I don’t get the flares thing. It’s not a part of my going-to-see-Celtic tradition. But if it was my thing, I’d have the courage of my convictions, I wouldn’t hide the fact.
There are consequences of bringing flares to football games, always has been. By not having the courage to openly ignite them, those consequences are not personalised to the individuals who regard this as an integral part of what they do at a football game, they are visited upon everyone in the vicinity, as well as the club.
The problem with flares at Celtic games is those who bring them hide the fact – as they clearly know there are consequences, and presumably aren’t too interested in taking responsibility for them. ‘Keen on flares, not keen enough to stand up for them’, is why the issue persists.
I get the attraction to bright, shiny, things, but this isn’t a campaign to bring the vote to disenfranchised people against a force who will execute the offender on sight. It’s about bringing a flare to a football game. If it’s so important, do it openly. If you think Health and Safety are simply wrong, find the evidence and use it in court. Have the courage to change something. I know lots of Celtic fans who have had the courage to put their name to something they believed in, in recent years. It’s seldom easy, but it has been done.
But in the years of this debate no one has ever pointed to evidence that igniting flares in a football ground is a clever thing to do. It’s just a ‘look at me’ exercise, ‘But don’t look at my face’, of course.
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Episode 5 of ‘A Celtic State of Mind’ finds Paul John Dykes and Kevin Graham discussing a variety of topical subjects concerning Celtic Football Club, including:
* What now for the Green Brigade?
* Dedryck Boyata – Are reinforcements on route?
* Virgil van Dijk – The windfall cometh;
* Emilio Izaguirre – Moving on.
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CHAIRBHOY
Patience and fortitude required, I get this image of Regan standing before a dam popping with leaks and no enough fingers to plug them, his sneaky snidey words and behaviours will come back to haunt him.
Murray will be planning his escape route right now I would imagine, can’t ever see him sticking his hands up, I can however see him dobbing (sic) others in..
The shit runs deep..
My friends in Celtic,
Personally I thought the statement from the GB was unnecessary confrontational and ill judged. Assuming that many /most of them are university educated / graduates then they have achieved a very high standard, and presumably must be intelligent.
In that assumption they have in simple terms declared future conflict. A battle for the hearts and minds revolving around the moral compass of what it is to be Celtic.
Very disappointing.
For years and years Celtic supporters in general avoided the trends of Ultras and casuals. We were predominantly a working class support who were spontaneous in our actions.
That has changed, times have changed. We now have a middle class section of our support thinking they can act as they want and damn the consequences.
They are not the conscious of Celtic, the middle class PLC are not the conscious of Celtic.
Where in all this, is the voice of the ordinary working Celtic supporter?
As I have stated many times, I love the atmosphere the GB bring. But do they love political ideology more than Celtic?
Hail Hail.
TGM
Do you reside in Turnbridge Wells?
We are living in interesting times and those interesting times have now made it to G44.
Some people need to make a decision — what are you / what is more important to you?
1) Football “ultra” — M+S sorry John Lewis revolutionary / middle class ego tripper / member of the 6 year common room at St Als / self selecting uber fan?
2) CFC supporter — Supporting the team is the main event / explaining to PL the advantage of having a growth agenda has its place / making the most of the levers available to develop a progressive mindset with positive actions also comes into play.
Old enough to remember the last supporters fad.
Young enough to remember the change in mindset that was forced upon the easily led when they had to be escorted out of Easter Road to save them from hard lesson that was about to be taught to them by the mainstream support.
We have been here before.
Just this time we are dealing with a spoiled 21st century faux libertarian attitude rather than the collective anti Thatcher times of the late 80’s.
Oh dear, oh dear. I see that Celtic have previously used that triangle image surrounding a pic of one of our former players from the occupied six, and within an official publication as well. Looks like the GB are being condemned at least partially for something Celtic had already done.
Hmmmmm
GP @ 12.07
Well said — the spontaneous working class angle is probably what defines us.
People of a certain vintage might have white collar careers but you only become middle income never middle class.
Unfortunately the children of the middle income become middle class if they are not taught history by experience rather than history by academic tutorial.
TD67
You have said more than once that posters were all over James Forrest like a pack of wolves, that’s not the impression I got, James himself even thanked posters for having a sensible and reasoned debate.
Strange how folks see the same thing so differently to suit.
https://twitter.com/heavidor/status/889044355964686336
!!BADA BING!!
Oh dear…now where did I put my incontinence pants:))
STAIRHEEDRAMMY and others
I believe the Celtic View carries a statement that the content of the CV’s is not the Clubs view or opinion.
