Channel 4’s Alex Thomson’s source at the SPL yesterday confirmed that the league will not proceed with their hearing into Rangers illegal registration of players until Sevco agrees to be bound by its findings. This is curious as Item 12 (Sanctions) from the SFA’s ‘List of items required to accompany application for transfer of full membership’ from Rangers to Sevco, an application which Sevco have already made, obliged Sevco to agreed to be bound by these findings.
The relevant part of the transfer application reads:
“Confirmation that Sevco will accept such sanctions as are proposed by the Scottish FA in relation to current proceedings.
Confirmation re EBT sanction position at SPL level and subsequent appeal to Scottish FA.
Confirmation that Sevco will accept responsibility for any breach of the Articles etc by Oldco which has not so far come to light.”
If Sevco have not accepted the terms of the SFA membership application there seems little point putting Scottish Football League clubs through such dramas this week. An alternative explanation is that Sevco have completed their application in full but the SPL have no plausible excuse for delaying tier investigation into illegal registration of players, so have used an implausible excuse.
Neither explanation is tenable. Things are not going to plan for the national bodies.
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Stuttgart Kickers v Celtic is live on the German channel Sport 1 tv on Sunday- getting a link should be easy enough. Doesn’t look like tonights game is being covered.
HH
Stevebhoy
I appteciate the principles of TUPE and in not moving to Sevco player satisfied those principles.
But in not moving players stopped Sevco honouring their contract and Sevco will argue, and I would in their position, Sevco are not in breach and so have a say in any transfer as they would for any player asking away.
There is a colision of rights and it will be settled by FIFA and I would not be surprised if they did order clubs who signed the TUPE players to pay the reduced xfer fees those players negotiated in Feb.
greenjedi on 10 July, 2012 at 10:28 said:
I’m trying to erase that period (and player!) from my mind – purleeeze!
Tully 57,
I remember Stan Petrov have a FBhoy’s bahooky early in his Celtic days. Perhaps it was when he worked on the burger van and he was paid in kind.
Brafied the Dutch boy ? He was shocking played 1 good game them was rank , the moroccan from last year was bad also !!
traditionalist88 == http://liveworldstreaming.com/live-streaming-fc-augsburg-celtic-tv-watch-10-07-2012/
I ask you, SFL members, have you ever been offered deals to persuade you to let an applicant become a member?
What would you do if other clubs offered you “sweeteners” to vote for them?
This is an officially sanctioned bribe.
Paidraig Marley
Cheers buddy
HH
The investigation needs to continue irrespective of Newco. If the investigation results in oldco being stripped of titles, then that has nothing to do with Newco.
MWD
Pnt 2 requires licensing conditions to be met and SFL rules does not mention licensing at all so how can SFL decide?
alex thomson @alextomo
Ok – word has arrived back from FIFA, UEFA (spelled right for once)and SFA on latest “Rangers” shenanigans. Blog later.
Auld Neil Lennon heid,
“But in not moving players stopped Sevco honouring their contract”
But the players never had, at any stage, a contract with Sevco. They had the offer of a contract, on the same terms and conditions as their contract with Rangers FC (ia) and rejected it.
“Sevco are not in breach and so have a say in any transfer as they would for any player asking away.”
Sevco was never the player’s employer, so why should they have any rights at all?
The analogy to Bosman is that the players became free agents at the end of a contract – and that’s a contract with Rangers . Is the fact that the contract was ended under TUPE rather than running to its originally stated length significant in terms of transfer fees?
‘Celtic View back on the ball
By: Newsroom Staff on 09 Jul, 2012 17:29
YOUR Celtic View is back brighter than ever this week for its 48th season as the club prepares to celebrate its 125th Anniversary.
And the View will be celebrating the milestone in style as each week we will feature one of the benchmark chapters in the club’s illustrious history and we kick-off this week right at the very beginning by highlighting Celtic’s first ever team.
As part of the feature this week we also step back in time and take a look back at the teams Celtic have played in the league that are now defunct.
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Article continues but this could be interesting:)
HH
EmeraldBee\o/ proud to be an internet bampot on 10 July, 2012 at 10:30 said:
Greenjedi @10.12
The Herald today stated that “Spartans are ready to challenge Rangers newco for a place in the Third Division. The Edinburgh club believe they meet all the criteria for entry to the SFL, including three years of audited accounts which Rangers newco do not possess.”
CAS anyone?
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YA DANCER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dharma Bam
True. But Young Stan’s arse was big in a King Kenny way.
Frank Munro’s was off the scale.
He was only one Fat Arse division down from the fat boy on youtube outside Ibrox shouting about the Big Hoose staying open.
there’s no way BDO/HMRC would sanction of sale of Hun assets for 5.5m if those assets included transfer fees for the players.
Auld Neil Lennon heid
I see what you mean, but I suspect that only works as long as the buying clubs agree. If one goes to court, I think they’d win hands down.
Anyway, doubt that will happen. I think Green and Sevco are a busted flush.
HH
Wrost Celtic full backs?
Step forward Mark McNally and Graeme Sinclair….
totaly confused here.
on one hand, you have the sfa/spl bending over backwards to accommodate sevco, and trying to force that company into the football league.
on the other, they want sanctions to be attached ????? why ?
if the AT tribunal say that what happend was just about as bad as max fixing then surley the penalty for this will either be suspension or expulsion
if the 2 contracts issue is concluded, that will be a dacade of fielding inelegable players. sanctions for this would surley be explusion
are the sfa/spl only going to fine sevco for these crimes ? because that is the only logical conclusion you can draw from them wanting sevco in top flight football
what else do we not know about. what do ‘rangers’ have on the sfa ?
