Dramatic and ambitions developments in European leagues, in this instance Russian and Ukraine, who have taken Michel Platini’s endorsement for the regionalisation of domestic leagues, should inspire the imagination of every football fan and administrator in a league with problems.
Scotland has a league with problems.
Our clubs and national association are committed to reorganisation but neither proposal from the Scottish Premier League or Scottish Football League does anything to halt the inevitable decline and marginalisation of our clubs.
In the 60s, 70s and 80s well-run Scottish provincial clubs regularly beat leading teams from big European countries but since then our small domestic market TV market has made most Scottish clubs also-rans, both in Europe and at home. We have a league system where the battle for second place is competitive and interesting but does not carry a meaningful reward; only one club is capable of winning the league.
Before making any changes to our league system we need to consider what changes are happening elsewhere in Europe and have a mature conversation about regionalisation.
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BMCUW,
I expect it would be down to how you approached the issue, IMO it would be pointless bringing any litigation proceedings in scotland however doing it through the city legal processes would be successful, unfair advantage in rigged markets would not be as hard to prove especially with the existing evidence, I think :o)
Canamalar
Sorry, had to do some work. A British Isles League set up would presumably have regional levels as per Germany meaning that Arbroath would never have to play Exeter or Glentoran. Above that regionalising would be the Isles League of ‘top’ promoted clubs.
I agree on the costs of home games being too expensive and would prefer the German model rather than the English one where you can get into a top game for 10 euros.
Also agree on the SFA but we know why Celtic FC won’t follow through. Celtic FC are complicit in the operation of the SFA and have absolutely no desire to drive change at all.
HH
Mort, in regards to Bilbao.
I hope to see one day, 11 players on the park wearing the Hoops who have all came through the Celtic education programme.
Nothing wrong with wanting to fill your team with local players.
voguepunter
†ypical!
John McGuire @Magwa_1888
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BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS/ corkcelt
I will hold up my hands to contributing about £300,000 in phantom pledges.
EASILYAMUSEDCSC
CANAMALAR
And that brings us back to another problem-in footbal,recourse to the courts gets you kicked out of the game.
Unless yer the huns,of course…….
canamalar
Some good posts today.
Amazing how many diverse ideas there are, but as you say money is at the root of everything, I like some would rather we went back to the days of yore, when there were other clubs outwith Glasgow fighting for honours, like monteblanco alluded to, but due to the lack of TV money, Tv money which is not worth a dam, but money all the same, there is no chance of said money increasing due to the small population we have to vacate.
To where is another matter.
I agree the suits give not a jot about the support, and that is the reason as you outlined is the desire to get out.
They want a sanatised support, a prawn sandwich brigade, not a Green Brigade support, and if they do get their wish who knows what the future holds.
My preference would be the total dismantling of the sfa/spl and start again, a start that is fair and equal, an honest refereeing system, a system that allows footballers to play football.
An end to the masonic cabal.
Then we might see the crowds embrace the game again.
The supporters of the other clubs will not turn out to watch a rigged game, the hard core do, cos they are the hard core.
Our support do, but it’s dwindling away, and it will be the hard core left if change is not forthcoming.
Probably none of them at the game knew about it till they got home…
UEFA Website
Hi Everyone in Celtic Land
I have been advocating for yonks for us to get out of Scotland, so hopefully any new structure should be welcomed. The main thing though in my opinion is to absolutely ensure we do so without rankers. We don’t need them as sure as Dolly Parton sleeps on her back. Make no bones about it, they will do all they can to capitalise on our glory, it cannot be allowed to happen, end of!
If I don’t come on here again pre-Christmas I sincerely hope you all have a peaceful happy time and remember these poor sods in Connecticut- what a Christmas they will have. KINGLuBO
Steinreignedsupreme
Paul67 showed the zombies weeks ago what was going to happen when he wrote about the selling and leaseback of Ibrokes and Sir Minty Park.
