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Dunfermline debacle caution ahead of Motherwell

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Do you remember the game after the Cluj Champions League debacle last August?  Of course you do, you are still chasing the cold from you bones, it was a League Cup encounter with Dunfermline at Celtic Park, where the Championship club took the game to extra time.  The game, the only domestic cup tie in 34 games we have not won in 90 minutes, was six minutes from going to penalties before James Forrest settled things.

I don’t know what happened in the dressing room between Cluj and Dunfermline but I cannot imagine it is a happier workplace this week.  This is Celtic and everything goes on the line every game.  Let’s not have a repeat of the Dunfermline performance.

I know a few Motherwell fans and they are unanimous in their praise of David Turnbull, their star 21-year-old midfielder who joined Celtic on a reported £3m deal yesterday.  Turnbull originally signed for Celtic in June last year, before failing a medical.  A knee operation, and the best part of a year in recuperation, saw him clinch his dream move yesterday.

The question now for the manager is, how does he shape his midfield?  Therein lies the answer to our season.

Welcome to Celtic, David.

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  1. Just noticed Aribo been ‘injured ‘ for a couple of weeks…..rumoured to have been in Spain recently…….

  2. Through the rain on

    …. And podium!

     

     

    Folk obviously even more fed up than me.

     

     

    Welcome DT…. You can be a Celtic great 👍

  3. Paul67 : The question now for the manager is, how does he shape his midfield?

     

     

    Me, me, me…..sir. I know this one :)

     

     

    Forrest Ntcham Callum Turnball

     

     

    Moi

     

     

    Ajeti Eddie

  4. JAMESGANG on 28TH AUGUST 2020 10:41 AM

     

    ‘Want away’ players – in this day and age, most players fit that description. In that, if they get the chance to earn more and play at a higher level, they’d like to do so.

     

     

     

    So Turnbull was a ‘want away’ at Motherwell.

     

     

    VVD was a ‘want away’ with us, and after a time, at Southampton.

     

     

     

    Few go out there to do or die for our cause.

     

     

     

    But Ntcham played well and professionally on Wednesday. So too did Ajer. And Christie showed no lack of commitment.

     

     

     

    The weakest link was NFL – his bizarre team lineup, has inability to flex tactically. And a post match meltdown of the type we gloat about when it’s delivered by Gerrard.

     

     

     

    HH jg

  5. JAMESGANG on 28TH AUGUST 2020 10:30 AM

     

    CHAIRBHOY on 28TH AUGUST 2020 5:24 AM

     

     

    JAMESGANG @ 11:27 PM,

     

     

     

     

    It always amazes me when, the considered and smart Celtic supporters get caught up and brain washed by the propoganda…

     

     

     

     

    From my recollection BR made a lot more comment about the way Celtic were officiated domestically. Him, Steve Clarke et al were the ones complaining about the officiating in Scottish Football matches at that time.

     

     

     

     

    In fact, so much so that a bunch of managers got together with the SFA and their officials for a summit, remember?

     

     

     

     

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46902736

     

     

     

     

    Lenny (then at Hibs) was voted as the representative of the managers, then Steve Clarke was given the Scotland job and Brendan Rodgers left and nought was done – it is now business as usual again.

     

     

     

     

    …”Much of the KT maltreatment took place under BR. But not all. And Celtic failed in their duty of care to protect him from over playing and hammer throwers.

     

     

     

     

    What makes you think Brendan Rodgers maltreated KT, not his style at all imo.

     

     

     

     

    As stated, BR made representations about the way Celtic players were officiated.

     

     

     

     

    For the best part of three months before Brendan Rodgers left he didn’t play Kieran. In fact Kieran needed serious treatment and an operation.

     

     

     

     

    However when Lenny came and took over from BR as caretaker it was him that played KT despite the medical conditions.

     

     

     

     

    Why? Did someone want Kieran in the shop window, obviously BR wasn’t prepared to do that.

