plan fell through for both City and Celtic when Dedryck Boyata left Glasgow out of contract in 2019.  Celtic were aware the player would not sign a new contract and recruited Marvin Compper in January 2018 to allow Boyata to leave for a fee the following summer.

Compper was an unmitigated flop and without options they had any faith in, Celtic rejected a £9m bid from West Ham, which resulted in a temporary withdrawal of services by the player and the horrors of a valuable Belgian international leaving without a fee.

City did better with the £4.5m fee they received from Celtic for Olivier Ntcham four years ago.  Olivier had stacks of potential but he failed to maintain a regular starting place at Celtic and was allowed to leave on loan in January.  It seems unlikely that a player struggling at Celtic would be successful at Marseille and the early signs are not promising.  He is very likely to pitch up at Lennoxtown in June without attracting a move to his native France and prepared to run down the final 12 months of his contract.

Despite these two poor examples, there is merit in scouring the development ranks of Europe’s largest clubs – his is how we found Odsonne Edouard, but even when the player is talented and successful, realising your investment when they inevitably leave is far from straightforward.

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  1. squire danaher on

    SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 4TH MARCH 2021 8:36 PM

     

    Squire D

     

     

     

    Aiden may not have had a Stellar career but after 6 full seasons of contribution to Celtic, he earned us our highest ever transfer fee, at that time.

     

     

    He had 4 seasons with Spartak where he must have felt alienated culturally and linguistically, before being bought by a top half EPL club in Everton, where he stayed for a further 4 years though out on loan for the last two. He was then bought by Sunderland, where he is still a regular pick. Meanwhile he was capped 95 times by the ROI.

     

     

     

    Not stellar, maybe, but far from a journeyman career and I think he is entitled to treat he ill -informed “one trick pony” jibes with the contempt they deserve.

     

     

     

    I well understand that many of your fellow party members felt it was unforgiveable that he chose to be appreciated by the ROI fanbase rather than face the vitriol of the Scottish National Team fans, though.

     

     

    ——

     

     

    Mr McGeady would obviously “treat with contempt” any appraisal which didn’t chime with his own inflated view of his own ability. Ask Mr Lennon and Mr Strachan.

     

     

    I really have to laugh though.

     

     

    People on here get accused of being devotees of a cult.

     

     

    You have never met me, barely exchanged views with me on here, yet you feel able to jump to conclusions about my supposed rationale for disputing McGeady’s contribution.

     

     

    And I’m a slave to a cult?

  2. Good morning cqn from a very, very cold Garngad

     

     

    So we move on to Utd of Dundee.

     

     

    Let’s get another win under our belt in preparation for the ugly mob coming to paradise.

     

     

    HH

     

     

    D :)

  3. !!Bada Bing!! on

    1% pay rise for NHS staff, truly shameful, about £3.50 a week, the price of a cup of coffee….

  4. Bada

     

    My coffee works out at about 10p a cup. Does that equate to a 350% rise?

     

    Only kidding. I am amazed at the 1%.

     

    I would have thought the Tories would know that this would be very unpopular at the moment.

  5. 31003 – truth be told, other than the Scottish players I mentioned, I haven’t seen anything more than clips when looking at this yesterday. The only football I watch these days is Celtic games. Obviously that limits the players I have seen so went for the research mode.

  6. Morning all.

     

     

    Hopefully get more than 15m for French Eddy.He is worth well more than that.Like many found him very frustrating this season.Obv took the huff and downed tools but his form previous to that proved to me what a star we have and also watching him score some fantastic goals with France U21s showed it too.

  7. MP’s are due a annual pay rise of £3,300. 4.1%, per the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority.

     

     

    Basic salary will be £85,291.

     

     

    That excludes the usual expenses gravy train.

     

     

    Another national disgrace.

  8. Gene

     

    My golf isn`t dailly.It is only on the days when I am not delivering The Socialist Worker or racing whippets.

  9. I know for some, `Exciting Cricket` is oxymoronic but this is another un-test like Test where 200 is a good score .

  10. I had more time than I thought but definitely off this time.

     

    Cheerio for now.

     

    `daily` !!

  11. Good morning CQN,

     

    The following is not football related but a request by SCIAF to write to your local MP regarding the proposed cut in International aid.

     

    If you have the time, please read and act as requested. Thanks in advance.

     

     

    Dear PMYTH,

     

     

    The UK Government wants to slash the aid budget during a global pandemic which threatens to push millions of people around the world into poverty.

