Newco chairman, Dave King, this evening issued a remarkable statement. Not for the first time he referenced Celtic, but on this occasion, he became the first person inside the game to put the Stripping of Titles Rangers won during their EBT and DOS years on the table.
His statement also blankly contradicted an earlier statement he made, when he asserted, “I follow the logic of the argument that if we lose the tax case then we probably gained some competitive advantage.”
With the tax case lost, and many fair-minded agreeing with his earlier sentiment and calling for titles to be stripped, however, today King said:
“Whether the scheme was in place or not, or whether it survived tax scrutiny or not, made no difference whatsoever to the playing squad of the Club during that period and hence had no impact on the performance on the pitch.”
That’s:
“If we lose the tax case then we probably gained some competitive advantage.”
Followed by:
“Had no impact on the performance on the pitch.”
“Competitive advantage.”
“No impact on the performance.”
In 2012 he even issued an apology and suggested “commercial reparation to the other clubs” was in order.
“Reparation” because “if we lose the tax case” we “gained some competitive advantage”.
In five years he moved from saying Rangers gained a competitive advantage because of the illegal EBT use, and commercial reparations to other clubs was due, to denying any wrongdoing whatsoever.
He should also have read the Celtic statement more carefully. King today said Celtic, “have attempted to influence the footballing authorities to alter its historic football honours”.
Celtic’s statement called merely for a review, “We are sure now that the footballing authorities in Scotland will wish to review this matter. Celtic awaits the outcome of their review.”
The altering of football honours issue was not put on the table by our club – you can thank Dave King for that thought provoking notion.
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SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX
Aye it also reminded me that I deleted my back up in a mad OCD space obsession recently, time to get on that for me as well!
Hail Hail
BABASONICOS71
It’s pretty simple for me they get what’s coming to them or the game is officially dead in Scotland..
This cannot stand!
Justice for Fitbaw
DALLASDALLAS
I was just the right age to appreciate Steve Murray. A fantastic player who Jock had long coveted.
Think I’ve mentioned it before,but I recall an article in summat like Shoot or The Topical Times-ask yer Dad,you young yins!-where he said he was the first to play in white boots before Alan Ball got the deal for them.
One game I particularly remember an outstanding display from him,a very good Hibs side-inc Pat Stanton,of course-turned up at CP challenging for the title.
Not after a 5-0 drubbing,they weren’t.
He was as much a loss to us at that time as George Connelly and David Hay. Just for a bliddy toe injury.
STARRY…
If anything happens it’ll be down to supporters not any club/board.
Folk justice for fitbaw.
BABASONICOS71
I’m dusting off my folk corduroys as we speak:))
Celtic have to drive the bus in my opinion..
Get on the bus The Magic Bus:))
Remember 4 years ago when sevco used to train like this? Maybe they should go back to it to improve dressing room harmony, lol.
https://s18.postimg.org/6he9j516x/IMG_0074.jpg
POGMATHONYAHUN
Were they singing Ringoring of Proddies?
Doubt they’d manage that now.
https://twitter.com/stvraman/status/883764035086409734
Hopefully….
If Ntcham signs up it would add to the already big list of CMs we have. Brown,Armstrong, Kouassi,McGregor,Biton,Rogic, Henderson,Christie and Allan are on loan for the season and apparently RC has been told he still has a chance with us.
It will be interesting to see how Rodgers shapes the midfield if we get this guy in…
Phil is making an excellent point about indemnities on his latest blog
https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/07/09/why-cheating-must-be-punished-if-sport-is-to-survive/#comment-8634
I have added this (still to be moderated) comment
Without an indemnity would those players with one have played?
Why if they wanted a tax free salary of say £10K at 40% tax were the not offered in the region of £14K PLUS (to cover the tax on the extra £4k) ? Why was that extra £4k+ not offered as DK is suggesting but an indemnity was offered instead?
Was at least one player not told it was payment by ebt or no deal?
Boumsong would have preferred payment by normal means and only found out payment was by ebt at the last minute. Rather than up the offer to cover the tax he was given an indemnity.
Without indemnities, that made the ebts RFC used unlawful, would those players have been on the park?
