I’m told by a broadcast journalist friend that Jim Traynor, of PR company Level5, started Newco Rangers broadcast media conference yesterday with a warning to journalists that discussion about title stripping was off limits.
The law was that if manager Mark Warburton was asked about the proposed sanction for Oldco Rangers financial doping the conference would be stopped.
Say what you like about journalists, but they regard being told what to ask, or not to ask, as a line in the sand issue. Traynor, a journalist for decades, should have known better than to make such a rookie mistake.
He was told that attempts to subvert discussion about Oldco being stripped of titles is not something that would be accommodated. By the broadcast media, anyway.
Warburton was subsequently asked about title stripping and although he was happy to answer, I’m told, this angered the would-be news-denier, whereupon he “lost his temper”.
Post-conference there was a bit of chat about how they would be able to appropriately report on less-partisan issues, like the Level5 PR-controlled Ladbrokes SPFL, although there was a consensus that “He’ll fall out with everyone soon enough. He always does”.
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Billy Bhoy, I’d love to see Efe tried in that role but I after Thursday I have developed an aversion to Blackett. I’d prefer Lustig moving into the centre if Janko is available.
melbourne mick.
Stephano is asleep.big day on the scaffold in the morning.Been reading some of the comments.Disappointed I couldn’t slag any of them.It would be great to have 2 or 3 of them in our current team.Anyway i still l;ove our team, always have always will. C’mon troops get yer teams in. You will love our prize winning T shirt
Bada…
In our household a “A Greyfriar’s ” was used as a handy euphemism for that job
one does in the smallest room in the hooose………
Davy’s use of the word in this case is apt!
:)
HH
Happy 52nd Birthday The Token Tim
Love
Billy Bhoy
was wondering if it would be right on young Tierney to play him midfield today with Izzy behind and Armstrong in front.
Is Cole fit? Probably not a day to experiment to much but was thinking Cole with Griffiths supporting.
Don’t know fitness but Janko in if fit. Lustig and Boyoata CBS for back four.
Armstrong Tierney Bitton Rogic?
Och I’ll leave it to Ronnie.
Just before I open a bottle of white:
I don’t care about EBTs or Tainted Titles – I shed my tears like may on here when we lost to them
But its enough for me to know that I can look any of them in the eye and smile
I know they are corrupt, they know they are corrupt, the world knows they are corrupt
I always felt we are the good guys – not its confirmed we are the good guys
67ECW
67 European cup winners. Ronny won the SPL and the League cup in his first season and was cheated out of the Scottish cup.Currently we are top of the SPL and still in the remaining domestic cups In my opinion that is not bad at all for a new manager. I have to accept we have not been good in Europe but we have not really been great in Europe apart from odd matches for a while now.You say you dont trust Ronny to get us into the CL group stages next season but fail to mention who you think would ? When Ronny gets a full squad without injury you will see a different Celtic and our back four will improve. In Ronny and Peter I trust. H.H.
TD67
If it was a Board meeting not all clubs would be represented.
I’d need to confirm but I think there are 5 clubs on Board plus Chairman and Doncaster.
Separately an ex pro with connections reckons around 7 clubs want action but don’t know how many contacted.
If you haven’t already done so, please consider writing to Celtic about the cheating.
Tell them what you feel and what should happen, crucially, if you are of a mind, let Celtic know what you think our club could do.
Yesterday, I’d posted similar but was waylaid by some “let’s boycott Celtic if they don’t do….” suggestions.
In no shape or form do I think we should harm our club.
Keep things constructive, show in your communication the level of support you bring and how your request for Celtic to take this forward is positive and will have your full support.
You can contact Celtic through whichever means you chose, but perhaps the SLO would be a starting point:
jptaylor@celticfc.co.uk
I know the MSM is an anathema to many on CQN, but sometimes you can’t choose your weapon ! Call them; write to them; challenge and ridicule their endorsement of cheats and cheating.
SILENCE WILL NOT DO.
Good Afternoon.
A couple of short new pieces.
One jokey one about restricting the hours that Bampots can do their thing, following remarks from Keith Jackson.
https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2015/11/08/the-bampots-curfew/
And another about a job interview…
https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2015/11/07/the-job-interview/
3 points and no messing about this afternoon, please!