     

    We make a positive difference through our aid budget by lifting up whole families and communities and tackling the root causes of injustice. It’s a small price to pay for building a just and green world.

     

    Pressure is building and you can help us stop the cuts by asking your local MP, Douglas Ross, to join the growing numbers of Conservative MPs speaking out in defence of UK aid.

     

    People around the world are counting on us to stand up for life-saving UK aid so here are three things you can to do help:

     

    1. Write to Your MP. You can use the template message below or, even better, write your own personal message.

     

    2. Post on social media. Let the world know you’ve written to your MP and tag them on your post so it grabs their attention.

     

    3. Tell your friends and family to email their MPs too. Every email and letter received by your MP makes them more likely to vote to protect aid.

     

    Please let me know when you get a reply from your MP and if you need any help to take part in the campaign.

     

    Thanks for standing with us,

     

     

    Jonathan McAveety
Senior Campaigns Officer

     

     

     

    Please use the template below and send your message to YOUR MP
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Dear **** ******* MP,

     

    As one of your constituents, I am writing to express my concern about the UK Government’s plans to reduce our international aid budget.

     

    I am proud of the huge impact the UK’s aid budget has on tackling the root causes of injustice and helping millions of people around the world to acquire the tools and skills to free themselves from poverty.

     

    It is very disappointing that the UK has chosen to cut aid during a global pandemic and when the government is set to host the G7 and COP 26 summits this year. At a time when the UK should be demonstrating global leadership on the major issues facing the world – coronavirus, climate change and the green recovery – cutting aid sends the wrong message.

     

    All politicians should keep their promises and you were elected on a manifesto commitment to maintain the 0.7 percent principle in December 2019.

     

    I urge you to speak out in favour of protecting our aid budget by writing to the Prime Minister, speaking out in Parliament and voting against any legislation which removes the legal commitment to spending 0.7% on aid. 

     

    I look forward to your response.

     

     

    Yours sincerely,

     

     

  12. On his game french eddy is a huge talent . But we haven’t seen much of that this season , most of it that he has played in he has looked disinterested and lazy , but still worth far more than £15 million . How in the name of god was his value allowed to depreciate to that figure . Unless a huge turn around is planned we will be second best to them for a while to come .

  13. Rolling_Stone on

    As others have pointed out, the examples cited are not evidence of poor recruitment but rather poor squad management. Both could have been sold for a healthy profit, had we had a proper scouting program in place where we constantly monitored opportunities in the market to replace them.

     

     

    Also (and like a lot of Paul’s articles) it continues to have a go (express or implied) at aspects of BR’s reign, i.e. two failures under his tenure.

     

     

    You are also pushing lines that stretch credibility:

     

     

    ‘Celtic were aware the player would not sign a new contract and recruited Marvin Compper in January 2018 to allow Boyata to leave for a fee the following summer’

     

     

    So our plan was to try and sell Boyata (27 at the time) for in region of circa £10m and replace him with Compper (33 at the time) for circa £1m?

     

     

    Is that our fabled money ball strategy or the fruition of the policy to ‘come out of every window stronger than we went in’?

     

     

    ‘Compper was an unmitigated flop and without options they had any faith in, Celtic rejected a £9m bid from West Ham…’

     

     

    Really? We had no faith in other options so we rejected the transfer? Hmm but we did sell Armstrong and replace him with Mulumbu (a free transfer whose last club was Kilmarnock) and lost Paddy Roberts and got in £300k Lewis Morgan from the Championship. We lost Dembele and didn’t even replace him.

     

     

    I enjoy the debate on here but the constant stream of board propaganda and laying blame everywhere but at the feet of the CEO and directors is ever so slight nauseating.

     

     

    A lot on here laughed at Sevco fans for being gullible (which they were (and remain)), but somehow find themselves sipping from the same springs of soothing half truths and deflection.

  14. Thursday 5th March 1981

     

     

     

    The Welfare sent for me today to inform me of my father being taken ill to hospital. Tried to get me to crawl for a special visit with my family. I was distressed about my father’s illness but relieved that he has been released from hospital. No matter what, I must continue.

     

    I had a threatening toothache today which worried me, but it is gone now.

     

     

    I’ve read Atkins’ statement in the Commons, Mar dheá! (Atkins pledged that the British government would not budge an inch on its intransigent position.) It does not annoy me because my mind was prepared for such things and I know I can expect more of such, right to the bitter end.