Hell mend the zombies for going into denial again.
VOGUEPUNTER
Maw,youse just fa’ asleep leaving it to yer peace-loving pal fae Wiltshire to throw oil on troubled waters while everyone else is throwing it on the flames!
Not this week-gotta work,so I’ll leave that thankless task to someone else……..
Mort
ASonOfDan is close to my thinking on this. They are not saying people with the wrong skin colour or the of the wrong religion are not good enough to represent their club, but they are saying that their club is about more than football; it represents a strong, distinct community.
If you want to go there and live there and be part of that community you can represent its football club, no matter where you are from. If you want to helicopter your way in and out of training like, say, Michael Owen, or drive four hours there and back up the motorway like, say, Lou Macari, then the answer is no.
Row z..,
get yer priorities right :o)
yep agreed with most of that, but the regionalisation set up would still have regional associations which will be affiliated, like you I cant see any association with a UEFA\FIFA vote giving that up without a fight, however I they are weakened I cant see how they could hold onto that power.
I am not in favour of a british association as it would be dominated by the EFA to the point were only their interests would be served.
And I agree on Celtic’s self interest at the sfa I expect they are as hostile to transparency as any
A SON OF DAN
£300,000 TO SAVE A GREAT BRITISH INSTITUTION?
Tchah……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukun8nc5Y8U
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
Celtfish is indeed doing an excellent job getting the orders out straight away. It’s been a lot of work and everyone’s support is very much appreciated, as is the universal praise the CQN ANNUAL has received.
We could draw a triple five mile radius out from Parkhead, Townhead and the Garngad and be done with any outsiders.
That would rid us of the Board at least.
Or we buy the club. Best way to do that is reduce its value. Which is in our hands.
Offski,folks.
Aforementioned nightshift-and I actually have to work!-requires some rest first.
More for you than me……….
winning captains
Don’t know if you seen my earlier post, but the annual arrived today(Strathaven) after ordering on thursday evening. Great service.
Weefra HH
ASonOfDan 16:30 on 17 December, 2012
“Hell mend the zombies for going into denial again.”
To be fair to the Zombies – the vast majority of them are just too thick to understand.
Their blogging representation doesn’t exactly clarity anything for them either.
‘When in doubt, lash out’ appears to be the mantra.
WINNING CAPTAINS
Yet to meet him-I keep getting dragged away to meet guys in Bath Bristol Cheltenham etc who just take advantage of me and get me blootered.
That,and barred from a few places in Swindon.
Though not The Tap and Barrel,so still hope.
Anyway,offski.
Big Fraser is not just ‘the Great Wall’ – he is now a ‘totemic keeper!’
Marvellous!
HH!!
The reality is that 30 years ago major funding sources were people coming in through the gates. That allowed clubs wherever they were to improve based on their own attraction. Now the major source of revenue (domestic and european) comes from TV coverage. People who by and large don’t come through the gate and have no desire to do so.
If we as a club want to truly be in that bracket year on year we must compete in a TV franchise that offers that income. For all that Benfica and Ajax offer models the reality is that they are not winning these trophies nor are they in the finals on any regular basis.
So, for now, money is king if you want to be big in europeland and if you want to be big you need to be in a TV franchise that will pay for the structure of it currently.
It is true that the majority of those generated funds have fallen into the pockets of players and that these are probably excessive for what the product is. Is the trend reversible or changeable and if so, do any of the current powerbrokers have any desire for change?
I think not in the main.
HH
BMCUW,
I think the threat would be enough to set a few sphincters twitching like kittens whiskers. I font think it would need to go to court but make it clear if thats what it takes to get it sorted then thats what would happen.
BTW I’m geeting a zippo for Christmass, I find lighting deisel takes a bit of work and theres no many clippers up to the job without getting yer fingers burned :o)
TET,
I’m going to use a phrase I hate
We need to get back to basics, there I said it :o)
tv money is not good enough for the power it has over our game
Bin tv coverage for a couple of seasons getting back to alternative home and away 15:00 o’clock kick off and see if it brings back the support.
