We had a family conversation this will about the most effective Celtic players we have seen for each position, not necessarily the best there.
I went straight to Alan Thompson. Alan was a hard left-mid when he arrived from Aston Villa in 2000, who became a wing-back under Martin O’Neill. His contribution to that successful Celtic team is incredible. The winner against Barcelona, Champions League goals and so many against Rangers, tell a story, as do his assists.
He was loved by his manager and capped by England while at Celtic. Still, he had limits. He was slow to recover fitness after injury and did not have the finess of a McStay or Collins, not everyone “got it”.
David Turnbull is a different type of player but I see parallels. He is also a player managers rate. Lots more to come from David.
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Mick Lynch at it again – love him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG6N4xC3c2w
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“Your comments about CB’s are particularly cringeworthy.
The alternative response might be that the players themselves aren’t good enough.”
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That IS an alternative speculation- it adds no facts or evidence in support- you could just as easily assert that CB’s develop and gain first team experience at an earlier age than other positions. If the Trumpian view is followed then reason and rational need not matter and the violently and volubly asserted opinion is the one that holds then debate becomes impssible.
If you have not noted that CB (and goalkeepers) develop generally later, peak later and last longer than other positions then I am afraid you are going to have to brook disagreement and get presented with some facts.
Here’s a quick starter as I won’t be aback on the blog for a few hours
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/blog/tactics-and-analysis/67/post/3056495/soccer-age-curves-show-goalkeepers-and-central-defenders-peak-latest
SFTB @ excuse central
No matter what facts are put in front of you — you reach out for the Ladybird Book of Excuses.
U18’s were honking last year — and they were.
The easiest viewpoint would be that they were not very good or not well coached.
You go into your Jumbo book of excuses to find out the old chestnut — we were playing younger / underaged players and that was the reason for the poor results.
No evidence provided — not even reasoned supposition — just excuses.
No thought given to why the club would continue to play younger players given their lack of results — just a case that it suits your narrative rather than a more mainstream explanation which I have put forward.
And on it goes — facts against you / drown them in spurious detail.
We keep going — but you are just wasting your time writing it.
Football is a results based game and your viewpoint is at the bottom of the table..
SFTB @ 1.48
The ESPN is very one dimensional.
Conflating the reasons for older GK vs older CB’s.
One is experience / the other is mobility.
Not the full story but it drives the 1D umbers ESPN were discussing.
It only deals with the age of players in a specific position it does not deal with their full careers.
Therefore the age of CB’s might be high but that does not include their full career.
Age slows people down — speed is less important at CB than FB.
CB’s can be old FB’s.
LH — now at LU — He was a CB with us.
Now plays at LB for the LU first team / has played CB for the LU youths.
He will then be older when he reverts to CB but has had a longer career than any CB focused analysis would suggest.
Evidence — TB of CTV infamy started at LB and then moved to CB.
DW — 1988 vintage — started at LB and then moved to CB when AR turned up.
As noted earlier your assertion is crap and the ESPN analysis is poor / limited.
Each to their own.
Can any of the guys who finished in the top 3 of our Superbru competition at Christmas time last season contact me on the Superbru banter site so that I can ask a quick question. The end of season winners do not need to contact me
MM
no time to get into this just now but….
1) rejecting the ESPN researched angle you are just using the same lines used to refute the smoking/cancer link and global warming i.e.
“I knew a 90 year old who smoked 40 woodbine a day”
“It was hot in 1976”
Contrary anomalies do not undermine trend evidence.
Guys generally stop playing sports around 40 or so (golf is not a sport) – you’ld be as well saying that the 40 and 50 year olds are just not good enough rather than admit age is a relevant detail applicable to sport.
P.S. In a post where I admitted to knowing little about the under 18’s you have stated, without providing contrary evidence, that it is excuse making. You also ignore and drop the inconvenient evidence you were offered about the B team which totally refutes the original assertion that last nights B team were last year’s under 18’s. They clearly were not – they were largely last years B team.
I fear we are back to saying a team is strengthened because one unused sub is better than another. I may have to look elsewhere for grown up debate
SFTB @ 2.26
You really are struggling now.
All over the place with waffle and no answers.
If you get things wrong — just admit it and move on.
