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We deservedly lost at Ibrox on Saturday, so it would have been inappropriate to apportion any responsibility towards referee John Beaton, for the free reign Newco player Alfredo Morelos had to kick Scott Brown, stamp on Anthony Ralston and assault the genitals of Ryan Christie during the game.

These things occasionally happen in football (although seldom in such quantities) and are picked up by the SFA review process.  What is exceptional about these circumstances is that the review process is unable to act as the referee claims to have witnessed each incident and determined no action was worthy of a caution or more.

Beaton will have mitigated his decisions with some or other explanation, perhaps with “It wasn’t that bad a stamp” type comment.  This is how the process works.  The system is rightly designed to protect referees and allow them latitude to make decisions, including the occasional mistake.

It is not always easy to view common assault for what it is, in fact, it is easy to get carried away with an occasion and raise your threshold for such matters.  It is only human to be affected this way.  But this is bad refereeing.

Beaton could have taken the easy route out and claimed he missed one or more of the incidents, each was off the ball, after all.  That would have allowed the review panel to dispassionately decide if such attacks are to be prohibited, or encouraged, in our game.  Instead, he affirmed that in his view, there was nothing in Morelos behaviour worthy of a caution.

I have no idea what Dedryck Boyata said to earn his red card from John Beaton against St Johnstone earlier this season but I defended the referee’s decision that day.  You have to trust match officials to competently carry out their duties.  Do I still trust John Beaton’s views on kicking players, stamping, genital punching and the like?  No.  His views and significantly out of line with mine.

I don’t see a conspiracy in what happened this week, just a referee who was not up to the job.  A good referee would have cautioned Morelos for the first incident (kick on Brown).  This may have prevented the more serious attacks on Ralston and Christie, but the Newco player was not even spoken to after any of the incidents.

These are not easy games to officiate but this was not a game full of controversy or incident, only one player and one referee lost the plot.

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  1. SFTB Why would anyone who was critical of Paul’s leader but who subsequently welcomed Celtic’s Statement owe anyone an apology.?

  2. Delaneys Dunky on

    Catman

     

    Burke and Bayo are magic signings for Celtic.

     

    Here we go to 8 in arow.

     

    YNWA

  3. Greeninbingley

     

     

    Well aware of that bit of post match footage and his plain talking that day was praised o here. Within 24 hours of making that statement and facing the backlash for it, he was bringing Celtic into the picture and saying they got decisions for the same reason. Whether he believed it or not, is neither here nor there. He chose the safe ground of appealing to fellow neutrals using the “Two Cheeks/Same Erse” analogy.

     

     

    This time he did not have to wait till the next day to remember. After the Hearts vs Rangers match, it was reported?-

     

     

     

    “Craig Levein launched an incredible attack on referee Bobby Madden following Rangers’ 2-1 defeat of his Hearts side which sent the Gers top of the Scottish Premiership.

     

     

    The Tynecastle boss criticised the official’s ‘abysmal’ performance as the visitors were allowed to escape Gorgie with three points thanks to goals from Connor Goldson and Alfredo Morelos.

     

     

    But Levein felt Steven Gerrard’s side should also have seen Morelos walk, insisting the Colombian frontman had overstepped the line during a fiesty running battle with home skipper Christophe Berra.

     

     

    In an astonishing rant, the former Scotland boss said: “I read a quote from Neil Lennon a few weeks ago when they went to Celtic Park and he said that ‘we were playing against 12 men’. That’s how I feel today.

     

     

    “How Morelos stays on the park and gets through that without a booking I’ll never know. Some of the decisions today were abysmal.”

     

     

     

    I will take no lessons from that man.

  4. I would sign Mulgrew as The Corner-Taker..

     

    No other resposibilities. If we’d had Charlie taking corners all season, we’d already have the league wrapped up. ??

  5. SFTB

     

    Fine, I am very often wrong and when I am I have always held my hands up and apologised for it.