Dessybhoy
I think getting ALL the evidence on the table is the aim of any enquiry.
The SPFL Board knew last year of the Details Boer side letter and HMRC letter that was never supplied by RFC in Administration in March 2012.
They also would know of the consequences if Harper MacLeod had shown them the correspondence with SFM.
Their was silence which might have been correct waiting for HMRC to stop appealing.
Beware if ur with Talk Talk thers a scam goin on. Offering £250 compensation for the hacking scandal then they wil mt ur account
“Big-Cup-Winners”
Absolutely spot on. Here is the letter I sent.
https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2015/11/06/a-letter-to-peter-lawwell/
BRTH
November 6th @7.05pm
Fantastic!
Not sure who’s fit but would like to see changes in formation and personnel.
Gordon
Janko Lustig Ambrose Tierney
Allan Bitton Armstrong
GMS Griffiths Nesbitt
Sub Bailly Boyata Izzy Ciftci Johansen Forrest Rogic
TD and Burnley 78
Your comments are appreciated.
67ECW
Your respectful tone is appreciated and I have no problem with the conclusion you reach based on our Euro record.
I would only take issue with one of your comments, namely:-
“We have not met but i would bet that you could win the league as Celtic manager”
This is nonsense, I am afraid. The only way we would win the league with me as manager is if the players just paid lip-service to what ever nonsense I uttered and, instead took their league from senior players who would talk more sense- a situation, I beleive existed for a brief period when Jock Stein was playing for us and spoke more sense than Bob Kelly did.
You need some face validity to manage senior and seasoned professional players. Whether they are fierce competitive winners or overpaid prima donnas- these guys will be volatile to handle and will challenge your views and opinions in various ways. You need a face validity to get them to even tolerate listening to your opinion- either a competent playing record (or you will get a “show us your medals!” retort) or a record of prior managerial achievment.
I was and am a poor footballer- nowhere near the level of the biggest diddy in the Celtic squad. My football managerial background exists in being a coach with a successful Development League club for 7 and unders until they reached 12 when I handed over responsibility to a guy with a better football background. I understand coaching but my expertise is in other sports. I could run a hum-drum set of football drills easily but i could not impart tactical knowledge to players who already know a lot more than me. These football players could buy and sell most of us when it comes to understanding and knowing how to play football. Many of them could not coach successfully though and the loudest mouthed pundits (with the exception of McNee, Keevins and Adrian Durham) are usually ex-pros who never tested themselves in management or who failed at the first hurdle (Yes, Mr. Sutton- the shoe fits).
There is no false modesty in this. Neither I nor 95% plus of the people who post here have the football credibility to run a club even at Div.3 SPFL level. There are probably a few people on here who have played at a decent enough level and who may have enough amateur, Junior or Semi-pro level experience to land an asst. coach job with one of our under age development squads but apart from a lurking Davie Hay or Bertie Auld, I’d guess low single figures of posters with credible credentials.
Let me get this right now, and PLEASE correct me if I’m wrong, RD has won a LC and the SPFL in his first season, and IF he goes on to win a treble this season? He will be classed as a failure because of his results in Europe?
Now I’m just tossing this in hear, but since the great man himself in 1967, how many managers at Celtic have won that, or any European trophie?
Get ready for the……..your being ridiculous and daft now TD67,……………really? Well you started it.
67 European Cup Winners
I take your point, but with respect, we have a real chance to make sure their cheating immoral way of doing things is publicly highlighted, shamed and permanently eviscerated.
The future of the sport in Scotland and that includes Celtic is at sake here.
The Huns will lap it up if they carry on regardless; many Tims and other club’s supporters will have a real dilemma.
SPFL Board is Neil Doncaster and Ralph Topping along with six elected members from the clubs. Three Premiership, Eric Riley, Stephen Thomson and Duncan Fraser, two Championship, Eric Drysdale and Mike Mulraney, and one representing bottom two leagues, Ken Ferguson.
From reading the Etims article it would seem that four of the six were talking title stripping which is encouraging.
SFTB
I admire your dedication to your cause but cannot agree with your argument however eloquently stated!