     

     

     

     

    As usual, when looking at “the rhats” time – only the facts have changed to protect the guilty…

     

     

     

     

    Anyway once the 2018/19 season was over KT got his operation and did his recuperation with Arsenal who restored his career…

     

     

     

     

    Thank goodness for that young man’s sake.

     

     

     

     

    Can you remember the CQN leader at the time KT left – insinuating we might have sold Arsenal a pup? A pretty sad read in the light of where we are today.

     

     

     

     

    https://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/kt-medical-advice-player-hierarchy-being-ready-to-make-a-deal/

     

     

     

     

    I don’t know what his medical advice has been, but if you read about chronic osteitis pubis, you get an insight into where an athlete’s head may be when he has a persistent injury that is not responding as hoped…

     

     

     

     

    “Osteitis pubis is a painful degenerative condition of the pubic symphysis, surrounding soft tissues and tendons…. It is currently considered as one of the most debilitating pain syndromes for athletes. Although the condition is considered self-limiting, it often requires stoppage of sporting activities for several months, representing a significant problem especially for elite athletes.”

     

     

     

     

    …If we are serious about making progress as a football club, we need to take our player trading onto another level. That means everyone has a price and we should be ready with replacement options whenever a value offer arrives…

     

     

     

     

    At Celtic, we love our history more than any others do, but football is all about tomorrow. Time to get busy writing the next chapter.

     

     

     

     

    Hail Hail

     

     

     

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    Good morning.

     

     

    And thank you for your kind reply.

     

     

     

    Let me respond to your points in reverse order if I may.

     

     

     

    I thought the CQN leader about KT’s transfer was bitchy and bitter. The tone I’d expect from a jilted teenager, yet written by an adult about the future health and career of a young man who’d played his heart out for Celtic since he was a child.

     

     

     

    For my part as a poster, I was consistent from early in his career in saying he should have been blooded into the team, using Izzie to make up the remaining minutes.

     

     

     

    My j’accuse towards BR was principally the way in which he overplayed him, especially when he was carrying a knock. I’ve had an occasionally bad back for 30 years because I was too young and too keen to miss a big game. And that was for a team much less than Celtic!

     

     

     

    Imho the reason that BR didn’t play KT for 3 months was because he couldn’t. Because he’d broken him.

     

     

     

    Actually, for me the most disappointing allegation of all, is that his captain told him to suck it up and pop the pills/take the injection. Given how Broonie has been hirpled at times with long term injuries, that’s where the Celtic duty of care should have started.

     

     

     

    HH jg

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    BIG WAVY on 28TH AUGUST 2020 10:42 AM

     

     

    Question was how does not how should.I think you are spot on.

  7. Glad you think the midfield is the answer to our season

     

     

    The defence frightens me, with our strategy to reach 10

     

    Therein lies the biggest risk

  8. BIG WAVY on 28TH AUGUST 2020 10:22 AM

     

     

    In KT’s interview he also mentioned that he has been in direct contact with the Arsenal executives- they have offered to meet up, go for meals, and made sure to check that he is settling in well; all for a Scot living in London- hardly a culture change.

     

     

    He was then asked if he had a relationship with the Celtic executives. Long story short, nope! He said he wouldn’t even know how to address them, I.e. like a schoolboy.

     

     

    Makes you wonder what support was offered up to She’d, Soro etc and probably explains how the hell Boli can go Awol without anyone knowing where the hell he is.

     

     

    Again, for me it’s another example of our club living in the past. A board room of executives suited to running a club in the 80s. Completey detached from the team, archaic dinosaurs, with a pretty high opinion of themselves as well.

     

     

    We talk of Moneyball. That’s data driven. There is not a chance that’s what is happening behind the scenes at CP.

  9. The question now for the manager is, how does he shape his midfield? Therein lies the answer to our season.

     

     

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    Actually Paul, I’d argue sorting out front and back are still more pressing concerns.

