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Surprised we got two in yesterday, as Manchester City under-grad, Jason Denayer, signed for a year-long loan last night.  The 19-year-old has yet to play first team football so is likely to be considered as backup at Celtic, though reports are promising.

Not surprised that Legia Warsaw have lodged an appeal to Uefa to be re-instated into the Champions League, they have to try everything possible.  It has not been confirmed what ground Legia have appealed on, however, at the weekend, Polish FA chief exec, Zbigniew Boniek, suggested an appeal would be made on two grounds:

That only one member of the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body was at the hearing to made the decision, and

That Legia were not given the chance to make a submission to the Body.

There are 10 members of the Disciplinary Body and rules state that decisions require the attendance of at least three, unless the case is “urgent”, when a decision can be taken by one member.  To defend their process, Uefa need to insist that the circumstances were urgent, probably citing the Champions League play-off draw, which was due to take place two hours later.

While the Disciplinary Body allow submissions to be made prior to a hearing, Article 34 authorises the Body to undertake a hearing without submissions and “in the absence of one or all of the parties”.

In the unlikely event Legia won an appeal on procedural grounds, a subsequent hearing, perhaps with more Disciplinary Body members in attendance, would take place, and would inevitably reach the same conclusion.

Article 21, paragraph 2, of the Uefa Disciplinary Regulations state, “A match is declared forfeit if a player who has been suspended following a disciplinary decision participates in the match.”  There is no ambiguity or lateral for the Disciplinary Body to exercise a different reprimand.

Legia’s appeals can carry on all the way to the Court of Arbitration for Sport but Celtic will not be involved in any future issues.  NK Maribor represent a vastly, vastly, greater risk to their Champions League aspirations.

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  1. Jeg er Ronny Delia on

    On a separate point, of all the things that concern me at the moment, one of them is not that RD has brought in (on loan with an option to buy) two players who play in creative/wide attacking roles. this has been an obvious area of weakness for us, especially as Forrest is so injury-prone, and we have been over-reliant on Kris to make things happen in the attacking third. If one of them turns out to be a solid team player who creates some chances and scores the odd goal, we will have improved our team.

     

     

    And if neither of them makes it as a first team regular because Calum McG rises to the challenge and makes himself undroppable, then that will be even better for the team, for him, and for us.

  2. traditionalist88 on

    Jeg er Ronny Delia

     

     

    Yeahh because the current strategy of an almighty balls up every couple of years is working brilliantly, isn’t it. Clown.

  3. • Gary67

     

    13:00 on 12 August, 2014

     

    justafan

     

    12:55 on

     

    12 August, 2014

     

    So we’re either developing and giving him experience to return to City and challenge to get in their squad, or we’re being used as a shop window to sell one of their players!!

     

    Either way, its not appealing to me.

     

    Agree with you re. the loan system. Chelsea have made a mockery of it with their 30+ players out on loan last season. They should introduce a new rule limiting the number of players a club can loan out in the same way there’s a limit on the number of players you can loan in. I’d say 4 or 5 max. That would stop clubs like Chelsea and City hovering up young players from across the continent just to stop others getting them.

     

     

     

    Very good point mate…………………………

     

     

    I do believe that the Beaks should look at it……………

     

     

    5loneplayersISplenty

  4. Hugh Keevins last night “Celtic are a well run club for 20 years”……”look where financial madness got Rangers and Hearts, they nearly went out of business”

     

     

    just WOW

  5. Will Celtic have legal representation at the meeting tomorrow does anyone know? Notwithstanding the clear rule breach here, there are appears to be some significant back-door maneuverings going on here. I’m not sure we can sit back and trust “Uefa processes”.

  6. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon ....The angels are with Wee Oscar in Heaven.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    james forrest is praying for the unconquerable oscar knox

     

     

    13:00 on 12 August, 2014

     

     

    I agree with you on 2), since our fans are so very patient, especially some on here…… !!!!!!

  7. • justafan

     

    13:04 on 12 August, 2014

     

    The Holy Goalie, The Great Wall and Sammi were all loanee’s I think!