I believe.
Stairheed……………
I think the CV didn’t juxtapose the amended traffic sign imagery with the silhouette of a 70’s style, freedom fighter, in beret and black sunnies……
GREENPINATA on 23RD JULY 2017 12:07 PM
As I have stated many times, I love the atmosphere the GB bring. But do they love political ideology more than Celtic?
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The marvellous thing about their statement is that they confirm what some of us have been accusing them all for years.
They admit to being political entryists who use Celtic to promote their political ideology.
And they don`t give a damn about the consequences for Celtic .
If they did , they wouldn`t be repeat offenders.
That`s their prime objective and if that damages Celtic , and it does , they don`t care.
They just don`t care.
Greenpinata
“Personally I thought the statement from the GB was unnecessary confrontational and ill judged. Assuming that many /most of them are university educated / graduates then they have achieved a very high standard, and presumably must be intelligent.”
What if they’re not does that nullify your post??
I take it you mean conscience and not conscious yes??
The voice of the ordinary supporter would that be the sell out of season tickets this season, is that not a statement from the ordinary supporter?
The CSA, The Celtic Trust, CQN, Kerrydale St, E-Tims, The Celtic blog?? There’s a million voices of the Celtic support.
A middle class section of the support?? Is that the new ” oh those casual wee neds” of some years back??
A post based on an assumption which may or not be true is not going very far in my opinion..
What has the class of the supporter got to do with anything apart from showing you have a chip one way or another toward one section of the support.
Our enemies don’t have to divide and conquer us everybody is already running about with huge chips on the shoulders:((
HH
THE EXILED TIM on 23RD JULY 2017 12:17 PM
TD67
You have said more than once that posters were all over James Forrest like a pack of wolves, that’s not the impression I got, James himself even thanked posters for having a sensible and reasoned debate.
Strange how folks see the same thing so differently to suit.
Yes you answered your own question :))
TET
And? I only posted it once, and answered another poster on it once, now it’s twice by answering you, proving you right after your post was wrong, how you do that?
https://towardfreedom.com/archives/europe/sleepwalking-toward-global-war-bernadette-devlin-mcaliskey-rise-fascism-today/
HH jamesgang
TD
It proves that TET can control you using only a keyboard.
Make him do tricks TET!!
;-)
HH jamesgang
TONYDONNELLY67 @ 12:02 PM,
“Question was that £250,000 fine to oldco by Nimmo ever paid? I don’t recall it?”
Yes it was. Initially Sevco said it wasn’t their debt it was Oldco’s. According to the SPL Commission’s findings they were correct.
The SPFL & SFA said it was Sevco’s, I believe that this was to give the illusion that Rangers FC had been punished.
Of course £250,000 was a pittance in reality for the wrongdoing.
Sevco said they would fight the fine and take it to Arbitration.
Then the CofS found in favour of HMRC in the BTC.
They found the logic in the SPFL and SFA’S argument and paid it.
As I said, giving the illusion that the Club were punished for the EBT scandal.
STARRY PLOUGH @ 12:07 PM,
Yes that’s quite a graphic image and quite right. It’s indicative of the way the SFA were so quick to come out with their statement that they weren’t doing any Reviews.
Of course, this showed they had not taken legal advice from the Law Lords Decision or had read the Judgement.
From the Res12 to SFA LNS Inquiry to The Five way Agreement to SPL LNS Commission and beyond. There are huge question marks about the SFA’S Governance of Rangers. Up to and including their failure to review. Especially in light of the Scotland needs a Strong Rangers statements.
Just an aside, as we are talking about David Murray’s duping…
Two things that Craig Whyte said he was duped about didn’t come out in Court, I believe they weren’t that relevant and CW didn’t give evidence in question.
1. Craig Whyte believed that Rangers had guaranteed European Football, he thought that if they failed to qualify for the UCL they went straight into Europa League.
2. He thought that MIH were going to press forward with the BTC and that Rangers Contingent Liability in that regard would have been cleared up. The case was supposed to be heard in November 2012, MIH asked for an adjournment.
Of course CW should have done due diligence in all these regards and as far as the Purchase Agreement was concerned he signed over responsibly for the Tax Case to MIH.
But it’s just another indication of the way Murray operated, he certainly didn’t safeguard the future of the Club, far from it.
He and his Board need to be a big part of any REVIEW.
Hail Hail
Starry Bhoy………………………
Correct. the Divide an’ Conquer crew…….an’ their sleekit surrogates need no excuse…..
HH.