Football is a relatively simple game – being a balance between defending your goal and attacking your opponents’. Our greatest ever manager put in very succinctly “don’t ask players do things they cannot do”
Ronnie fails this test week in week out and things ain’t getting any better.
He now talks about next season ! It’s only turned November and he wants to talk about next season!
He was given his first choice signings- he was given time at home to prepare.
The CL campaign was a disaster – losing from a winning position.
2-0 at home we lost a goal from our corner kick when we had 8 men attacking!
Sounds familiar – that right just like the day at Hampdump against ICT !
He might be a lovely guy but a manager he isn’t
He had the chance to shine last Thursday at HT – that’s when really good managers step up and get a response from their teams.
Our second half performance was a shambolic abject surrender!
We could have lost even more heavily to Molde- no disrespect but they are not a great side.
So for me the guy fails on just about every level and has to go.
No doubt the board will hope that he escape from the last two EL games with minimal damage and allow him to roll over the rest of the dross in Scotland until the end of the season.
However giving him a third crack at the CL would be folly in the extreme.
HH
Melbourne Mick
Haffey
Mackay and Gemmell
Crerand, McNeil and Peacock
Johnstone, Murdoch, McBride, Hay and Tully.
Subs, Auld, Connelly, Lennox, Larsson and Lubo.
Style and grit in abbundance
Morning all especially those who are travelling to Dingwall. COYBIG
A short, funny offering from Tony’s Huddle where Gerry’s other alter ego, the sports commentator assesses the IQ of professional sportsmen in the NHL.
http://wp.me/p6DYht-o2
No One Walks Alone
THECLUMPANY
Your ‘Job Interview’ piece might just be your best yet!
Cheers,and HH
Melbourne Mick and paddymacoz
This is not the team I would have picked but, taking my cue from the dropped hints, I would go:-
Boruc
McGrain McNeill Gemmell
Murdoch McStay Burns
Johnstone Larsson Lennox
Subs: Dalglish, Doyle and……(pick one from Reiper, Connnely, Hay or McBride)- I’ll plump for Hay as he was my favourite player
Justice must be seen to be done.
HH.
SETTINGFREETHEBEARS
Your team has a major flaw,mate.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
Think Danny will be in at Right and Left back……….somebody was allowed that earier.
Best XI
Boruc
McGrain McNeill Connelly, Gemmell
McStay Murdoch
Johnstone Dalglish Larsson Lennox
The blog has been as expected this week, euphoria after EBTgate and dismay after Molde. However, it did bounce back when all the hunfiltrators and mona lisas disappeared to some cracking debate over titles, cups and Ronny.
That is until the night shift with the desperate diggers on, desperate to be heard with their usual mantra of heated driveways, absentee landlords etc. I’m totally convinced that they don’t get a word in at hame.
Therefore, thank the Lord for Melbourne Mick who it seems husnae drank the antipodean kool aid, or stood in the rain at tannadice while his mates were laughing at him, not with him.
Croppybhoy. Ronny won two trophies in his first season and we are not half-way through his second season and you want to fire him because his injury hit squad has had a poor European experience.I would like to point out that all the Scottish sides had a terrible European experience so maybe its more than just a Celtic problem.I believe we will win honours this season so I cannot see how you think Ronny is a failure but it appears you are now judged by your European performances only. In Ronny and Peter I trust. H.H.
Croppybhoy
Thanks for the respectful tone in disagreeing. It is much appreciated.
“Our greatest ever manager put in very succinctly “don’t ask players do things they cannot do”
Ronnie fails this test week in week out and things ain’t getting any better.”
All true but that was Jock’s philosophy (and even he failed when he asked Willie Garner, John Dowie and Ian McWilliams to play well for Celtic) not Ronny’s.
Ronny told us he was going to challenge players to be better than they thought they could be. It was a brave approach and it is very hard for a natural pragmatist like myself to buy into it. But we slagged and drove away an arch-pragmatist in WGS, we eventually lost patience with a pragmatist who loosened the playing style just a little in NFL. Therefore, it is hard to see a consistent desire in our refrain. We know hat we do not want, which is what we are currently being offered, but, when we had a different approach, we did not want that either. I’ve given up trying to fathom the true desire of the volatile reactive fan (not you BTW). I can only conclude that, if we won every game and scored 5 beautiful goals in each, we would soon tire and call for a move to an inter galactic league where we could play 8 legged aliens who would challenge us to reach new levels.