     

     

    I came across some verse in Kipling’s short stories; the extracts of verses before the stories are quite good. The one that I thought very good went like this:

     

     

    The earth gave up her dead that tide,

     

    Into our camp he came,

     

    And said his say, and went his way,

     

    And left our hearts aflame.

     

     

    Keep tally on the gun butt score,

     

    The vengeance we must take,

     

    When God shall bring full reckoning,

     

    For our dead comrade’s sake.

     

     

    ‘I hope not,’ said I to myself. But that hope was not even a hope, but a mere figure of speech. I have hope, indeed. All men must have hope and never lose heart. But my hope lies in the ultimate victory for my poor people. Is there any hope greater than that?

     

     

    I’m saying prayers — crawler! (and a last minute one, some would say). But I believe in God, and I’ll be presumptuous and say he and I are getting on well this weather.

     

     

    I can ignore the presence of food staring me straight in the face all the time. But I have this desire for brown wholemeal bread, butter, Dutch cheese and honey. Ha!! It is not damaging me, because, I think, ‘Well, human food can never keep a man alive forever,’ and I console myself with the fact that I’ll get a great feed up above (if I’m worthy).

     

     

    But then I’m struck by this awful thought that they don’t eat food up there. But if there’s something better than brown wholemeal bread, cheese and honey, etcetera, then it can’t be bad.

     

     

    The March winds are getting angry tonight, which reminds me that I’m twenty-seven on Monday. I must go, the road is just beginning, and tomorrow is another day. I am now 62 kgs and, in general, mentally and physically, I feel very good.

  15. CaddingtonCommon on

    According to the BBB C website the Huns are set to appeal the Morelos yellow card. I’m sure that appeals against yellows are not allowed ?

     

     

    Proposed 1% increase for NHS staff and yet a 13% poll increase for the Tori’s. How does that work out ?

  16. Rolling Stone,

     

     

    That’s the failures of the strategy in a nutshell. We generally wait until folk leave to replace them and then replacements aren’t good enough.

     

    With the headstart we had over 9 years, we ought to be in the position where we have the replacements already. So, for example, we expect Ajer and Eddy will leave this summer. So last summer (at the latest) we ought to have recruited a striker and defender who would be their natural replacements (having had a year to bed in) and this summer we’d be buying with an eye on who is leaving next year/the year after.

     

    Our replacements should already be here – I think we’ve only successfully done that twice and it was largely luck – Eddy replacing Dembele (though they were to play together I think) and rather late, Soro to replace Brown.

     

    We’ve been too reactive and now find ourselves not only not having replacements for Ajer and Eddy, but not having a back line or much up front at all when they leave

  17. CADDINGTONCOMMON on 5TH MARCH 2021 10:07 AM

     

     

    Apologies if my memory is serving me wrong but didn’t you post in support of the Tories at the last election as you would never vote for Labour under Corbyn?

  18. David 66

     

    BRRB is well, and taking a sabbatical due to being scunnered with current situation, and in fear of losing it… can entirely understand his viewpoint!

     

    🥴😊

     

    HH

  19. CaddingtonCommon on

    Frank Terry

     

    Never voted Tory in my life.

     

    My post was comparing the derisory pay offer to the NHS and yet the Tories achieve a huge increase in the polls. No logic to it

     

    Hail Hail

     

    Stay Safe

  20. CADDINGTONCOMMON on 5TH MARCH 2021 10:44 AM

     

     

    I unreservedly apologise, no offence intended. Take care and hail hail!

  21. !!Bada Bing!! on

    Rangers have written to the SFA and the Scottish government, asking for permission to allow fans into ibrox stadium to celebrate their first title win

     

     

    The request has been granted but the only fans that can gain entry are the fans that saved the club from liquidation

  22. Can anyone remember our points lead over rangers before they were deducted 15 points for going into administration?

  23. Aipple.

     

    Understood.

     

    We had a 4 point lead and they were deducted 10 points.

     

    Thanks.

  24. Rolling_Stone on

    Sevco have the 2nd highest league points lead in all of European football. Only bettered (by a point) by Young Boys in Switzerland.

     

     

    Given our form and remaining fixtures, it may end up being the highest.

     

     

    I guess COVID was just tougher on us than other teams…

  25. Have the five that decided to party been pulled up by the SFA or government yet, or are they waiting to win the title before taking any action. I’m thinking how Celtic were treated after Bolingoli and the Dubai fiasco, where they were castigated in all quarters, yet the other team have had no covid cases in an entire season?

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