     

     

     

    As was Big Fraser………………………………………..

     

     

    Anotherloaneeeeeeeeee

  8. A bit of talk today about Scottish players…..

     

     

    Just wanted to point out that had we signed McCarthy THEN, he wouldn’t be with us NOW.

     

     

    Same goes fir any young, cheap player who develops into a quality player.

     

     

    The minute that Hull, Fulham, Southampton, Norwich etc get interested, off they go.

     

     

    Face it, if any one if the top 30 teams in England want a player, then he won’t come to, or stay with us.

     

     

    Getting to the last 16 of the CL was a miracle given the Scottish, English, Uefa financial situation.

     

     

    We are in the world of miracles. All of you who are angry and express hatred towards our CEO…. You are angry because they deliver miracles but only on an occasional basis.

  9. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon ....The angels are with Wee Oscar in Heaven.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    musters

     

     

    13:05 on 12 August, 2014

     

     

    What back door are YOU standing at?

  10. Jeg er Ronny Delia on

    traditionalist88 – where did I say that it was? you seem dissatisfied with it, and i challenged you to propose a better one – if you are unable to do so, please just admit it and do not resort to childish name-calling.

  11. Joe Filippis Haircut on

    Moonbeams WD. I am sure Rony would have been told how transfers worked at Celtic and must have accepted that before he joined us.So it is very unlikely he is surprised at the players he has from this transfer window and will be happy to coach them with all the Celtic squad. H.H.

  12. Big Joe,

     

     

    You are correct,

     

     

    Legia, City and Newcastle, theres nothing wrong with Loanees, works both ways, if duff goes back, if decent we can try sign.

  13. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon ....The angels are with Wee Oscar in Heaven.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    weeron

     

     

    13:06 on 12 August, 2014

     

     

    ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON ……. Now don’t do that again ….. Hahahahahahaha

  14. What I find sad is that we put effort into winning the league so that we have the prospect of having a crack at the CL.

     

     

    However, when we reach the qualifiers, we are nearly always ill prepared or ill equipped.

     

     

    And, in this year’s case, we are seemingly shambolic. What is the point?

  15. What is the Stars on

    Here is a revolutionary new strategy that we might try

     

     

    (1) Get a manager that can actually manage (and has demonstrated so at a serious level)

     

    (2) Allow that manager to nominate the players he needs/wants within the structures of a budget which has been outlined to him before he takes the job

     

    (3) Sign those players if possible or players of similar abilities if first choices not available

     

    (4) Start the season

     

     

    Ok lets try that

  16. James Forrest

     

     

    Ok. Let’s not fall out but as a counter weight :

     

     

    1. There is no empirical evidence to back this up. Did Frazer Forster only start running though walls when he got his Celtic full time contract ? Of course not. It’s about the people and the culture.

     

     

    2. It’s a results game. Play the best players at your disposal regardless of their status. No room for emotion and certainly not with our win at all costs support.

     

     

    3. Maybe the manager believes all 3 of them are keepers ? Man City have just spent 30m + on a new centre half alongside Kompany, the club captain. Perhaps there is a string chance www can convince him to stay of he likes the proposition.

     

     

    Like yours, just opinions fella.

  17. • kdc

     

    13:05 on 12 August, 2014

     

    Hugh Keevins last night “Celtic are a well run club for 20 years”……”look where financial madness got Rangers and Hearts, they nearly went out of business”

     

    just WOW

     

     

    keevins is a horrible man…………………………………….

     

     

    Always………………… I……………. always…………………………..

     

     

    when talking negative about sevco he calls them the oldfirm

     

     

    But when it’s negative talk about the Champions, were are Celtic………………….

     

     

    hellwillmendHim

  18. Jeg er Ronny Delia on

    Justafan – you are correct, although we had an option to buy, which is a slightly different situation. outwith Paradise, Courtois is the best example – he certainly “ran through walls” for atleti. James is stuck in the past.