Just over a year ago we were promised a bright new dawn by Stewart Regan ALL the clubs in Scottish football including our friends in Govan gave Regan the unanimous mandate to change the SFA for ever, now Regan and his lame duck president have set back Football in this country by 50 years, we are back to secret meetings and underhand deals behind the scenes, below is a now hollow manifesto promised by McLeish destroyed by Ogilvie and Regan
Henry McLeish’s report advocates revolutionary change for Scottish football
HENRY MCLEISH insists Scottish football will die if the SFA fail to win a vote for revolutionary change at Tuesday’s AGM.
The former First Minister wrote the review of our game that condemned the SFA as being decades out of date.
Next week 93 pro and semi-pro clubs will vote on measures designed to bring the association into the 21st century.
And McLeish fears the game will be history if there’s a ballot box balls-up.
He said: “This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to change Scottish football. The game here is not in good shape.
“If we don’t get these changes through at the AGM, a marvellous opportunity will be lost and it might never come again.
“The SFA are putting forward the most radical package of changes in 138 years of Scottish football history.
“If you have a passion for the game, as our fans do, we simply have to do better in the future.”
The range of proposals up for the vote at Hampden include:
Scrapping the SFA’s unwieldy committee structure.
Rewriting the SFA’s Articles of Association.
Revising disciplinary procedures and forming a new judicial panel.
Slashing the SFA board from 11 to seven members and bringing in an independent member.
McLeish said: “This will take Scotland to a position very few national associations have already arrived at.
“It will bring the trust, confidence, respect and credibility that any organisation dealing with discipline must have for one thing.
“It’s a tidying-up of responsibilities and interests and leaves the SFA board to plan the way forward.
“This is about the leadership of the game and driving Scottish football towards quality, excellence, achievement and success.
“It is a chance for us to take the notion seriously that football really is the Beautiful Game. That is the rich prize.
“There’s a hard-headed reality that Scotland can do much better than they are currently doing.
“If people can’t see that I’m not sure I can explain why they can’t.
“We need to take on the harsh realities of the worst period in Scottish football for many decades and turn it into some of our best years.”
A couple of posts about willie garners debut
As a young bhoy I stood on the old celtic end terraces at that game
It wasn’t uncommon for folks in thiose days to get stretchered around the running track (illnesses or excess bevvy, I assume) Anyway shortly after the unfortunate willie garner scored the second OG a fullah was being stretchered round the track by the ambulancemen
One funny guy quipped “is that willie garners old man?”
Its definitely not the way I tell em csc
enmac – SFA want sactions because they want money from NewHuns.
What concessions will the referee’s have to make next season to ensure that Servco get into the SPL ?
‘The game is up’
The delay is simple…..
Dual contract findings.. If guilty …
Opens the biggest can of worms in European football ….
Never mind the titles etc ….
Cue a influx of legal proceedings regarding lost revenue from clubs relegated etc domestically …
Then the big ones ….
From all the teams knocked out of the champions league etc missing out on millions £
Who is liable ?
Current oldco
Newco?
Or the SFA ?
Just dropped in to say…
Re: The right back comments, particularly the Paul Telfer slight.
Paul Telfer was no Danny McGrain but, is it any coincidence that, when PT left us…Nakamura’s form dipped and, never recovered ? imo.
Hail Hail
away back to lurkin – CSC
Or UEFA?
Is this why Platini is not bringing light into this dirty damp stinking corner of European football?
Auldheid
If the players refuse to accept the transfer of their contracts to Sevco …what interest does Sevco have in them
The players are not contracted to Sevco …..what’s their transfer got to do with them ?
Auldheid
STV Grant followed previous up with
@STVGrant: Answer from FIFA on possible contravention of Statutes by the SFA. In short, they won’t comment but hint A9.2 (Pro/Rel) allows Div 1 entry.
The machinations that the authorities are going through to accomodate Sevco are remarkable. Not only that, but the risk of allowing them in any professional league, given the poor state of their finances and infrastructure is surely is also puzzling. The only logical explanations I can think are that either:
i) The footballing authorities are acting with the full cognizance of the SPL clubs because they genuinely do not see an alternative to the existing business model. The have been forced to do this covertly because of fan reaction.
ii) There is significant political pressure (again, covert) to do this.
iii) Individuals are working to their own agendas to secure personal benefits (financial bonuses etc.)
I think no. (iii) would be difficult if not impossible without the full support of the relevant paymasters. So that might be an additional inducement rather than the primary motivator.
Any thoughts?
jock steins celtic on 10 July, 2012 at 11:01 said:
enmac – SFA want sactions because they want money from NewHuns.
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good luck with that………….they have none
“Having Regan and Doncaster in our team IS two new signings”
Mark Hateley
Beram Kayal Family Video (with English subtitles)
MAGIC
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Paul67
I really like The Charlatons but not his shower of charlatons masquerading as football administrators at the SPL, SFA, and SFL.
It would appear that love of the game is not the key but “Love (of Rangers)is the Key”.
Hail! Hail!
KevJungle – Murdo.. 25yds out…10 men Championees! on 10 July, 2012 at 11:06 said:
Just dropped in to say…
Re: The right back comments, particularly the Paul Telfer slight.
Paul Telfer was no Danny McGrain but, is it any coincidence that, when PT left us…Nakamura’s form dipped and, never recovered ? imo.
Hail Hail
away back to lurkin – CSC
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I would say that Naka’s form dipped about a year or so after Telfer left, strangely coinciding with the ‘absolute necessity’ that a certain team receive CL payments, or as I remember it: open season* on our best players.
*by season, I mean three (seasons)
Indeed my typing and spelling is atrocious
Charlatans it is!
PT ‘ was no Danny McGrain’ – at last something we can agree on ;/)
Did MON not play Lubo as right back in one of his first games?
But wait there’s more…
Vote now and receive a free set of steak knives!!