Players saying they won trophies fair an square would not have been there but for the taxpayers money that put them there and they insisted on a tax payer funded pay top up by asking or taking an indemnity.
Its the greed that kills you.
DBHOY
Gonna be murder trying to pick the first goalscorer when we’re not confident of the lineup.
Ach,I’ll just go for Moussa. Or Leigh,depending who’s selected.
Or play safe,Sinky.
Btw,he’s the oldest looking 21yo I’ve ever seen.
AULDHEID
Watereus,the goalie who covered for Klos in 2005,is on record that his deal included EBTs,otherwise it was no deal.
No option offered.
I recall an article from Artur Numan about 2003 where he explained that he had decided to retire as his new contract had reduced from £40k pw to half that.
Draw your own conclusions,apart from being hugely overpaid.
Can anyone help me , which players have left Celtic and who have gone on loan ?
BMCW
He’s a big strong boy alright.
I’ve been reading up on him and he sounds like a player destined for big things, would be a great signing to get in.
HH
DBHOY
I wouldnae spill his pint,that’s for sure!
DB
Janko’s left.
Christie,Allan are on loan.
That’s all I’m aware of
DB
Cheers, thought it was more than that.Someone was saying cheerio to Bailly dont know why.
DESSYBHOY on 9TH JULY 2017 3:43 PM
Can anyone help me , which players have left Celtic and who have gone on loan ?
By my reckoning …
Transfers out
Efe Ambrose to Hibs
Eoghan O’Connell to Bury
Josh Kerr to Brighton
Theo Archibald to Brentford
Paul McMullen to Dundee Utd
Fiacre Kelleher to Oxford
Saidy Janko to St Etienne
Loans out
Scott Allan to Dundee July 2018
Ryan Christie to Aberdeen July 2018
Jamie Lindsay to Ross County July 2018
Released
Kolo Toure End of contract
Kris Commons End of contract
Aiden McIlduff End of contract
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 9th July 2017 3:43 pm
AULDHEID
Watereus,the goalie who covered for Klos in 2005,is on record that his deal included EBTs,otherwise it was no deal.
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Cheers might come in useful.
Olivier sounds, by all accounts, like he is top drawer.
It begs the question. Why Us?
Hopefully it is due to the Brendan factor and Celtic’s growing reputation as a finishing school for promising players.
Surely the news that he was done for driving in Italy without a licence has not labelled him “a bad boy” ! : > )
SFTB.
If you are still having Mac problems, maybe BSR can help, once he sobers up!!
DB
Looks like I missed a few there!
Bit of a understatement I know :)
Chairbhoy on 9th July 2017 9:26 am and Ron Bacardi
The idea of clarifying the same club myth using UEFA Article 12 as a solution was suggested to Celtic a few months ago.
Its an idea that might still surface.
Afternoon chaps
Didn’t know you the shamrock rovers game yesterday but I understand that rovers put out a young reserve teams. Understandable as they won a tough Europa qualifier on Thursday last and have another ones next Thursday. Pity though.
Had some problems recently with my phone and have lost a lot of numbers that were saved to it. Could any CQNers who have my number send me a text or a watsaapp message so I could re save them.
Didn’t know you the shamrock rovers game yesterday but I
Should read…didnt get to the shamrock rovers game
Great article by Phil… https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/07/09/why-cheating-must-be-punished-if-sport-is-to-survive/#comment-8634 expertly and simply put.
This Must be distributed to every Fan Club and supporter in the Country. It just hits the nail on the head.
A wee note to Hamiltontim and Minx
Had such a wonderful time at your wedding, would be hard pushed to find a couple who smiled and engaged with their guests so much it was truly a celebration.
Good to catch up with so many cqners and their better halves :-)))
and a word of advice to all……don’t drink to 4am with ACGR it’ll catch u with you the next day.
HH
There should be a national outcry that the cheating of the game has been confirmed.
This is the type of genuine scandal that attracts the attention of the Government, government ministers and the media.
It is a scandal in itself that it, as yet, has not to the cataclysmic degree it deserves.
Enlightened Scotland?
Scotland’s shame.
DB
Good effort I would say
Celtic will be capturing one of the most exciting talents in world football when they complete the signing of Olivier Ntcham, according to his former manager at Genoa.