Clubs coud then maybe develop their own media set ups for extranational viewers with the permission of the rest of the clubs.
ROW Z things change.
Sponsorship, TV money and gate money have fallen sharply in Italy and will not recover.
UEFA changed qualification for the CL in recognition of its dwindling appeal.
Celtic benefited from that and will no doubt be trumpeted by UEFA as an example of what is possible. But we shouldn’t take advantage of UEFA’s kindly gesture.
We were bang out of order winning it in ’67. To do so again would be downright rude. :-)
ROW Z – Let Celtic Flourish by the Cleansing of the ‘den!
Good analysis which is why we need to get more by whatever means from watchers as opposed to attendees.
On your last point there are signs that EPL club owners are begining to realise that unless they set a wage ceiling, the next TV income boost will still end up in players pockets and leave the owners well short of any return.
Football must be the only business in the world where employees dictate the wage and the owners and customers pay the full price no questions asked.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
16:37 on
17 December, 2012
A SON OF DAN
£300,000 TO SAVE A GREAT BRITISH INSTITUTION?
Tchah……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukun8nc5Y8U
BMCUW
Is this a subliminal comment on the ringing endorsements posted here for the CQN Annual?
I think the customer satisfaction rating for CQN Annual is approx 120% at the moment.
I have my suspicions :)
The Onlooker
That latest Swivel-eyed Leggit blog is the funniest one yet.
It just wouldn’t be complete without the use of the term Odious Creep.
Whoever writes it should get a medal.
WeefratheTim
Sorry did miss your eariler post. Trying to get the new issue of CQN Magazine finished so that Paul can post it tomorrow lunchtime. It is looking great with all our European adventures etc – best issue yet. It also is the first issue we will use for next year’s CQN Annual!
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire
Funny that. As I was doing my previous post the alternative of no TV/Internet viewing at all crossed my mind, but I just cannot see that having the same effect as making sure all deals spread the wealth across football.
A sort of solidarity charge that recognises the interdependent nature of the football business..
Auldheid
Technology is changing fast. At some point the TV companies will be unable to control streaming and will find that the remaining suckers prepared to float their boat dwindle slowly. The only way to burst the streams will be to stop recording or for wide net availability to be cheap.
I think that is more likely to force change than anything else. Whether what emerges is for better or poorer remains outstanding.
HH
canamalar
Agreed, but until the corruption has gone, the support will not return IMO.
Aberdeen could and would fill their ground every week if they though they had a chance of winning, as would the other clubs.
The clubs seem reluctant to do anything, it will be up to the supporters as ever.
And the only way we can do it, is to walk away from the corruption, then maybes they will pay heed.
Thanks to GG, I believe, for goal links first I’ve seen for a while.
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Tusker
Auldheid
“Good analysis which is why we need to get more by whatever means from watchers as opposed to attendees.”
So we can forget the game its all about the money, thats no longer a football team your supporting its a corporation and if the aim is to make the corporation richer then we might as well go support haliburton or someone like that, nothing without supporters is being killed by your argument.
Blaming greedy players is lazy, everybody who does anything wants as much as they can get for it, lazy club execs are responsible for greedy players, we have downsized for how long now
and your still banging the lazy argument that money is all that matters, worse your now advocating we dont even need supporters anymore just more money, very disappointed in your corporate outlook
When you see how much the likes of West Ham , Wigan, Sunderland, Reading, and all the other EPL teams outwith the top handfull get from the TV pot, and I could include Man City and Arsenal and the rest, infact the lot of them…..
One thing that slaps me in the face is how brutal they are, their managers really don’t have a clue how to put a team together, sack them all I say.
Look what Lenny has done with no money…………..
Tusker. Are: you kojo