     

    From what I understand what you are saying is that Paul actually believes what he wrote today, if you believe that, again fine by me, I don’t in my wildest dreams think he believes that.

  6. So Beaton saw the Morelos ‘incidents’ according to the SFA so they can’t do anything.

     

    Well that doesn’t wash, Madden saw McKenna’s assault on Edouard, in fact he actually stood over him laughing when he was getting treatment, yet McKenna was still banned.

     

    The SFA are clearly at it here but does anyone seriously think the people in charge of our club actually have the testicular fortitude to carry this through?

     

    This sounds more like a sop to our support, similar to the Inverness Cup Semi-Final, than an actual go at the SFA.

     

    The people at our club are sadly lacking in the dark arts of media manipulation.

     

    This season is rapidly turning into a repeat of the Tony Mowbry season

  7. Corkcelt

     

     

    “Why would anyone who was critical of Paul’s leader but who subsequently welcomed Celtic’s Statement owe anyone an apology.?”

     

     

     

    That’s not what I said. I constructed my sentences carefully.

     

     

    My stated view was that “those who were critical of Paul’s leader and who attributed it as having been dictated by PL and then welcomed Celtic’s statement<which WAS endorsed by PL, if not written by him owe Paul an apology.

     

     

    I won’t bate my breath however.

  8. Delaneys Dunky on

    Bateen

     

    Me too for Charlie Mulgrew. That goal fae a corner the other night was magic. Charĺie for Celtic.

     

    YNWA

  9. boondock saint on

    Just a wee bit of information to get away fromthe doom and gloom of Transfers. I was covering an English class today for a colleague and they were watching the movie, Dead Poet’s Society, with Robin Williams, (terrific movie). At one stage there is a piper playing the bagpipes and I swear he is playing the Fields of Athenrye.

     

    Always knew Robin Williams was a tim:)

     

    Hail Hail

     

    Sean

  10. RICHIE #TEAMOSCARFOREVER on 4TH JANUARY 2019 8:55 PM

     

    Maybe there was no “conspiracy” as such, but I don’t agree that its just incompetence. The guy hates Celtic and likes the Huns. It’s that simple, imho.

     

     

    ——-

     

     

    As ever Richie Bhoy nails in one sentence.

     

     

    HH jg

  11. OK SFTB, Unless of course they are suggesting that Celtic only acted in response to the fan’s anger.

     

    Apart from the angst on this blog there was a reaction from the CSA and I can only imagine there were plenty of emails sent to the Club.’

  12. Delaneys Dunky on

    Bòndooķ

     

    Well known fact that Robin Williams is a Tim. Billy Connolly showed him the light.

     

    YNWA

  13. Delaneys Dunky on

    Nally

     

    Would love Victor back home on loan.

     

    Dream in Celtic team.

     

    Wanyama CSC

  14. WITS,

     

     

    A complete clown of a bhoy.

     

     

    Lawwell is infallible.

     

     

    Hopefully yo enjoy wearing your celtic pjs to bed tonite.

     

     

    Your deference to Celtic without a single original thought of your own is the slavish behaviour of the (Celtic) Huns.

     

     

    Unfortunately we have plenty like you in the support who would not be missed if you decided to take up knitting.

  15. GreeninbingleyinOslo on

    SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 4TH JANUARY 2019 9:11 PM

     

     

    I get that you don’t like Craig Levein.

     

     

    Neither do I, which is why I said: “Even the likes of Craig Levein…”

     

     

    The point I was trying to make, clearly unsuccessfully, was that even a spluttering buffoon has hit the mark regarding the corruption and endemic cheating in the Scottish game, while the main victims of it – us – remain silent and supine.

  16. I thought that the point of the compliance officer looking at incidents was to correct the refereeing mistakes.

     

     

    Shows you what I know.

  17. TET

     

     

    I believe Willie Collum is an incompetent ref; a wee man with a wee man’s authoritarian personality, bending over backwards to persuade others who doubt his refereeing impartiality and suspect him of irredeemable Timmish bias. Therefore, he over-compensates.