Hi Guys
I will be setting up my Superbru Predictor account again this season. All of last year’s participants have been notified and some have re-joined already. Everyone is welcome. There will be a participation fee for those involved in the fundraising competition and I will announce costs and prizes very soon. I am thinking of using a July- December set of prizes and a January to May competition following on from this. I am suggesting a £15 entry for each of the two halves of the competition, making £30 in total. People can enter for one, both or neither halves of the competition but only those who have paid in will be eligible for the prize pay outs. You can pay the £30 up front or pay £15 now and pay £15 again in January or opt out then.
We will pay out, determined by how much we take in, with the following prizes
Aug-Dec Prize money for 1st, 2nd and 3rd places in the tableAug-May (inclusive) money for 1st, 2nd and 3rd plus a prize for the highest weekly score obtained. We even offer a wooden spoon for whoever finished last (someone will need to remind me who I owe this to for last year).
Around 60% + of the money we raise will be paid directly to charitable causes, we used a local Glasgow charity helping people in financial difficulty last year). We will use the WalkwithShay account again for donations or entry fees. This will be administered by Marc (Celticrollercoaster) to provide independent scrutiny. I will submit details of this soon.
You can enter if you register with Superbru and elect to join the CQN Sentinels pool. The pool code is paysgoon
I look forward to old and new joining in again. If you have any suggestions as to how to improve the competition, please let me know. I will communicate more details shortly. Thanks for your continued support.
Tony (SFTB)
ernie lynch on 27th July 2022 11:58 am
SCULLYBHOY on 27TH JULY 2022 11:39 AM
Have you ever heard tell of the logical fallacy of false equivalence?
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Does it refer to the concept of Nationalism as used in Ireland and Scotland? I remember you explaining it thus – nationalists in the North of Ireland are entitled to seek independence because they live on an island, but nationalists in Scotland are not entitled to do the same because they are only a part of an island? Well, every day is a learning day. So forgive me for misunderstanding nationalism, as I am very much a nationalist with a small n and I have no real interest in the debate in Scotland.
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If anyone else is looking for a good fund raising initiative- there is a cinch Fantasy football league site where you can pick 11 SPFL players and 5 subs to earn points- you can form your own league there and control the invites- As with Superbru- the points will be updated for you. Just putting that out if anyone has the time to do it.
I only caught the 2nd half of the Norwich game on Saturday on TV. I was surprised to see a few comments praising Jenz over Mooy- that was not how I saw it.
I saw Jenz make an early saving tackle but I also saw him not get close enough to Blok out shots on more than one occasion. Mooy impressed me as good at finding space- being available for a relieving pass from a player under pressure and able to find space at the edge of the box to get shots in.
It’s too early to be definitive but I have a feeling that, barring a flurry of CB injuries, Mooy will be more influential in this season’s team than Jenz.
I wouldn’t like to predict who would do best between O’Riley and Turnbull as both have started on fire so far.
Starmer has just sacked his junior transport secretary for supporting the strike. My Party membership has not been renewed as yet and this could finish me as a member under this leadership
sftb
For “making unauthorised media appearances”.
To put a spin on it…..
Any party that does not tolerate a level of dissent and tries the Thatcherite approach to appearing strong, by sacking the underlings, is a weak and fragile coalition.
I have moderate centre-left stances on most things. I understand that in order to wield power to good effect you have to be electable but……………… policy decisions from Central Office……… disseminated as orders because opinion polls show it to be temporarily unpopular…….. will lead to a party governed by changing whim and fashion. I refuse to believe that even a majority of the Cabinet, far less the parliamentary party, far less the party itself, feel that Sam Tarry, whose existence I was unaware of, deserves to be sacked. this is about trying to make Keir look like a strong man. It would be a better look if he looked like a decent man who knows he is a leader, not a ruler.
I remain a Labour Party supporter, but not a member, so that I am free to criticise where it is merited.
The SNP could do with people willing to tackle top down decision making too.
Nothing wrong with Starmer,saying that MPs are free to support who they want,working class have been abandoned by the Labour Party
How’s this for a non-statement?
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11781/12660173/police-close-investigation-into-sectarian-anti-catholic-singing-by-rangers-fans
Bodo pump Linfield 8-0
SFTB- the final standard paragraph, is obviously a joke….
Top guy from Network Rail has just admitted on C4 News, the 8% offer over 3 years,is a pay cut…….can see him getting removed….
Some on here sticking up for the sun 🤦♂️
I feel the same sftb
SCULLYBHOY on 27TH JULY 2022 3:52 PM
“Scotland is part of an island”
In my opinion,WRONG
Scotland is a “Penisula” with a boil stuck to its arse