Bada Bing
It’s crazier than that; restoration would mean Sevco 5088 has the Rangers assets but no SFA/SPFL membership & RIFC the debt but no assets. https://t.co/IFWVx8GJPb
David Low twitter
HH
I am sure Craig Whyte cares for them :-)
Celtic supporters including the GB are choirboys in comparison to many others. Uefa know this. The sanctions are a routine slap on the wrist. BAMBOO wrote.
Indeed they are.The more hysterical GB haters on here are stoking up the rhetoric of”Ground closures”.
Utter drivel,but dont let anything get in their way of having a go at other Celtic fans.
The word “Ultras”,seems to be lost on them.As does the fantastic worldwide acclaim,Celtic as a club got for the GB,Palestinian appeal.The work they do collecting for Food Banks.The work they do organizing the Football Tournaments for homeless.
You will notice where the team heads to at the end of games.Where KT headed to so he could get a “Selfie”with them.The players love them.The only ones who dont seem to be the old codgers brigade.
“Ee oop,it were never like that,when I wert lad”.
Bankiebhoy, you seem to be confusing the banners. There were two of them.
CHAIRBHOY
Thanks for that, I wasent sure.
Kris Commons on radio scotland now.
HH
JAMESGANG
A powerful and pertinent speech. She still has the fire.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/other-celtic-fans-have-reached-the-end-of-their-tether-1-4511513
Kris Commons on radio Scotland
JAMESGANG on 23RD JULY 2017 12:40 PM
Thanks for that.Magnificent.
I am astonished that the concerns of Celtic from the last Hearts game where they said there were flares fire appliances called and a dangerous situation that it was not addressed then if it was so much of a concern, to not do so has endangered everyone who has been at a game since.
This smacks to me of a botched disciplinary hearing where the person who is being disciplined has additional items introduced to convict, do Celtic really know how to handle this, it does not look like it to me?
Season books are bought and whether you like it or not have conditions attached that you must follow, if you dont intend to follow the conditions dont buy a ticket or a season book.
I say again this is poor from Celtic leaving a dangerous situation unaddressed until now, and that will be Hawthorn who is responsible,if fans are being banned what is happening to a guy whose job is safety and security for all who enter the stadium.
Bernadette Devlin provided the best spontaneous one – liner live in the Panorama studio late `60s.
The N.I. pm of the day said ” Well if that ever comes to pass , then I`m a Dutchman ”
Quick as a flash , Bernadette says ” Well you wouldn`t be the first Dutchman to sully the shores of Ireland. “
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 23RD JULY 2017 12:57 PM
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/other-celtic-fans-have-reached-the-end-of-their-tether-1-4511513
I have not.
Who did they ask?.You and Tony Donnelly.
Surprising that some Celtic fans,can take a piece from the SMSM,and use it as a stick to try and beat sense into other fans who dont agree with them.
The SMSM.Yes,the very same that will try to discredit our club at every turn.”Oh,a bit of dissension among the Tims,lets stoke it up”.
From the ridiculous…
even a five year old child know when it wrong to do something, and doesent have to be told TEN times.
To the sublime…
JAMESGANG on 23RD JULY 2017 12:40 PM
https://towardfreedom.com/archives/europe/sleepwalking-toward-global-war-bernadette-devlin-mcaliskey-rise-fascism-today/
HH jamesgang
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Thank you Jamesgang
HH
The Green brigade are 11 years old. In that time they’ve done far more good for Celtic’s worldwide image than bad – the interpretation of ‘bad’ and requisite hysteria and mortification seems confined to this parochial wee erse-clenching parish of fair Scotia and its ‘blood of my blood’. You wonder why…
David Brent FACT.
Meanwhile, the Huns do their best to shepherd a zombie squirrel shuffling up the tree after the smoke trails of the Green Brigade one…
!!Bada Bing!! on 23rd July 2017 12:18 pm
https://twitter.com/heavidor/status/889044355964686336
Oh please, let the world’s funniest clusterf### ensue.
Jamesgang
Good link thanks
Betty Sinclair,what a woman she was. But Bernadette is special one
TURKEYBHOY on 23RD JULY 2017 1:04 PM
Mate.
Celtic FC don`t want a recurrence.
I support Celtic.
How about you ?
STAIRHEEDRAMMY @ 12:46 PM,
“Bankiebhoy, you seem to be confusing the banners. There were two of them.”
Yes, I thought it interesting that TGB only mentioned one in their statement.
I think the “Ultra” as “Paramilitary” back fired stupendously. They thought they were being clever.
Given who we were playing… far from it.
Hail Hail
MACJAY
Reckon her opponent had three Adam’s Apples after that comment?