     

     

    I believe Ian Beaton was an incompetent ref and there is ample proof of it. I saw him watch a St. Johnstone player hold on to a ball that had not gone out of play in his own penalty box and he slowly looked away and said to himself “I don’t want to give that- the laddie has just made a daft mistake- he didn’t attempt to cheat, there was no guile or craft involved.” Games reffed by Beaton always went with a flurry of 2nd half cards because he had let too much go in the first half as he tried to prove himself to the players as a ref who let the physical side thrive and he wanted to keep the game flowing. Then, like a trainee teacher he gradually and remorselessly lost class control.

     

     

    I know nothing of Beaton and little of Madden, though I know enough to have been shocked and disappointed by a CQN article, warmly welcomed by most, which raised the question and loaded innuendo of Madden’s gambling habits and debts on a morning where he was due to ref a Celtic vs Sevco game. Now, hun or not, I still think it was low of us to take that approach and I know it hurt Madden’s family, for what that’s worth.

     

     

    Beaton is by all accounts, and I am prepared to believe it, a sevcoite. How much that affects his reffing approach is between him and his conscience. I have seen him ref matches with us where he has, for example, overlooked hefty Scott Brown tackles, failing to flash yellow when it was merited and flashing yellows when a red was a probability. If he is a cheat, he is not an out-and-out one. Like the best of them his influence is subtle and, consequently, not open to any easy rebuttal.

     

     

    It is notoriously hard for clubs to influence refs as the SFA defends them so much. The last time we tried it, we got a ref’s strike, universal condemnation in the press, and no support from other clubs who stood by their view that 2 big Glasgow clubs get too may unjustified favourable decisions so they should just shut up when one goes against them. That’s why the statement approach is a difficult road and why we laugh at Huns for their statement-itis.

     

     

    John Beaton and Clare Whyte gave us an open goal here with their admission that he seen everything and deemed it not worthy. That’s why I expected a Celtic statement and did not react to Paul’s Leader, apart from being appalled st the ingratitude displayed by us. His leaders all deserve examination, criticism and disagreement at times. They do not deserve the accusations that were made today which were OTT and unworthy of the better side of us.

     

     

    By all means, go to war with the SFA and SPFL and Ref handlers, but choose your ground.

     

     

    I would have preferred it to be the Res. 12 ground and the OBaF grounds that were contested vigorously but, if it has to be refs performances. let’s be pointed and accurate. The rest of Scottish football is not going to side with us unless our ground is watertight.

     

     

    I fear it may not be; I fear the wriggle room for some refs to subtly cheat or subtly be influenced will always be there. Refs have always been suspect; they are a necessary part of any game but they have never been respected because we are partial fans and they will never match our partiality, hence why Sevco fans believe with as much passion as we do, that refs have it in for them.

     

     

    Beaton may be part of a conspiracy but he may (note the conditional tense) just be conspiring to protect his own reputation which is a different proposition to it being a clear case of anti-Celtic bias.

     

     

    I fear the club’s statement will drown in the mud around that very point.

     

     

    But then what would you expect form a Board-loving, expectation managing, happyclapping, back of the bus, forelock tugging, prawn sandwich loving guy who drank in The same pub as John Beaton.

  18. Maybe just maybe the celtic CEO wanted to do the right diligence and discuss with manager and legals and other board members before going public on this issue.

     

     

    Maybe he was busy trying to get a few targets over the line or off load a few others. Maybe listening to a few ‘old women’ with chronic entitlement complexes isn’t so high on his agenda ?

     

     

    Maybe a well run organisation which is going through historic dominance in its market might just know how to respond to being blatantly disadvantaged in such an obvious way. This is dougie gate part two. Important we don’t miss the target. I don’t think we will.

  19. Should be an interesting few weeks, what with all the debates about signings etc… Dont like loans per say but if option to buy is added it becomes no brainer.