     

     

    HH jg

  10. NORRIEM on 28TH AUGUST 2020 10:45 AM

     

    Glad you think the midfield is the answer to our season

     

     

    The defence frightens me, with our strategy to reach 10

     

    Therein lies the biggest risk

     

     

    Disagree. It’s the lack of structure mate. In every game we have played when a team has had a turnover against us it’s been the charge of the light brigade with a massive hole for the opposition to run through the middle.

     

     

    You could have Cannavarro and Maldini at CH. They’d still face that charge.

     

     

    We are shoehorning people in to accomodate favourites and have a mess in the middle.

  11. “The question now for the manager is, how does he shape his midfield?  Therein lies the answer to our season”

     

     

    Probably as he has done since the season started- by playing a 35 year old 3 times a week.

     

     

    3-5-2 was the main reason we kicked on last year and Lenny has ditched it. I thought after the anemic Kilmarnock performance that he might make the change, but maybe a CL 2nd round knockout might do the trick.

     

     

    Good to see Paul has moved on from the midweek shock. I Iook forward to the same article being produced next year- why bother considering further any systemic issues at the club.

  12. Neil this morning:

     

     

    “We want them to settle down. We want them to do what they do best. They’re great lads”.

     

     

    Contradicting himself from Wednesday. Says there was no agitation. Again a contradiction.

     

     

    Like an abusive stepdad who has now calmed down from his own irrational, toxic tirade. Not good. Not good at all.

  13. Lennon has also said this morning that French Eddy will not be fit this weekend but will be back AFTER the international break.

     

    Looking like there is a chance he has played his last game for us if the rumours are true.

     

    Hope not.

     

     

    However Neil Lennon has a team selection headache that he got miserably wrong on wednesday all over again this weekend.

     

    I am sure he will not make the same kind of mistake

  14. 3-5-2 you’d imagine will be the settled formation after the international break.

     

     

    A few players will go and some will come in.

     

     

    Ajer and Ntcham going doesn’t fill me with fear.

     

     

    Brown starting will become an issue though. His legs are gone and our defence is being exposed more because of that. If Soro doesn’t get game time this season, he never will.

  15. In KT’s interview he also mentioned when BR arrived the coaching and professionalism brought to the club was phenomenal , when our current manager came in he said Lenny is not a coach but a manager ,good speaker with the players , begs the question who is coaching the players and no wonder players want to move on to further their career’s with professionalism, we need to get our act together starting from the coach/manager and all the background staff that goes with it , forget jobs for the bhoys , and start acting and behaving like we mean it.

  16. He really has to start with Klamala or Ajeti and swap one with the other.

     

    I am sure he will.

     

    But we now know why we have continued to be linked with strikers in the last few weeks.

     

    Eddy is for the off and Griff is a long term gonner.

     

    The club really should have brought in someone who can just do a job to get us through this period

  17. BIG WAVY

     

     

    I agree it’s contradictory but at least it sounds as if a bit of dust has settled and calmed down. Better than a continuous rant in the press about certain players.

     

     

    His selection at in the week we all agree was horrendous. He can go a tiny, tiny way towards giving me a bit of hope if he learns from it and starts with Klimala or Ajeti.

     

     

    If he starts with Christie upfront again it would suggest blindness and stubbornness that will almost certainly derail the 10IAR bid.

  18. Just seen quotes attributed to Eddy’s agent, he’s going nowhere, and staying for the 10

  19. AN DÚN

     

     

    “Ajer and Ntcham going doesn’t fill me with fear.”

     

     

    Not if replacements are found. Those two leaving while we scramble around for young “projects” days before the window closes while the money sits in the bank petrifies me.

  20. !!BADA BING!! on 28TH AUGUST 2020 11:10 AM

     

     

    Lets face it..the only way that happens is if he signs a new deal which he has not.

     

    Other than that he is simply keeping things looking proffesional.

     

    If the right bid comes in [and it will] he will be off im afraid.

     

    I will thank him for his service and wish him well.

     

    Terrific player and a good servent.