The French playmaker is on the verge of completing a deal to move to Brendan Rodgers ‘ side and could become their marquee signing of the summer.
Ntcham spent the past two seasons on loan to Serie A side Genoa and he left a huge impression on experienced manager Andrea Mandorlini, who was in charge of the Stadio Luigi Ferraris outfit last term
And he was full of praise for the 21-year-old Manchester City midfielder.
Celtic target Oliver Ntcham arriving at the Blythswood Hotel (Image: SNS Group)
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Mandorlini said: “Olivier is only a young boy – he has incredible potential and it’s clear he will be a star.
“He has extraordinary talent.
“I have the highest regard for his talent. He’s had to work hard this season and there is a lot more to come from him.
“He is a kid who is very, very comfortable on the ball. He scored a really important goal for me last season against Bologna in injury time when he came on as a sub.
Olivier Ntcham in action with Genoa
“He works hard and he is a happy person – he’s good to be around.
“I always feel when he plays well, the whole team plays well.
“Above all, he has shown a willingness to listen and improve. He has a big future in football if he keeps progressing.”
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Ntcham moved to the Etihad Stadium club from Le Havre in a £1m deal as a 16-year-old in 2012.
He then signed a five-year deal in 2015, before being shipped out to Genoa on loan. Ntcham made over 40 appearances for Genoa, scoring three goals.
Embramike
Excellent, cheers 10 out ,few quid in wages saved there for people not in the plans,Josh Kerr to an EPL team is obviously a great opportunity for the lad wonder what they saw Celtic didn’t?
Keevins wants a full investigation and if titles and cups have to be taken from them then they must.
DESSYBHOY on 9TH JULY 2017 4:33 PM
I think the boy saw the move as the best way to get first team football.
He was a wee bit down the list for the first team, Ajer possibly being above him.
No reflection on Celtic, but credit to the lad for his ambition.
TTT
You cant fault him if he is not getting a chance or is in the plans, hope it goes well for him. I wonder how clubs make these decisions does it come down to someones opinion or is it more scientific?
JUDE2005 IS NEIL LENNON \O/
He’s a contrary auld bugger:))
Surprised CSC
Afternoon
Fed up with the Hun talk. Title stripping – essential. Debunking same club myth- essential. Sevconia Delenda Est.
Nice to see mention of Stevie Murray – I mind seeing him play for Dundee in a cup semi final in 1970 and my dad saying we should sign him. A beautiful player – his early retirement is perhaps less remembered than George Connelly’s downfall or the calamity which befell Brian McLaughlin but he was a smashing player of a type who would thrive now
And yet I missed the pinnacle of his career when he scored v Basle. As my mum was at the game we had to go to the stand. The bloke right in front of me dropped his fag on himself in the move leading up to the final header and stands up in panic trying to put out the fire on his coat and I cannot see a thing. So my mum and dad saw the goal but I did not. Lucky white heather?
Jimbo67
Sevconia delenda est. Absolutely. Was it Scipio who used to demand that of ole Carthage?
Parkheadcumsalford
I hate to say it but Macjay may well be yer man to confirm that! I just know some senator used to proclaim it in the Senate every day during the Punic Wars. Quite impressed I can remember they were called the Punic Wars. Unless I am wrong.
Jimbo67
Celtic made a statement on Wednesday after the verdict and since then there has been a lot written and spoken. However we are none the wiser as to how this will play out. If Celtic are serious about taking this forward, there is a way we can heap the pressure on the authorities whilst clarifying our position. If we were to realise another statement that says simply,
‘Further to our previous statement last week, we wish to clarify our position after some erroneous reporting and misrepresentations. We expressed surprise that the previous enquiry arrived at the conclusion that no sporting advantage had taken place. In our view we expected the authorities to look at the matter again in light of the Supreme Court decision.
However, given the response from our own supporters and those across Scotland and in light of the statement from the SFA which we feel is inadequate, we now feel it is imperative that a full, independent and transparent investigation takes place to ensure all supporters have confidence in our game. We would not wish to prejudice any new enquiry however we would add that new evidence in various forms has come to light since the original enquiry.’
That way authorities would be boxed into a corner they would find it very difficult to get out of.