     

     

    You Would think that the number of players coming ti end of their contracts with us Would give us some flexibility and scope to change the shape of the team.

     

     

    Would be delighted if we could get a Rightback, Centreback and Forward this window. Dont think winger is essential.

     

    Gk and another Centreback in the summer.

     

     

    I will come of my happy clapper chair if this does not come to pass.

  20. For the first time tonight, I was going to post with a critical post re. Paul67 post, which I had not read until this evening. I received a post from Rome from a nephew of Monisgnor Gerard McKay who was buried today in the Scots College in Rome, May he rest in Peace. He signed out at 5.01pm by saying read Celtic FC Press release. I met him through CQN.

     

     

    I felt the need to to reponse to express my displeasure at Paul67’s story, but knowing Celtic had released a statement, I went through all comments and many who had full support for Paul felt posted similar t what I would have posted expressing disapppintment re. his statement, it did not stack up with “it is nor lazy journailsm” reporting.

     

     

    I think it is possible, that Paul put himself out on a limb to show the feelings of 99% of Celtic CQN supporters to ensure a response from Celtic PLC. Others have put forward ther strategies on why he did this.

     

     

    My own belief on game was SFA appointed officials that would ensure that the best opportunity to get a result for the new team with the stadium full of the one support. In hindsight, it would have been a wonderful opportunity to the world, to ask questions why only supporters of home team present, if no Celtic fans went to the game (Celtic encouraged them not to). This allowed all the officials to agree that no one would be booked in the game to allow some of the heavy treatment to be given out to stop the skillful players. Morelos wasn’t expected to be so off the wall, but who was going to flag him or blow the whistle. Then in a game like this near the end it was easy to show yellow cards to Celtic players to show the instigators.

     

     

    Turkybhoy, I have to agree with most of your posts and you don’t spare those so called bhoys??? who have a go at Paul and CelticFC. I am glad I don’t sit beside them. KTH CATHACH

  21. Corkcelt @9.30

     

     

    I think I covered this in my replies to TET.

     

     

    I don’t swallow the story that the club was merely reactive (though I always hope they would respond wisely and courteously to fans concerns) and that they would always be in a process of dialogue within the club and with football agencies (SFA, SPFL and UEFA) re matters of import.

     

     

    But, if they had used Paul’s blog to test the water, when the dogs in the street knew the state of the water, then I’d happily see the lot of them sacked as incompetent. know-nothings.

     

     

    This statement was coming, once they’d had a chance to meet and agree a response to Beaton and Whyte’s bizarre defence of non-action. The idea that it took a few heated comments on CQN to alert them to concerns defies belief. They would all have to be as out of touch as Ian Bankier, for that to be true.

     

     

    Paul67 or someone wrote the words of today’s blog which offended. That blog was not dictated by PL. It is just a lot of fluff in the end and another sign that we are all a little overtired and still hurting from our defeat by Sevco last week. A defeat that we deserved despite our concerns about Beaton.

  22. I see that Beatons mobile number is going around on social media and that he has called in police.

     

     

    D. :)

  23. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    DELANEYS DUNKY on 4TH JANUARY 2019 9:41 PM

     

    MacJay

     

     

     

     

    He is a Tim like me and you.

     

     

     

     

    His name is Charlie Mulgrew.

     

     

     

     

    Love him.

     

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    Agreed.

     

     

    I was surprised and disappointed when he left or was pushed out.

  24. Boondock Saint- a pals son had a movie props company late 80s early 90s,he worked on a Robin Williams movie.Pat was always in early ,6am ,to set stuff up,RW walked past one morning ,said to Pat ‘i love your hat…’,Pat told him to keep it.Every day left of the shoot Robin Williams brought him in a new hat,what a great man RW,sad ending

  25. mike in toronto on

    WITS@10:05

     

     

    “If I was Peter Lawwell…”

     

     

    You’re not?!

     

     

    Cant believe a word that Almore says, obviously.

     

     

    :)

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