  19. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon ....The angels are with Wee Oscar in Heaven.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    robert88

     

     

    13:08 on 12 August, 2014

     

     

    …….as we did with big FF ….!!!!!!!!

  20. traditionalist88 on

    Jeg er Ronny Delia

     

    13:08 on

     

    12 August, 2014

     

    traditionalist88 – where did I say that it was? you seem dissatisfied with it, and i challenged you to propose a better one – if you are unable to do so, please just admit it and do not resort to childish name-calling.

     

    ===

     

     

    Unable to do so? see post at 12.59 for starters

  21. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    If this seasons strategy .. one I agree with… loan signings is as much a disaster as last summers signings…what will next years strategy be ?

     

     

    At what level of strategy will those that implement the failed strategies be addressed ?

     

     

    Oops I will rephrase that with more preciscion.. at what level of reduced profit will need to be achieved before those implementing the failed football strategies be addressed ?

     

     

    Thanks in advance for any intelligent and civilised responses.

     

     

    HH

  22. • Robert88

     

    13:08 on 12 August, 2014

     

    Big Joe,

     

    You are correct,

     

    Legia, City and Newcastle, theres nothing wrong with Loanees, works both ways, if duff goes back, if decent we can try sign.

     

     

     

    Exxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxactly mate, if we had did that last year with Derek, baldi and possibly Puki, we would be in a better position.

     

     

    NotallLoaneesareBAD

  23. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon ....The angels are with Wee Oscar in Heaven.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    big joe

     

     

    13:10 on 12 August, 2014

     

     

    He certainly is a horrible little man, with no manners / scruples at all ….. I hope Celtic continue to ban him from Celtic Park

  24. Jeg er Ronny Delia on

    What is the stars

     

     

    that strategy is, for various reasons which are often discussed on here, not available to us.

     

     

    btw, every club has a team of scouts who identify and recruit – the era of managers doing it all is long gone. they will get input, and have the final word (from a footballing perspective) but that’s it. Do you think Pellegrini, or Ancelloti scout and receruit for their respective clubs? I can tell you they do not.

  25. James Forrest is praying for The Unconquerable Oscar Knox on

    Jeg er Ronny Delia:

     

     

    Sorry about that mate. I’d like to say that was a momentary stab of anger, but in truth I’ve been pissed off with all things Celtic for about a fortnight now.

     

     

    I never expected a change of direction or strategy as a result of the Legia reprieve.

     

     

    I half expected some sign of life, some indication that the board realised a point had been reached with that tie, and it was time for some signs of life.

     

     

    That we then sold Forster – and yes, he wanted to go, but the timing of it absolutely stinks, and no-one will convince me it was necessary to do it this week – weakening the team even further, that we then went out and signed of yesterday’s targets, a guy who has already rejected us, on loan and added to that with a third loan signing for the manager who’s on the record as saying he doesn’t want loan players … it’s almost as if our “custodians” went out of their way to show how LITTLE they give a damn what we think.

     

     

    For some people this is okay. Scotland is a wee country. We are a backwater league. We need to realise we can’t live with the big boys … yadayadayada ….

     

     

    The next time we hear, from Celtic, how big a club we are, how special we are, I would ask that people take note of how we act.

     

     

    My anger is interwoven with sheer bafflement, and I mean that sincerely, that some of our fans are content to live with this mediocrity.

     

     

    It disheartens me, because I suspect that I might even be in the minority who’s deeply, deeply concerned by where we’re going. That worries me because if I am in the minority then there’s no stopping it, that we ARE heading towards watching Lee McCulloch with the SPL trophy, that a ten goal hammering in Europe is inevitable, that our reputation as a club with traditions, who’s name rings out, really is going to be obliterated and we’re going to be known as a provincial club obsessed with scurrying around the globe playing meaningless games for money, ruled by the balance sheet.

     

     

    People ask me why I am not in favour of a move to the EPL, even if such a thing were possible or likely. I am not asking for us to try and compete with those clubs, because frankly I don’t want to compete with insanity. Fraser Forster for £10 million? That’s a no-brainer, any day, every day. I am not complaining about that as much as the timing, and in the knowledge that the money is not going back into the team.