  21. feel like I’m acting like Ivan toney agent or Barry Fry but if we don’t buy this player we will regret in.

     

    shouldn’t have bought kilmala or ajeti and bought him , maybe that will do a swop.

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  23. LAZYDYNAMITE

     

     

    I agree it has to be the “right” bid.

     

     

    I won’t blame the guy for leaving but would be disappointed if it was for one of the clubs linked – Villa, Palace, Newcastle, Leeds etc.

     

     

    I think he’d do well to stay here, score more, improve his reputation further and hold out for a club that can offer him CL football.

     

     

    Maybe Lyon might look to him to replace Dembele.

  24. GEEBEE1978 on 28TH AUGUST 2020 11:18 AM

     

     

    Of the clubs you mention I kind of agree..but Newcastle are a huge club of similar ilk to us.

     

    Someone like French Eddy could transform them to what they should be.

  25. Go tell the Spartim on

    Lenny will play all our midfielders in a new 4-7-0 formation ….. nothing would surprise you

     

     

    I see Jucojames stuff regurgitated – this was on Etims Twitter as was the following

     

     

     

    Brophessor

     

    @BrophessorDJB

     

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    19h

     

    Replying to

     

    @jucojames

     

    and

     

    @ETimsNet

     

    Honestly. What a lot of shite. Pseudo intellectual, semi informed guff put out with such authority. It’s amazing that Rangers’ well managed, analytical approach ended up 13 points behind last season. If only they’d read your tweets…

     

     

    If that I concur

     

     

    Bada saw that quote too, two things a) he’s here for the ten or b) he’s got a savvy agent saying the right things at the right time, or c) both of the above

  26. An Dun

     

     

    We should be building a midfield around Ntcham. We’ve also done something to Callum in there too which is not getting the best out of him.

  27. Paul67

     

     

    Doubt David Turnbull will be in the Celtic midfield on Sunday?

     

     

    Anyway, hope the grown up angry adults, body language and other experts calm doon in time to log in to Pass for Paradise where a good game against Euro experts Motherwell unfolds.

     

     

    Where does the Europa fit in with our commitments given that Neil is already on record as stating the CL was secondary before we lost to Ferencvaros?

     

     

    Shirley time to park the Europa, it gives Celtic nothing especially when we have VST are the club seriously going to expect many Celtic fans to shell out further for Virtual Europa games which are likely to be televised how does that work?

     

     

    A league is an inconvenience unless you have a chance of winning, there’s no revenue when there are no fans inside stadium which shouldn’t be anytime soon, or until there is a vaccine.

     

     

    Neil Lennon’s target is the 10 always was, and even more so now and its business as usual.

  28. BIG WAVY on 28TH AUGUST 2020 10:51 AM

     

    NORRIEM on 28TH AUGUST 2020 10:45 AM

     

     

    Glad you think the midfield is the answer to our season

     

    The defence frightens me, with our strategy to reach 10

     

    Therein lies the biggest risk

     

     

     

     

    Disagree. It’s the lack of structure mate. In every game we have played when a team has had a turnover against us it’s been the charge of the light brigade with a massive hole for the opposition to run through the middle

     

    You could have Cannavarro and Maldini at CH. They’d still face that charge.

     

    We are shoehorning people in to accomodate favourites and have a mess in the middle.

     

     

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    I agree with your comments Big Wavy

     

    But, and its a big but

     

     

    Is our left back, at the correct level to take us forward ?

     

    Maybe ok for FtSPFL

     

    Are our 2 centre backs strong enough ? ( we know one is itching to move on, the converted midfielder)

     

    Fed up seeing them bullied by journeymen of FtSPFL

     

    Who backs up our 2 centre Halfs, in a crucial season ???

     

    Who is our Right back ?

     

    The flying machine Frimpong or Elhamed ??

     

     

    That area needs urgent attention

     

    PS – watch our defence and see the huge gaps, better still watch the Hungarians first goal, and see our defensive structure

     

    Shocking

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