BMCUW
Thanks Bobby
Just move Connelly up from the subs bench and add McBride to the bench.
T T
Good selection Young Tierney on the bench????
You just can’t trust the SMSM at all.
Sub headline on BBC website: Motherwell 3-1 Inverness: McGhee wants clarity over penalty retake.
The result was of course the reverse of the above.
TD67
For all our differences when it comes to the suits, you and I are in complete agreement when it comes to the team and the manager.
I never slag the players or the coach, never have done, never will.
They do the best they can do, it’s good enough for me to know that.
HH
Sydney Tim
I have found my original post about the relative managerial performance of all our previous managers I reproduce it below:-
“The narrative seems to be it was a mistake to appoint Ronnie, a rookie manager to a post like Celtic which demands an experienced hand. How far does that live up to any cursory evidence.
Ronnie is a rookie despite one years managing in Norway’s lower divisions, two years as an ast. coach in the top division and 6 years managing in their top division. He won them a cup (their 5th) and league (their 2nd in a 108 year history). He had European experience of playing Atletico Madrid in a Europa qualifying tie in 2011. He managed them in 2 further Europa qualifiers in 2013, beating Debrecen of Hungary and losing to Czech side Jablonec. He would have had CL qualifying management experience if he had not come to Celtic when Stromgodset qualified for that stage.
How does that compare with Celtic managers
Willie Maley- First managerial post with no prior experience (European experience was not an option)
Jimmy McStay- 2nd post- had two years with Alloa, one of them in the 2nd division
Jimmy McGrory- 9 years managing Killie during the war when no league took place. Took them to a losing cup final before WW2. Took him 9 years to win a league with Celtic and 5 years to win a cup.
Jock Stein- One year with Hibs and four years with Dunfermline. Jock had 2 years European experience with the Pars
Billy McNeill- one year with Clyde and one year with Aberdeen. Billy had one European tie with the Dons which he lost
David Hay- 1 year with Motherwell, winning the 2nd div. No priorEuropean management experience
Billy McNeill again- 10 years now in Management- had Euro experience from his first spell at Celtic
Liam Brady- First managerial post- no prior experience at all
Lou Macari- 9 years in management- all in the lower leagues of England. No Euro experience
Tommy Burns- 2 years with Killie, only one in the top division. No Euro experience
Wim Jansen- 15 years in management, 8 were as asst. or Technical director. He won 2 Dutch cups with Feyenoord so did have Euro experience- almost took them to a Final
Jo Venglos- 32 years experience but only ever won 2 Czech leagues in 74 and 75- suspect he had some Euro tie experience
John Barnes- Rookie manager all round- no Euro experience
Kenny Dalglish- 15 years in management- plenty Euro experience
MON- 13 years in management, 4 in the top division winning 2 league cups- minimal Euro experience
WGS- 9 years in management, one years experience of Europe with Southampton- lost his 1st tie
Tony Mowbray- 7 years in management- only Euro experience came in 2 UEFA campaigns with Hibs- both falling at the first hurdle
Neil Lennon- rookie manager- no Euro experience
So, by my reckoning, Ronny has had more prior club managerial experience than all bar Billy McNeill (2nd time around), Lou Macari-(all lower league), Wim Jansen, Jo Venglos, Kenny Dalglish, MON and WGS. He ranks 8th out of 18 managers in prior club experience.
Only Jock, Billy McNeill (2nd time around), Wim, and Kenny had more prior Euro experience. Of the 17 managers who could have had Euro experience, he ranks 5th.
So where did all this rookie nonsense- we usually employ experienced managers with Euro experience- actually come from?”
Joe Filippis Haircut on 8th November 2015 12:46 pm
I have to accept we have not been good in Europe but we have not really been great in Europe apart from odd matches for a while now.
*As MON said prior to Seville we were punching above our weight.
O.k
Ghuys need to get some sleep could somebody repost my blog at
9.13 for their best team as you all know us auld codgers think the
blog works with a magic wand.
And remember a lovely polo shirt might be winging your way .
H.H Mick