     

     

    I don’t see me returning to Celtic Park for years. It will take a dramatic realignment of where our club is going before that happens.

     

     

    I was thinking last night of the Celtic Way, that wonderful avenue outside the ground where our past heroes are remembered.

     

     

    You do realise, right, that the strategy does not allow for heroes? Victor Wanyama’s flag will never fly there, nor that of Gary Hooper or Fraser Forster. Henrik Larsson would have been sold in Martin O’Neill’s first season in charge.

     

     

    We’re never going to have that again. Kris Commons may well be up there, if he’s not punted by the end of the current campaign, but after him …? Who?

     

     

    Yeah, I’m pretty fed up mate.

  26. Gary 67

     

     

    The hoovering up of young talent with real potential creates a scarcity.

     

     

    Scarcity causes prices of lesser potential to rise. £3m for Ryan Gauld????

     

     

    Presumably Celtic are paying part of the loaned player’s wages which brings him back into the affordable bracket, a bracket that would have allowed us to sign him in the first place had the scarcity created by hoovering not existed.

     

     

    There is a phrase in Soccernimics – As oil is to the oil industry, so stupidity is to football”

     

     

    The guy was nearly right – As oil is to the oil industry so lunacy/insanity is to football.

     

     

    What’s worse – it’s contagious.

  27. • 67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon ….The angels are with Wee Oscar in Heaven.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors

     

    13:12 on 12 August, 2014

     

    big joe

     

    13:10 on 12 August, 2014

     

    He certainly is a horrible little man, with no manners / scruples at all ….. I hope Celtic continue to ban him from Celtic Park

     

     

    He has the biggest agenda against us in football…………………

     

     

    And that’s fooking saying something, believe YOU me

     

     

    KeepthefoooookerBanned

  28. Can’t understand this wholesale slating of

     

    Balde, Derk and Pukki?

     

    Ah mean – what are they being judged on?

     

    How many chances they miss?

     

    If so, could you consider that, hardly any chances come their way.imho

     

    Balde – the last 5 mins most weeks under Neil?

     

    Nae wonder he’s still not got a job.

     

    Maybe, just maybe, this what Ronny is trying to get across – no chances

     

    being made?

  29. glendalystonsils on

    kdc

     

    13:03 on

     

    12 August, 2014

     

    “We needed a striker and a playmaker this time last year, and look how that turned out in the CL last season”

     

     

    It could be argued that is why Pukki and Balde were brought in, the success of that is a different question

     

     

    If Pukki and Balde were the answer, whoever signed them didn’t read the question properly.

  30. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon ....The angels are with Wee Oscar in Heaven.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    kevjungle is a celtic fan…not a supporter.

     

     

    13:17 on 12 August, 2014

     

     

    CAREFUL ……. you’re starting to sound sensible …..hehe

  31. • James Forrest is praying for The Unconquerable Oscar Knox

     

    13:13 on 12 August, 2014

     

    James………………………………………………………..

     

     

    How’s thinks mate………………….

     

     

    Love the passion in your posts………………….

     

     

    dontyoustopdontyoustopdontyoustop

  32. James Forrest is praying for The Unconquerable Oscar Knox

     

     

    Feel the exact same mate. Your not alone.

     

     

    I’m more sad than angry, No more heroes under this regime.

     

     

    KLV

  33. derbyshirebhoy on

    bada bing

     

     

    The relevance of the timing and appeal is how much to spend and on whom. Appeal lost gets more appeal won gets less.

  34. James Forrest

     

     

    We are not at CL group level and I think this unhappy fact has guided Celtic since Lenny told them and said I’m offski.

     

     

    So the reprieve is probably unwelcome as it creates a demand that Celtic are not going to meet otherwise Lenny would still be here.

     

     

    The loans are needed to provide EL income. Forget the CL. It’s a bridge too far this season. That does not mean it will not be next.

     

     

    That’s my reading of things.

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